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Well, philosophy is a fucked up area of study and mostly stupid imo. Stupid made up situations played out like a kids game.
Ok. If you say so.

Does not change the FACT that most people, in the situation where a maniac driver almost kills them and carries on down the road threatening others hearing their significant partner say 'geez that person is going to kill themselves or WORSE someone innocent', would not think that statement is extreme and it is the same sentiment i express in the OP.
 
So in your analogy, the maniac driving is akin to a person who didn’t take an experimental medical product known to cause injuries? Not just experimental, but created by companies who have been sued for unethical and illegal practices, and which have been determined by respected independent review to have largely inadequate long term safety data?

I’d say your analogy works better the other way around… the speeding maniac is akin to the one sticking kids with vaccines that are poorly tested and known to cause harm.
They are akin to the one deliberately not taking the PROVEN and EFFECTIVE measles vaccine making 'Measles death great again in deep red States'.
 
Some people are like that, yes. And some people have a bad faith premise/framing or a spring loaded hypothetical which eliminates any semblance of neutrality or presumed attempt to test logic.
Agreed. which is why i stick to correct and succinct analogies as i have.
 
Ok. If you say so.

Does not change the FACT that most people, in the situation where a maniac driver almost kills them and carries on down the road threatening others hearing their significant partner say 'geez that person is going to kill themselves or WORSE someone innocent', would not think that statement is extreme and it is the same sentiment i express in the OP.

Didn’t you say kids needed to die from being unvaccinated or am I misremembering that? Because that’s what I thought you said and why I reacted as such. And people that endlessly spout off about philosophy-like those that really talk about argument and debating philosophy are annoying. Not saying that you are, but when people start spouting about ad hominem and etc. as for your scenario, of course everyone would rather see the maniac killed over someone innocent. I don’t mind when they wreck and fuck their cars up or get pulled over but I don’t want to see anyone die over it. I am absolutely not an anti-vaxxer and I do think they are foolish, but I also understand why some people are hesitant to take some vaccines. Covid being the #1 example. It was cranked out very quickly and very much profitable which makes me believe that the companies wouldn’t be quick to report on side effects
 
Didn’t you say kids needed to die from being unvaccinated or am I misremembering that? Because that’s what I thought you said and why I reacted as such. And people that endlessly spout off about philosophy-like those that really talk about argument and debating philosophy are annoying. Not saying that you are, but when people start spouting about ad hominem and etc. as for your scenario, of course everyone would rather see the maniac killed over someone innocent. I don’t mind when they wreck and fuck their cars up or get pulled over but I don’t want to see anyone die over it. I am absolutely not an anti-vaxxer and I do think they are foolish, but I also understand why some people are hesitant to take some vaccines. Covid being the #1 example. It was cranked out very quickly and very much profitable which makes me believe that the companies wouldn’t be quick to report on side effects
you are misremembering.

In a University setting the question might be posed this way:

- Person X, due to poor choices, negligence and and defiance, is putting themselves and others at risk. You and your spouse recognize Person X is on a path where they will die or kill others or both.

Your spouse says 'that is terrible, Person X will kill themselves or worse kill some innocent person'.


That is both the 'maniac driver' example and ALSO what i said in the OP.

In both the distinction you are missing is that it is saying 'it is worse if the innocent person dies as a result of the negligent person than if the negligent person dies'.
 

Deaths predicted amid the chaos of Elondolph Musk’s shutdown of USAid​

The impact of the billionaire’s declaration has been swift and brutal, with food and crucial drugs abandoned in warehouses, vital programmes closed and workers laid off

Mark Townsend, Karen McVeigh, Charles Pensulo in Lilongwe, Caroline Kimeu in Nairobi and Luke Taylor in Bogota

Critical supplies of life-saving medicines have been blocked and children left without food and battling malnutrition as multiple effects were reported across the globe after Elon Musk resolved to shut down the US government’s pre-eminent international aid agency.

Chaotic scenes were seen in scores of countries as aid organisations warned of the risk of escalating disease and famine along with disastrous repercussions in areas such as family planning and girls’ education, after President Donald Trump’s decision to freeze funding to USAid. In 2023, the agency managed more than $40bn (£32bn).

Countless aid organisations have already been forced to close down or lay off staff.

Analysis confirms that several thousand women and girls are likely to die from complications during pregnancy and childbirth as a direct result of Trump’s order to freeze aid to the agency for 90 days.

Trump has tasked the billionaire Musk – who has falsely accused USAid of being a “criminal” organisation – with scaling down the US government’s lead agency for humanitarian assistance.


The impact on the global aid sector has been profound and immediate. US foreign aid accounts for four out of every $10 spent globally on humanitarian aid.

One former senior USAid official described Musk’s crackdown as an “extinction-level event” for the international humanitarian sector.

The initial repercussions include the abandonment in warehouses of supplies of crucial drugs in Sudan, the site of what is currently the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, as well as in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), where recent fighting in the east has further destabilised the fragile region.

Across Africa, hundreds of thousands of children who rely on school meals have been left without sustenance after food was left to rot in the wake of Musk’s declaration that he wanted the US aid agency to “die”.

“Partners on the ground [are saying] that in DRC and Sudan, medical supplies are stuck in warehouses,” said a spokesperson for a leading international aid organisation.

Like many aid workers the Guardian interviewed, the spokesperson requested anonymity, amid claims that officials from the Trump administration have put pressure on those in the humanitarian sector not to speak out. Many were also reluctant to talk on the record over fears of future funding,

Among the projects already forced to close is a girls’ education project in Nepal, raising the risk of a rise in child marriage and trafficking.

“All payments are frozen for these projects. There’s a lot of misinformation. Organisations are having to make decisions in a vacuum,” said one humanitarian official.

In Bangladesh, the International Centre for Diarrhoeal Disease Research, which coordinates pioneering research into one of the most prolific killers of children, has laid off some of the world’s most respected scientists working on malaria programmes.

In Africa, malaria-control programmes in Uganda have been forced to adopt equally draconian measures with reports that dozens of vital projects for frontline care have been closed.

Farther south in Malawi, where many rely on donor-funded programmes for survival, fears are mounting that the aid freeze could redraw the country’s entire economy.

Within farming communities – the backbone of Malawi’s economy – Mike Dansa, chair of the Nsanje Civil Society Organisation, warned it could upend agricultural aid programmes that support smallholders with improved seeds, irrigation and climate-resilience projects, threatening food security in a country reeling from extreme weather events.

In Johannesburg, projects that have relied for more than 20 years on funding from the US HIV/Aids response programme, known as Pepfar, have had to lock their doors.

Dawie Nel, director of a Johannesburg LGBTQ+ clinic called Out, said his organisation, which looks after 6,000 clients, had suspended its treatment. “The US is a totally unreliable partner,” he said.

Across the Atlantic, similar scenes of chaos were playing out. In Colombia, which has been plagued by six decades of internal conflict and drug-related violence, large numbers of organisations rely on USAid funding.

Programmes providing emergency relief to families fleeing violence between armed groups and encouraging farmers to swap coca – the base ingredient of cocaine – for legal alternatives have ceased operating.

Colombia’s former president and Nobel peace prize laureate, Juan Manuel Santos, told the Guardian: “I have seen the massive benefit these programmes funded by USAid have generated for people across the country. To cut it, suddenly, is going to have a terrible humanitarian effect.”

Elsewhere, the director of a major international aid organisation in Colombia – who also requested anonymity – feared the impact on those who most needed help. “The people who this is going to affect the most are those already without a safety net. Precisely those who are least able to find another source of food, shelter or income,” they said.

However, some have argued that the disruption has exposed the fragility of development programmes that are reliant on external aid.

The former Kenyan president Uhuru Kenyatta urged African countries to view the aid freeze as a “wake-up call” for the continent to prioritise its own development.

“Nobody is going to continue holding out a hand to give you. It is time for us to use our resources for the right things,” he said.

Most, though, are adamant that the intention of Trump and Musk – who heads an unofficial cost-cutting agency – to close USAid is disastrous.

“Without naming countries or areas, we have had to close life-saving services, for children with acute malnutrition, and also testing and treatment sites for health facilities, nutrition facilities and wash facilities,” said one aid worker.

Jeremy Konyndyk, president of Refugees International and a former official at USAid, described Musk’s wish to close the agency as posing an existential threat to the humanitarian sector.

“If this goes forward, it really is an extinction-level event for the global aid sector in the US and for much of the global relief and development sector around the world.”

Konyndyk added that it would also “destabilise” budgets of many large aid and United Nations organisations around the world. “It threatens really the collapse not just of what USAid does, but of this huge ecosystem of relief and development organisations that are doing good around the world every day,” he said.

Research from the Guttmacher Institute underlined such warnings, revealing that 11.7 million women and girls will be denied access to contraceptive care over the course of the 90-day aid freeze, which they predict means 8,340 women and girls would die from complications during pregnancy and childbirth.

Elsewhere, concern over the fate of the humanitarian sector was laid bare in a survey of 342 international development organisations, which concluded that without US funding, more than half were likely to close before May.

Attempts by the US government to soften the impact of its freeze by unveiling a waiver for projects offering “life-saving assistance” appears to have done little except prompt further confusion.

“Is Plumpy’Nut [a paste used to feed severely malnourished children] life-saving? Is a vaccine life-saving? What is a life-saving part of a project? What qualifies under the waiver?” an aid worker asked.

A “global aid freeze” tracker has been set up to look at the collective impact of the orders, inviting civil society organisations to input data.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...mid-the-chaos-of-elon-musks-shutdown-of-usaid
 
@Andy Capp @Sinister - Several people that avoided taking the covax, because they thought was a mass extinction project, are watching a real extinction program unfould in front of their eyes!
 

Deaths predicted amid the chaos of Elondolph Musk’s shutdown of USAid​

The impact of the billionaire’s declaration has been swift and brutal, with food and crucial drugs abandoned in warehouses, vital programmes closed and workers laid off

Mark Townsend, Karen McVeigh, Charles Pensulo in Lilongwe, Caroline Kimeu in Nairobi and Luke Taylor in Bogota

Critical supplies of life-saving medicines have been blocked and children left without food and battling malnutrition as multiple effects were reported across the globe after Elon Musk resolved to shut down the US government’s pre-eminent international aid agency.

Chaotic scenes were seen in scores of countries as aid organisations warned of the risk of escalating disease and famine along with disastrous repercussions in areas such as family planning and girls’ education, after President Donald Trump’s decision to freeze funding to USAid. In 2023, the agency managed more than $40bn (£32bn).

Countless aid organisations have already been forced to close down or lay off staff.

Analysis confirms that several thousand women and girls are likely to die from complications during pregnancy and childbirth as a direct result of Trump’s order to freeze aid to the agency for 90 days.

Trump has tasked the billionaire Musk – who has falsely accused USAid of being a “criminal” organisation – with scaling down the US government’s lead agency for humanitarian assistance.


The impact on the global aid sector has been profound and immediate. US foreign aid accounts for four out of every $10 spent globally on humanitarian aid.

One former senior USAid official described Musk’s crackdown as an “extinction-level event” for the international humanitarian sector.

The initial repercussions include the abandonment in warehouses of supplies of crucial drugs in Sudan, the site of what is currently the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, as well as in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), where recent fighting in the east has further destabilised the fragile region.

Across Africa, hundreds of thousands of children who rely on school meals have been left without sustenance after food was left to rot in the wake of Musk’s declaration that he wanted the US aid agency to “die”.

“Partners on the ground [are saying] that in DRC and Sudan, medical supplies are stuck in warehouses,” said a spokesperson for a leading international aid organisation.

Like many aid workers the Guardian interviewed, the spokesperson requested anonymity, amid claims that officials from the Trump administration have put pressure on those in the humanitarian sector not to speak out. Many were also reluctant to talk on the record over fears of future funding,

Among the projects already forced to close is a girls’ education project in Nepal, raising the risk of a rise in child marriage and trafficking.

“All payments are frozen for these projects. There’s a lot of misinformation. Organisations are having to make decisions in a vacuum,” said one humanitarian official.

In Bangladesh, the International Centre for Diarrhoeal Disease Research, which coordinates pioneering research into one of the most prolific killers of children, has laid off some of the world’s most respected scientists working on malaria programmes.

In Africa, malaria-control programmes in Uganda have been forced to adopt equally draconian measures with reports that dozens of vital projects for frontline care have been closed.

Farther south in Malawi, where many rely on donor-funded programmes for survival, fears are mounting that the aid freeze could redraw the country’s entire economy.

Within farming communities – the backbone of Malawi’s economy – Mike Dansa, chair of the Nsanje Civil Society Organisation, warned it could upend agricultural aid programmes that support smallholders with improved seeds, irrigation and climate-resilience projects, threatening food security in a country reeling from extreme weather events.

In Johannesburg, projects that have relied for more than 20 years on funding from the US HIV/Aids response programme, known as Pepfar, have had to lock their doors.

Dawie Nel, director of a Johannesburg LGBTQ+ clinic called Out, said his organisation, which looks after 6,000 clients, had suspended its treatment. “The US is a totally unreliable partner,” he said.

Across the Atlantic, similar scenes of chaos were playing out. In Colombia, which has been plagued by six decades of internal conflict and drug-related violence, large numbers of organisations rely on USAid funding.

Programmes providing emergency relief to families fleeing violence between armed groups and encouraging farmers to swap coca – the base ingredient of cocaine – for legal alternatives have ceased operating.

Colombia’s former president and Nobel peace prize laureate, Juan Manuel Santos, told the Guardian: “I have seen the massive benefit these programmes funded by USAid have generated for people across the country. To cut it, suddenly, is going to have a terrible humanitarian effect.”

Elsewhere, the director of a major international aid organisation in Colombia – who also requested anonymity – feared the impact on those who most needed help. “The people who this is going to affect the most are those already without a safety net. Precisely those who are least able to find another source of food, shelter or income,” they said.

However, some have argued that the disruption has exposed the fragility of development programmes that are reliant on external aid.

The former Kenyan president Uhuru Kenyatta urged African countries to view the aid freeze as a “wake-up call” for the continent to prioritise its own development.

“Nobody is going to continue holding out a hand to give you. It is time for us to use our resources for the right things,” he said.

Most, though, are adamant that the intention of Trump and Musk – who heads an unofficial cost-cutting agency – to close USAid is disastrous.

“Without naming countries or areas, we have had to close life-saving services, for children with acute malnutrition, and also testing and treatment sites for health facilities, nutrition facilities and wash facilities,” said one aid worker.

Jeremy Konyndyk, president of Refugees International and a former official at USAid, described Musk’s wish to close the agency as posing an existential threat to the humanitarian sector.

“If this goes forward, it really is an extinction-level event for the global aid sector in the US and for much of the global relief and development sector around the world.”

Konyndyk added that it would also “destabilise” budgets of many large aid and United Nations organisations around the world. “It threatens really the collapse not just of what USAid does, but of this huge ecosystem of relief and development organisations that are doing good around the world every day,” he said.

Research from the Guttmacher Institute underlined such warnings, revealing that 11.7 million women and girls will be denied access to contraceptive care over the course of the 90-day aid freeze, which they predict means 8,340 women and girls would die from complications during pregnancy and childbirth.

Elsewhere, concern over the fate of the humanitarian sector was laid bare in a survey of 342 international development organisations, which concluded that without US funding, more than half were likely to close before May.

Attempts by the US government to soften the impact of its freeze by unveiling a waiver for projects offering “life-saving assistance” appears to have done little except prompt further confusion.

“Is Plumpy’Nut [a paste used to feed severely malnourished children] life-saving? Is a vaccine life-saving? What is a life-saving part of a project? What qualifies under the waiver?” an aid worker asked.

A “global aid freeze” tracker has been set up to look at the collective impact of the orders, inviting civil society organisations to input data.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...mid-the-chaos-of-elon-musks-shutdown-of-usaid
An NGO that benefits from USAID claims there will be deaths unless the US continues fund birth control in bumblefuck?
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in today's magat world any single post written by any grifter or agitator is all the proof they need and asking that person to substantiate their claim with links to any data or facts is not only not necessary but not even desired.

Sad but predictable and why Trump fell in love with the poorly educated.
 
Children aren't political. They have nothing to do with any of this and noone would wish them dead. Just you bud. Anyway, childhood vaccine deniers are on the left not the right. It was the whole autism argument etc. Do you not live in the states? That is pretty common knowledge
No they are not. Which is why Trump using that kid with cancer as a prop in his sotu talk was pretty gross. And vaccine deniers are on both sides. It’s been maga republicans who’ve been supporting the denial with actions like demonizing of Fauci and the appointing of RFK.

U.S. withdrawal from WHO will bring tragedy at home and abroad​

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c391j738rm3o.amp
 
in today's magat world any single post written by any grifter or agitator is all the proof they need and asking that person to substantiate their claim with links to any data or facts is not only not necessary but not even desired.

Sad but predictable and why Trump fell in love with the poorly educated.
A banned account coming back to get banned again? lol.

No more credible then your sources.

Specific medical details about the child’s cause of death remain unclear, fueling debate and misinformation
 
No.

You are confusing what Magat Media told you with reality.

The REALITY was Biden and other said from the start they would gladly take the new vaccine as long as the messaging came from the top CDC officials but not just Trump, should he chose to muzzle them and speak about the new vaccine efficacy. As Trump lies about anything that does not serve him that is what any sane person would do.

At no point, as the vaccines were completed and the CDC officials endorsed them, did Biden or any prominent people on the left, in politics, speak out against them.

Trump's double speak on the covid issue, its dangers and the need for vaccines, conflicting with his desire to say 'look how great i am in getting Project Warp Speed to a successful conclusion', has until today, created great conflict amongst his magats, between those trained to clap like seals for everything Trump says and those who became deep vaccine skeptics, also based largely on what he was saying.
Just because you make this imaginary story of what happened doesnt make it true. Most of us were alive in real time when this happened.
 
No they are not. Which is why Trump using that kid with cancer as a prop in his sotu talk was pretty gross. And vaccine deniers are on both sides. It’s been maga republicans who’ve been supporting the denial with actions like demonizing of Fauci and the appointing of RFK.

U.S. withdrawal from WHO will bring tragedy at home and abroad​

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c391j738rm3o.amp
Childhood vaccines are almost exclusively a left leaning group that don't vaccinate their kids. Yes all of the vaccine deniers in terms of covid were on the right. People that like Trump will say he did a good thing for the boy and people that don't like Trump will say it's pure politics. At the end of the day brain cancer is no joke. Any adult form is pretty much a death sentence. I didn't study brain cancer in children so it may be a more mild form but likely this kid is done eventually. If he enjoys himself a little bit I could care less.
 
Lets use this thread to track the mounting deaths that will be directly attributable to the actions and choices of Trump and his Cabinet and Administration.

Lets start with this directly attributable to the vaccine rejections we now see mostly in Deep red areas of the country making these, all but abolished diseases 'Great Again'...

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InB4 - but there was measles outbreaks prior so this is a nothing burger - Fact Check FALSE. The growing number of outbreaks and rising deaths is directly attributable to the anti vax movement, and one of its key leaders, Robert Kennedy, resulting in the 'poorly educated', rejecting vaccinating their kids, while Kennedy ensures his kids are vaccinated.

I mean... with the exception of the Covid Vax, anti-vax sentiment has always been as much a leftie thing as a righty thing.

There's a whole host of essential oil pushing, healing crystal loving, homeopathy believing, chiropractic promoting, Democrat voting, anti-vaxers out there.
 
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