International Trump admin - Sure, bring your lions back.....

Well good on you on being selfless as the next hunter in the next blind will be happy to take that bigger better deer when it continues down the line.

As i said, I don't hate on hunters who eat what they kill. They are better then us grocery store dwellers, myself included, even when we try to buy local and avoid factory farming. But the way we humans hunt DOES hurt long term health of the populations as the healthiest strongest animals are the prized kill and thx to technology we are the only predator to cause regression in evolution. And it has happened and is happening now.
I agree with the top part at least. I only have about 30 acres, which makes actually managing the herd basically impossible. I would need a couple thousand probably to negate what other hunters do. I'm not really sure why someone would wish to hunt a lion unless it was terrorizing the locals or something. I stick to Whitetails and feral hogs, which I skin and eat.
 
I think you should take a nap. Speaking of America? You okay over there?

People on the pro hunt anywhere side are speaking of how they help conservation on white tail and what not, which has nothing to do with the importation of endangered animals into the US, which is what the thread is about..........
 
Your contributions to the entire forum is usually dogshit posts and crying about things you don't understand. The OP threw hunters and poachers under the same umbrella, which is bullshit. You wouldn't understand why I'd be annoyed by that, because you don't understand the topic of hunting, and neither does @hillelslovak87. Don't shit post and I won't call out your shit posts. You're loyalty is admirable, but I'm gonna have to ask you to fuck off again.

I'll clear up the joke in the OP, which I thought was obvious enough to be understood by a four year old, but alas. I didn't lump hunters and poachers together, I called the pieces of abject shit who kill endangered animals in canned hunts poachers, as I see little to no difference between them and those who don't pay some corrupt official for the privilege. There is a HUGE gap between normal hunters, say, in the USA, hunting grouse and whitetail, and some cunt doctor mowing down a rhino for fun.

If that's too complicated a sentiment, I'm sure I could simplify it even more.
 
Monetize animals in order to incentivize people to protect a commodity.

Outlaw trophy hunting and witness extinction of "charismatic mega fauna" as they're no longer protected from the hungry and the greedy.

Pick one, donate funds on the scale of trophy hunters, or shut the fuck up. Reality sucks and your sense of morality and outrage won't produce the same results in 3rd world countries as those you condemn. Welcome to the world outside of your cozy bubble. Life is cheap and the four legged variety doesn't merit consideration in places where hunger is a real thing.
 
I'll clear up the joke in the OP, which I thought was obvious enough to be understood by a four year old, but alas. I didn't lump hunters and poachers together, I called the pieces of abject shit who kill endangered animals in canned hunts poachers, as I see little to no difference between them and those who don't pay some corrupt official for the privilege. There is a HUGE gap between normal hunters, say, in the USA, hunting grouse and whitetail, and some cunt doctor mowing down a rhino for fun.

If that's too complicated a sentiment, I'm sure I could simplify it even more.
I didn't really want a reply. Just wanted to point out that you were being disingenuous, but you seem to realize that already. Have a good one!
 
I didn't really want a reply. Just wanted to point out that you were being disingenuous, but you seem to realize that already. Have a good one!

Good job inaccurately reading and disseminating a point.......
 
People on the pro hunt anywhere side are speaking of how they help conservation on white tail and what not, which has nothing to do with the importation of endangered animals into the US, which is what the thread is about..........

I disagree. There was a point in this country when whitetail were endangered, and licensed hunting played a role in the conservation efforts which brought it back from the brink. As long as the hunting of endangered species are being done legitimately in that vein then I don't see a problem with bringing them back as trophies.

http://www.rmef.org/conservation/huntingisconservation/25reasonswhyhuntingisconservation.aspx

 
Damn. You can’t even bring back cheese or meat from other countries, but they want people to bring back lions?
 
I disagree. There was a point in this country when whitetail were endangered, and licensed hunting played a role in the conservation efforts which brought it back from the brink. As long as the hunting of endangered species are being done legitimately in that vein then I don't see a problem with bringing them back as trophies.

http://www.rmef.org/conservation/huntingisconservation/25reasonswhyhuntingisconservation.aspx



These African countries are in dire financial straights. This leads to systemic corruption. Further that with the lack of checks and balances, and the situation in America is nowhere approaching pertinence.

Here is a Nat Geo article on elephant hunting and how the "conservation" isn't really helping like it's proponents say it is. Furthermore, the study that the article cites is also available.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...ng-elephants-tusks-poaching-zimbabwe-namibia/

https://portals.iucn.org/library/sites/library/files/documents/2009-074-En.pdf
 
I've laid out the case why Trophy Hunting deserves some scorn.

Hunting for great imo but the problem with Trophy Hunting is the 'Trophy' part.

Mankind with its technology aided hunts and high tech weaponry have taken any and all sport out of it.

Drones used to do the tracking, and improvement in guns make it simply a 'kill' and not a 'hunt' and calling it hunting for those type of trophy hunts is becoming perverse. Seriously just catch the animals in cages and let a 'Trophy Hunter' walk up and shoot it instead of playing the game that they big bad skilled hunters.

But the bigger problem is how bad mankind is for healthy animal populations.

Trophy hunters like to claim they are good for conservation when in fact they make entire species weaker and more sickly and regress evolution wise.

Man is the only alpha hunter that targets the healthiest in any herd or pack and picks them off instead of targeting the weakest. That flips evolution on its head where the best adaption to survive is being the weaker more sickly looking one and that is exactly what we see happening in areas where Trophy hunters are common.

I have friends who hunt and they lament the lack of top quality, point scoring Bucks now compared to a few decades ago. They seem oblivious to their role in that.

You kind of create a Strawman about the "ideal" weak-man trophy hunt.

- Drones (You could add feeders to lure in animals sometimes) et al.

If you do not like that, fine, I do not either, but going out in the bush and tracking the animals is not a simple task by any means, and I get the feeling you have never done so, nor have most of the writers outright condemning the actions. If one wants to cut out drones, or certainly something like feeders, absolutely, but painting all hunters-we-don't-like in those terms is not accurate.

As well the "guns and ammo," have not advanced into super futuristic weapons. The smokeless powder bullet technology and many of the cartridges used by Hemingway are largely in place today. The ones that are not, were fitted for different animals. It is simply not true.

Poachers might bring down an elephant with a volley of AK47 fire (a very old rifle, btw,) but legal hunters are not going that route.

Further, if they were using laser cannons? Your argument is, "I don't like the feeling!" it gives you, when zapping an animal dead is probably better than a slow, arduous death in the wilds.

Additionally you make a kind of "Appeal to Evolution," when Evolution is nothing like a moral system, beyond awful Eugenic and post-Humanist fascist thought experiments.

Luckily, as Darwinian naturalism is a harsh god, what with dying of parasites, disemboweling by rival predators, broken jawbones starving us, or an number of diseases wasting us to nothing.

"I don't like the culture of big game hunting!" as an argument, is not really more humane than a bullet vs. dying of infection eating away the body, "Snows of Kilimanjaro" style.
 
You kind of create a Strawman about the "ideal" weak-man trophy hunt.

- Drones (You could add feeders to lure in animals sometimes) et al.

If you do not like that, fine, I do not either, but going out in the bush and tracking the animals is not a simple task by any means, and I get the feeling you have never done so, nor have most of the writers outright condemning the actions. If one wants to cut out drones, or certainly something like feeders, absolutely, but painting all hunters-we-don't-like in those terms is not accurate.

As well the "guns and ammo," have not advanced into super futuristic weapons. The smokeless powder bullet technology and many of the cartridges used by Hemingway are largely in place today. The ones that are not, were fitted for different animals. It is simply not true.

Poachers might bring down an elephant with a volley of AK47 fire (a very old rifle, btw,) but legal hunters are not going that route.

Further, if they were using laser cannons? Your argument is, "I don't like the feeling!" it gives you, when zapping an animal dead is probably better than a slow, arduous death in the wilds.

Additionally you make a kind of "Appeal to Evolution," when Evolution is nothing like a moral system, beyond awful Eugenic and post-Humanist fascist thought experiments.

Luckily, as Darwinian naturalism is a harsh god, what with dying of parasites, disemboweling by rival predators, broken jawbones starving us, or an number of diseases wasting us to nothing.

"I don't like the culture of big game hunting!" as an argument, is not really more humane than a bullet vs. dying of infection eating away the body, "Snows of Kilimanjaro" style.
a lot of nonsense in this post which appears to just be an attempt to reply to everything even when the reply makes no sense. Sorry.
 
How bout this I know this is a radical idea, how about instead of enabling the fuckers we kill THEM instead so they don't keep feeling empowered to do crime?
You sound like a limp-wristed lefty Good luck killing a big game hunter
 
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