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Could you please explain in more details how this 'shoulder pop' thing work?
Watch the video in the first post of the thread, when Hamed hits the heavy bag, watch his shoulders.
Could you please explain in more details how this 'shoulder pop' thing work?
Also, King...earlier you mentioned that Hamed's balance was garbage. As I look at this highlight video, it almost looks like he's KO-ing some guys by falling into them as he punches.
King Kabuki said:Watch the video in the first post of the thread, when Hamed hits the heavy bag, watch his shoulders.
Hmm, I still I'm not totally sure about what it's all about... can't see much in the video, due to the speed and his shirt covering the shoulders. The only thing that comes closes to what could be described as a shoulder pop, is a short clip that I saw of him doing shadow boxing (not in the highlight)... Can you describe in words what a shoulder pop is?
On a side note, I heard that Hamed used to use a rowing machine for his 'cardio' rather than doing road work, and that is said to have built his V-shape torso and helped increase his punching power.
Gmaniac said:I think a more appropriate analogy that would better express King's view would be attempting to train a man with average running speed to run a 4.3 40yd. dash, or sub 10 sec 100meters. Sprinting, not unlike punching, is effectively a combination of explosiveness, power, strength, stability, accuracy, timing, and speed. Sprint speed also happens to be heavily reliant on fast twitch muscle fibers. However, no amount of weight training, plyometrics, resistance running, drills, exercizes, conditioning, etc. will replace genetics or natural talent.
Can you improve your sprint speed and times? Yes. However, the average guy could train optimally since the day he was capable of running 40 yards, and still not run anywhere near that fast. I don't care if you were the Strength shoe everyday-all day, you're not going to run like Maurice Green or jump like Spud Webb unless you're born with it (the ability, not the shoe). There are elements of genetics and body composition that seperate those capable of running that fast, or for the sake of this argument, punching that hard that are just not trainable.
HungryTiger said:This is the famous documentary "Little Prince, Big Fight" made by british television on Naseem's preparation for the Barrera fight! It's an hour long, but worth every minute of it!! I'm a huge Naz fan but by the end of the documentary even I wanted to see him lose...
http://www.sendspace.com/file/hritbg
(lol at the sparring session, Naseem is all over the place!)
Im not going to get into a knockout power discussion anymore, but I would just like to say that I was never a fan of Hameds......I dont like the hit and run away kind of style, and I dont like his attitude.
Maximal and ballistic lift combined.peregrine said:another power building exercise imho is
banded db bench with a twist
incline ones as well
you can find the bands at elitefts.com and other places. i prefer to wrap the bands around my upper back then loop them to each thumb as i grab a db in each hand and go at it. this is great for bulding STARTING STRENGTH. i use a weight that is about 60% of my normal workweight. focusing on the blast off from the bottom. the twist adds the shoulder much more but is more in line with a punch.
note weights used and periodization is highly important with this tool. i would use for 6sessions or less then rotate. also consider 1-3reps with near maximal weight OR 1-3reps with very light weight. they serve differing purposes, starting strength, vs linking strength gains to power.
i am also beginning to question whether moves such as chain or supported push ups and handstand pushups have great merit for developing ko power as well as static holds(isometric)
I always thought that although Hamed had poor balance, he had a pretty strong chin. He took some hard shots but always got up.