TRUE knockout power:

i cant see how you can say he had poor balance. the positions and angles he puts himself into while still managing to throw big shots is a sign of great balance. also hes been hit in these positions and still managed not to go down. an example of this is in the barrera fight (not sure what round) where naz is almost beheaded by barrera while leaning backwards, yet still manages to keep his footing. his tremendous reflexes obviously does help him , but its great balance that keeps him in a good enough position to plant his bombs.
 
i cant see how you can say he had poor balance. the positions and angles he puts himself into while still managing to throw big shots is a sign of great balance. also hes been hit in these positions and still managed not to go down. an example of this is in the barrera fight (not sure what round) where naz is almost beheaded by barrera while leaning backwards, yet still manages to keep his footing. his tremendous reflexes obviously does help him , but its great balance that keeps him in a good enough position to plant his bombs.
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No. His balance was for shit. He just has good reflexes mostly, coupled with uncanny speed, and natural agility. The Kevin Kelly fight (his first really big-name opponent) and he was knocked down twice because of it. Barerra accomplished the same thing. Naz's strong legs make for that he almost never fell completely over, but his gloves touched the canvas plenty of times, which is a no-no and counts as a knockdown in Boxing. Balance is supposed to keep that from happening. Also, you can see examples of his bad balance whenever he was clinched or pinned against the ropes. Fast feet? Yes. Did he always know where they were? Not really.

You want to see good balance? Sugar Ray Robinson. Floyd Mayweather. Alexis Arguello.

Guys with terrible balance who made it look like they had good balance? Naseem Hamed, Wlad Klitschko, Aaron Pryor.
 
King Kabuki said:
The way I use them is not to develope KO power.
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i am questioning whether they actually do aid in developing ko power as the amount and number of small muscles required to fire from them are significantly more than the counterparts of db benches or db shoulder presses.
 
peregrine said:
i am questioning whether they actually do aid in developing ko power as the amount and number of small muscles required to fire from them are significantly more than the counterparts of db benches or db shoulder presses.
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I would imagine anything that would give you strength would help your KO power. I dont lift...I never have....maybe thats why Im a scrawny chump.
 
I would imagine anything that would give you strength would help your KO power. I dont lift...I never have....maybe thats why Im a scrawny chump.
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This is just untrue in many cases. There's plenty of guys walking around who look and lift like tanks, and hit like bitches. Even if you teach them how.
 
King Kabuki said:
This is just untrue in many cases. There's plenty of guys walking around who look and lift like tanks, and hit like bitches. Even if you teach them how.
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this is true, I know that first hand, however if you already know how to hit, being musclebound appears to make you hit just that much harder....I hate to use Phil Baroni as an example, but...Phil Baroni is an example.

all in all, I dont really know...I know jack about weightlifting.
 
Isn't Baroni supposedly naturally heavy-handed though? That's what I've heard about him. Coleman on the other hand...
 
Got this from a website about the great Rocky Marciano.

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Arena/1047/Rock3.html

They also have some good quotes about his balance and tenacity/spirit,


Where Did the Power Come From?

How does a 187 pound man hit harder than a 200+ pound man when both are trained fighters? There's an axiom in boxing that says "You can
 
King Kabuki said:
Isn't Baroni supposedly naturally heavy-handed though? That's what I've heard about him. Coleman on the other hand...
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thats what folks say, but look at the last fight against um...was it Tanner, I believe? in which he cut weight....he didnt seem to have the power he once had.

I dont know about having a KO punch, but there are plenty of bigger guys who have hit me pretty hard just because they were so much bigger than me.

who was it that said "Weightlifting is a Martial Art in and of itself"? was it Bas?
 
thats what folks say, but look at the last fight against um...was it Tanner, I believe? in which he cut weight....he didnt seem to have the power he once had.

I dont know about having a KO punch, but there are plenty of bigger guys who have hit me pretty hard just because they were so much bigger than me.

who was it that said "Weightlifting is a Martial Art in and of itself"? was it Bas?
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There's definitely a correlation. Strength is strength, I'm a beleiver in that. The only thing I really contested in this whole thread is guys thinking there's some magical training system that will either compensate for or replicate the genetics of naturally freakish punchers. That's all. Keeping people from being delusional about having that effortless one-punch KO power, off a jab, while off-balance, while going backwards, with either-hand.

But it's perfectly reasonable that strong guys possess an ability to hit hard, and do a lot of damage when they attempt to. However I do think that their genetics will also show at some point. Sustaining maximum effort, to me, goes beyond whatever training you do and becomes simply a combination of will to continue, and what your individual body is and isn't capable of. Training enhances and conditions these aspects, but every person has a threshold and they're usually different.

And now I'm babbling.
 
true talent < hard work earned skill
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In real life, Apollo Creed kicks Rocky's ass.

See Floyd Mayweather versus Arturo Gatti.

Both work hard, train hard, one got splattered because he's just not as good as the other one.
 
As your arm moves forward the time from beginning to end increases as you increase the distance of the thrown punch. Since velocity = feet per sec, that means the longer the range the less velocity. Now the energy generated is, remember, mass times vel x vel. Well if your punches are so much shorter, traveling only a few inches, your velocity is incredible! And the transmitted energy at impact is enormous!
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this sounds like bad physics.. What he's saying is that the longer distance you have, the less power you can generate ? I guess he asumes the punch is like a canonball, with an initial explosion. So the shorter the range, the bigger the power. But actually the arm is still attached to the body, so you can generate power and accelerate all through the punch. So I find his reasoning wrong, and far too simple. All that biomechanical stuff is much more complex.
Still, an interesting article.

One thing you learn in chinese internal styles of kung fu is how to get your weight behind your punches and transmitting the power from the floor to your fist. You learn it in boxing too, I guess, at least you should.
 
This thread is full of so much misinformation and ignorance. Check my thread for the true secrets to knockout power.
 
mmagoon said:
This thread is full of so much misinformation and ignorance. Check my thread for the true secrets to knockout power.
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Every post I have seen of yours has had bad fucking advice in it so please dont post anymore.......ever
 
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