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[USMCGixxer6]

Or just do less work and have the ring posts take care of the guys insteads

I've been trying to land a check hook like that forever, it just never happens though, lol

It always feels good in shadow boxing though, haha

 

[mixedmajik]

It's more about the feet than the hands. Granted I've never landed one.

 

[StRatoCastR]

It's more about the feet than the hands. Granted I've never landed one.

I've landed a well placed check hook but nothing that damaging like Floyd did on Hatton. It is about feet since you aren't planted fully to get in a good hip rotation which is why mine just hit with minimal damage. Floyd is very efficient and much faster than I could ever hope to be.

I have landed short right powerful hooks like Marquez before.

 

[mixedmajik]

Footwork and speed are all I have. The only reason I've hurt or stunned guys before is because they don't see the punch, not because its a hard punch. So I'd probably say my power/strength is lacking (I can't lift heavy), but I'm too lazy to fix it because I get by with speed compensating for it. I think footwork is arguably the underrated element of in-the-ring boxing to the common observer. Guy's like us on sherdog know better.

As for the check hook, the concept is not hard to grasp when hitting a bag, but its so hard to apply in an actual situation and have it be an effective punch like you were saying strato. Now that (back on topic) you have winning gloves, your hands might feel light/fast enough to land it! Tease us about how great it feels.

It's not a punch I really find myself ever being in a position to land effectively since I don't patent my style off Floyd mayweather, james toney, or those guys. Patent it after Marquez...don't think I've seen him land a check hook lol.

I'm actually waiting for goldennboy to get in here and join the convo. He heavily patents his style of Mayweather so he's probably landed a few in sparring or knows how to get into position to land it intentionally and not by accident.

 

[StRatoCastR]

Golden with the shoulder roll? I wish I was a slick boxer like that I'm too stocky

 

[mixedmajik]

Although build has something to do with what styles one can perform such the shoulder roll, it doesn't have to be. James Toney (in his latter years/currently) is pretty damn big (in the wrong ways) and is still rolling pretty well.

When I had a style identity crisis after losing my first coach 2 years ago, I went through so many styles (including the I don't give a shit sergio style). I did try the shoulder roll for a bit...but the way I saw it was unless I actively have a coach instead of having a coach on and off so much like I am doing, and unless the coach really knows the roll (i.e is a real michigan or philly coach), there is no point trying a style I can never become exceptional with/will never learn the true form of. Apparently as good as you get, it can't be right if you're not taught michigan or philly style from a real practitioner/teacher. Even mayweather sr. has said that about Broner of all people (the closest we have to emulating Floyd [despite the fact he's not even close to being as good]).

In the end I battled it out with a De La Hoya influenced-style since I jab excessively and the Marquez-influenced style in the end it came down to me being closer to Marquez's size than De La Hoya's and just feeling more natural and just better with it (to compromise, I still just add the jab to it excessively). I felt like too much of a fraud trying the roll, and didn't even think I performed much better when you stripped away how it looked and looked at what I was actually accomplishing when compared to my now Marquez-influenced style when I tried it lol.

What's your style more like Strato? Maybe pm me because I think I'm taking this too far off topic. People are here to read a review, not us talking about styles most likely. I did start this tangent also with the gif so I take blame for it to anyone who is sick of reading this all.

 

[goldennboy]

My Philly shell defense is my main point of defense. I actually don't get hit very often and I really have to thank my fg 2900 for that. It really helps me bring the shoulder high enough for me to see and roll. I just wish it didn't take away my vision so much. Another thing is, it's so closed up, i can't do that many rounds in it cause it suffocates me. Max i've done with it is 8.

In my opinion if we are talking techincally, footwork+defense are my #1 priority because footwork is overlooked by everybody. Floyd just showed everybody how important it really is in his last fight against Guerrero.

I've worked at the mayweather boxing club before and it's great. I learned a lot and even advanced further into the shoulder roll technique.


A little secret (that is easier said than done) when it comes to the philly shell defense is being able to commit and counter. Being able to commit is very important in boxing. If i'm in there looking to be slick and shoulder roll punches, i cant do anything else but that. The rest comes naturally as long as you stick to your gameplan.

 

[goldennboy]

And about landing that famous check hook, It was more that Floyd timed Hatton. Hatton with his momentum, dropping hands and bad footwork is how he ate that shot.

A little thing pretty cool is that Floyd knew where he was and baited him to come in by having his chin out and hands low, you see it in the gif and it's something i do VERY often with much success.

Edit: A check hook doesn't always have to be taking a backstep like Floyd did. you can do the opposite and take a step foward and lead with the hook. He did this agaisnt Marquez and dropped him. Granted I've done heavy damage and stopped a partner using the lead check hook. Not really a go-to move though.

It sounds to me like you guys are LOOKING for the check hook. I'ts not gonna happen, it's a shot that comes more naturally with advanced training and gameplan. It's something me and my mittman work on a few times though. We do two touch jabs and a strong backstep checkhook.

 

[StRatoCastR]

I look for a left hook to the body I don't care about being fancy. I look for the body. You can cut any opponent down with heavy body work. I'm too short to headhunt.

 

[USMCGixxer6]

yeah, it's not so much that I look for it, it's just that I want to really land it, lol. I just never seem to spot the opportunity to throw it at the right time, I have had those moments where I could/should have thrown it but didn't

I do like lead left hooks at times, and I agree with StRato about the body, but in the amateurs you don't really have enough rounds to really break somebody down via bodywork usually.

I am jealous of Golden and his coach/trainers, wish I could find a really good trainer here

 

[StRatoCastR]

But you have a coach right Bryan?

 

[goldennboy]

I look for a left hook to the body I don't care about being fancy. I look for the body. You can cut any opponent down with heavy body work. I'm too short to headhunt.

I'm also short, but you say it like it's a disadvantage. It's actually better to be short. Smaller target. The way I think about it when it comes to body shots is like this.

If you're getting boxed to death, make it a brawl and rough him up. Hit him with your shoulders and do masterful body work along with it. This is equal to taking air off tires of a car imo. Going to the body too much is ultimately not very smart and will become predictable as well as leaving a full half of your face exposed.

Other than that, make full advantage of your height and counter-punch. Combinations come with confidence. These are things you are not tought, but these are things you are grown into.

 

[USMCGixxer6]

But you have a coach right Bryan?

yeah but it's not really somebody who I feel has the ability to take someone far, not saying that I have the talent/everything else to even go far, but know what I am saying.

I have a coach who knows the basics, etc, and basics can go a long way, but recently he has been extremely fucking lazy, lol. He probably works with me more than anybody else in the gym, and that ain't much.

 

[goldennboy]

yeah, it's not so much that I look for it, it's just that I want to really land it, lol. I just never seem to spot the opportunity to throw it at the right time, I have had those moments where I could/should have thrown it but didn't

I do like lead left hooks at times, and I agree with StRato about the body, but in the amateurs you don't really have enough rounds to really break somebody down via bodywork usually.

I am jealous of Golden and his coach/trainers, wish I could find a really good trainer here

Whenever you want to come down, you know where i'm at. I'll personally give you pointers.

Theres a fighter/coach in our gym that only gives me mitts whenever i ask and he has his soul attention on me. I'm pretty lucky, but at the same time i DO work harder than anyone else there

 

[StRatoCastR]

I'm also short, but you say it like it's a disadvantage. It's actually better to be short. Smaller target. The way I think about it when it comes to body shots is like this.

If you're getting boxed to death, make it a brawl and rough him up. Hit him with your shoulders and do masterful body work along with it. This is equal to taking air off tires of a car imo. Going to the body too much is ultimately not very smart and will become predictable as well as leaving a full half of your face exposed.

Other than that, make full advantage of your height and counter-punch. Combinations come with confidence. These are things you are not tought, but these are things you are grown into.

I do brawl I get in the inside pretty deep , the jab is only to get in.

 

[goldennboy]

I do brawl I get in the inside pretty deep , the jab is only to get in.

Do you only brawl because you cant box? Have you ever even tried to box somebody? you know, hit and not get hit type of thing

 

[StRatoCastR]

I'm an inside fighter always have been, and I have competed, sparred, smokers. Using the word brawl was a mistake on my part it sounds uncontrolled. I should have said I'm an inside fighter. That was my bad.

 

[goldennboy]

Anyone here going to golden gloves in Georgia?

 

[mixedmajik]

Agree with you GB. Don't look for anything in particular, just stick to your gameplan and commit. Commitment is very important. If you can't commit to your style you can only lose. Look at Andre Berto as a prime example of this after his first loss. That's why I took so long to try different styles and go for what I felt most comfortable with even though I did at one point think I wanted to roll. Was real with myself and knew that wasn't me.

I also agree on your values too. Defense and footwork. Add in speed and extreme conditioning and that's me in a nutshell. If I had to rank it based on being real with myself, I'd say it goes like this: Conditioning (god's gift to me i guess), speed (half a gift lol), footwork, defense/reflexes, everything else afterwards. I have to put defence/reflexes at 4th because I'm coachless right now so I haven't been in any situations lately that have required me to practice/sharpen my defense. it's not really possible without a coach or partner to be as sharp in defense if I had to be real with myself.

 

[fightingrabbit]

My Philly shell defense is my main point of defense. I actually don't get hit very often and I really have to thank my fg 2900 for that. It really helps me bring the shoulder high enough for me to see and roll. I just wish it didn't take away my vision so much. Another thing is, it's so closed up, i can't do that many rounds in it cause it suffocates me. Max i've done with it is 8.

In my opinion if we are talking techincally, footwork+defense are my #1 priority because footwork is overlooked by everybody. Floyd just showed everybody how important it really is in his last fight against Guerrero.

I've worked at the mayweather boxing club before and it's great. I learned a lot and even advanced further into the shoulder roll technique.


A little secret (that is easier said than done) when it comes to the philly shell defense is being able to commit and counter. Being able to commit is very important in boxing. If i'm in there looking to be slick and shoulder roll punches, i cant do anything else but that. The rest comes naturally as long as you stick to your gameplan.

Are you mentioning this about the FG-2900? In alot of the reviews for the headgear, people said it didn't affect peripheral vision.

Also you mentioned the suffocating. Do you mean the headgear is too restrictive? I sparred a couple rounds in the FG-2900 and it got pretty damn hot under the headgear. Like uncomfortably hot.