Rewatch Travis Browne has a pretty interesting record

[LostMyBlackBelt]

Travis was good until Edmond taught him to jab "properly" by ending it with a little back wrist flick.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

Travis Browne = Tim Sylvia 2.0

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

That was a lot of words to type but they had not a lot to do with the original point.

I was referring specifically to the hype train that followed Vera when he debuted.

it kind of does. i'm actually agreeing with you, because it seemed obvious Brandon Vera was overrated. it did not seem obvious that Travis Browne would end up how he did.

 

[Cowboy Kurt Angle]

In hindsight Cain vs JDS was an upset, but was it really one before they fought?

I mean people pretty much at the time thought that Cain was the second coming of Fedor, Brock was the goat flavour of the month and Cain completely whooped his ass, maybe not a huge upset but considering Brock was so dominant it was kinda shocking to see Cain go out in the first round

 

[rjmbrd]

Overeem was flagged for elevated test ratios in the ufc he never tested positive for a specific ped. He did get busted in 2023 by glory, but as far as I know they never released what the drug was he was using

His testosterone to epitestosterone was 14:1

Alistair Overeem's T/E Ratio Was 14:1 in Failed PED Test

Alistair Overeem's T/E Ratio Was 14:1 in Failed PED Test

www.mmafighting.com

This is unequivocally evidence of exogenous testosterone / PEDS use. Not that it matters, because he plainly admitted taking testosterone before NSAC, and blamed it on his doctor injecting him without informing him.

Please shut up.

 

[Sycho Sid]

His testosterone to epitestosterone was 14:1

Alistair Overeem's T/E Ratio Was 14:1 in Failed PED Test

Alistair Overeem's T/E Ratio Was 14:1 in Failed PED Test

www.mmafighting.com

This is unequivocally evidence of exogenous testosterone / PEDS use. Not that it matters, because he plainly admitted taking testosterone before NSAC, and blamed it on his doctor injecting him without informing him.

Please shut up.

He also left the country after submitting two unacceptable tests before the Lesnar fight.

 

[Pierced7681]

His testosterone to epitestosterone was 14:1

Alistair Overeem's T/E Ratio Was 14:1 in Failed PED Test

Alistair Overeem's T/E Ratio Was 14:1 in Failed PED Test

www.mmafighting.com

This is unequivocally evidence of exogenous testosterone / PEDS use. Not that it matters, because he plainly admitted taking testosterone before NSAC, and blamed it on his doctor injecting him without informing him.

Please shut up.

Where did I disagree with you? I was just saying he didn’t pop for anything other than elevated test, which he said he got from a doctor. Doctors prescribe steroids all the time to make you heal quicker, alistair likely was just tested after using, which is why his levels were higher than the 6:1 maximum allowed by the commission

 

[Tweak896]

The upset with Overeem is only in the sense that people created a fantasy version of him that never existed.

Reem was getting knocked out left and right in Japan. He then gets ENORMOUS on steroids and puts together a series of wins against mostly unimpressive talent.

Comes to the UFC, looks good, fails the very first random PEDS test he takes. He then shrinks and resumes getting frequently knocked out, to the point you can give about 25% odds he's getting KO'd just because he is fighting.

PEDs might be correct but Overeem was a beast. It's insane that "unimpressive talent" was future ufc champ Werdum and beats Brock keeping both fights standing. With PEDs he had a titanium chin and was a K1 champ that Brock couldn't take down, also he had great grappling. Basically perfect fighter. Had Overeem got a title shot his first match in UFC he would've been champ. His losses just expose how HW is a crap shoot dice roll where anyone can land a KO shot.

 

[Lionheart7167]

Travis said a lot of stupid things, and I always enjoyed when he got TKO'ed.

 

[Lee Danger]

PEDs might be correct but Overeem was a beast. It's insane that "unimpressive talent" was future ufc champ Werdum and beats Brock keeping both fights standing. With PEDs he had a titanium chin and was a K1 champ that Brock couldn't take down, also he had great grappling. Basically perfect fighter. Had Overeem got a title shot his first match in UFC he would've been champ. His losses just expose how HW is a crap shoot dice roll where anyone can land a KO shot.

with PEDS he improved his biggest weakness: the cardio, all the rest remained pretty much the same.

he didn't have an iron chin at LHW as he didn't have one in HW (in K-1 the gloves were his defensive lethal weapon) but being faster and having better fundamentals than the majority of hws worked for him, plus hw fights usually have a slower peace which was perfect for him.

 

[Tweak896]

with PEDS he improved his biggest weakness: the cardio, all the rest remained pretty much the same.

he didn't have an iron chin at LHW as he didn't have one in HW (in K-1 the gloves were his defensive lethal weapon) but being faster and having better fundamentals than the majority of hws worked for him, plus hw fights usually have a slower peace which was perfect for him.

Good point about K1 gloves they did help his defense in a huge way. Even still I feel after Brock fight his "juice" advantage faded. Even in K1 Overeem wasn't getting KO'd cold by Hari, when he was hit.

Most people skip over talking about how Overeem had a year off after Brock failing drug test and didn't look the same when he returned. This is when he lost to Brown and Bigfoot back to back.

Maybe Ubereems cardio kept him fresh and fight iq high enough to protect his chin more. Either way he had a legendary run when he was in peak form.

 

[Lee Danger]

Maybe Ubereems cardio kept him fresh and fight iq high enough to protect his chin more. Either way he had a legendary run when he was in peak form.

he learnt how to be more effective without giving it all in the beginning of the fight, that's what costed him a lot of fights in lhw.
btw he was an excellent lhw too, his losses are against some of the best of that time.

Overeem has always been an elite fighter, at every stage of his career, it's true that his best achievements came when he abused PEDs but if you look at the single fights you cannot unsee how good he was.

 

[Robbocop]

-Made his pro debut in the MMA hotbed of Tijuana, Mexico.

Is this comment literal or sarcastic? Does Tijuana, Mexico have some kind of decent MMA scene?

 

[Natural Order]

Penis remains flaccid while reading OP.

Please do better TS.

 

[rjmbrd]

PEDs might be correct but Overeem was a beast. It's insane that "unimpressive talent" was future ufc champ Werdum and beats Brock keeping both fights standing. With PEDs he had a titanium chin and was a K1 champ that Brock couldn't take down, also he had great grappling. Basically perfect fighter. Had Overeem got a title shot his first match in UFC he would've been champ. His losses just expose how HW is a crap shoot dice roll where anyone can land a KO shot.

Virtually nothing you wrote is accurate.

Overeem was getting KO'd left and right early in his career. That isn't an opinion.

He then gets enormous on steroids and fights (generally) low caliber talent. Werdum at that stage in his career was not Werdum UFC champion.

Shows up to the UFC, immediately gets busted for PEDS, then gets knocked out over and over and over. Literally knocked out 3 of his 4 fights. Ngannou and Stipe murder him like nothing in the first round.

No its not 'anyone can win' his record speaks for itself.

 

[rjmbrd]

Where did I disagree with you? I was just saying he didn’t pop for anything other than elevated test, which he said he got from a doctor. Doctors prescribe steroids all the time to make you heal quicker, alistair likely was just tested after using, which is why his levels were higher than the 6:1 maximum allowed by the commission

We don't have to guess, Overeem literally filmed his testimony before NSAC for his Reem documentary.

He told NSAC "I'm so sorry I had no idea this idiot doctor injected me with testosterone"

 

[BowserJr]

Well you learned something then. You should Google Aaron Brink, one of the craziest lives/stories in MMA history.

Is wiki accurate on all that?

It's insane... he also died on my birthday last year. WTF?!

 

[Tweak896]

Overeem has always been an elite fighter, at every stage of his career, it's true that his best achievements came when he abused PEDs but if you look at the single fights you cannot unsee how good he was.

Even at LHW he gave everyone hell for atleast round one, used to be called the best 1 round fighter pretty much unopposed. He had a legendary career with up and downs and hung in there for a long time while changing his style and physique. Interesting how contested people are about it today.

Virtually nothing you wrote is accurate.

Overeem was getting KO'd left and right early in his career. That isn't an opinion.

He then gets enormous on steroids and fights (generally) low caliber talent. Werdum at that stage in his career was not Werdum UFC champion.

Shows up to the UFC, immediately gets busted for PEDS, then gets knocked out over and over and over. Literally knocked out 3 of his 4 fights. Ngannou and Stipe murder him like nothing in the first round.

No its not 'anyone can win' his record speaks for itself.

All I'm saying is he had a peak prime probably while on PEDs after the Sergei loss, and when he turned into Ubereem he was basically unstoppable until he failed a UFC ped test in 2012 and deflated after that. His losses to Brown and Bigfoot came after he was being scrutinized for PED use. Yeah he was chinny before but he also trained dutch style kickboxing which is pretty dangerous defensively.

His streak included Hunt, CroCop (NC but Overeem was destroying him), Rogers (when he was giving Fedor a tough fight), Duffee (before health issues), Wedum, Brock. In K1 he beat Hari, Aerts, LeBanner, Saki, Spong, and almost beat Bonjasky (got knocked down but not knocked out). Lost to Hari and Bonjasky but not knocked out. At the time there were rumors of fedor ducking ubereem as well.

You're literally saying Werdum wasn't at the same level he was while in UFC after beating Fedor who was #1 on everyone's lists for HW the previous fight and prime Bigfoot before that. After losing to Overeem he never lost until after he was UFC champion.

 

[StewDogg11]

Is wiki accurate on all that?

It's insane... he also died on my birthday last year. WTF?!

Yep I first remember from A&E’s Intervention.

 

[Pierced7681]

We don't have to guess, Overeem literally filmed his testimony before NSAC for his Reem documentary.

He told NSAC "I'm so sorry I had no idea this idiot doctor injected me with testosterone"

Testosterone in itself isnt illegal in mma, too much testosterone is illegal. You can have as high as 6:1 ratio but if you’re tested right after you take test of course you’re going to be over the 6:1 ratio. Most athletes just microdose it so they don’t go over the legal allowable limit. Overeems explanation makes sense why he was flagged for high test ratios.