Social Transgender Megathread Vol. 2

[Hollywood Jack]

I like how our standards are so low with some of these goofs that we pat them on the back for not supporting a flash mob that tried to break into the Capitol to interrupt election proceedings.

Like always they're arguing in bad faith, is normal for them.

Basically they're annoyed that while @gremins agrees with some general critiques from the right in regards to these issues, gremins also critiques their myopic focus on certain kinds of sins and the negativity of their messaging and their own character flaws. Which is obviously fair but is off script from the partisan hack POV so that can't be tolerated.

It's just funny to me that a Christian guy who agrees with Christian tenets across the board is getting called out for being inconsistent. No, actually the cafeteria Christians on the right who act like having Jewish atheist objectivist Ayn Rand's views on economics and healthcare is inline with Jesus' teachings are the ones who are being inconsistent.

 

[Gandulf]

These Pizzagaters and QAnon idiots aren’t actually upset about doctors making money or children getting hurt.

In fact, if you gave these same kids free medical care or a free school lunch, they’d start blowing shit straight out of their size 46 carhartts.

it’s about trying to launder their bigotry in a way that’s more socially acceptable. The same excuse that bullies have used for generations.

Some are certainly this way, but many just think ANY for of child abuse is disgusting. When it comes to children's health and wellbeing, political preference shouldn't matter.

 

[Gandulf]

At what point do we stop accepting mental illness as normal? Guessing we're ten-ish years off from people boffing their pets and claiming bestiality is normal and healthy? Trans people wanting other to pretend a woman is really a man and vice versa is my tipping point. Im not giving crazy people any more leeway. The craziness has to stop at some point.

It's already happening in Germany, some people were protesting for their right to fuck animals. I'm not kidding, you can youtube it. Time for an asteroid.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Because those opinions aren't contradictory in that sphere. Why would I call out a right winger for having consistent right wing views? There's nothing odd about it. It would be contradictory if they held an extreme leftist view on these issues, which I would definitely chime in on if I happened to catch it, because it just wouldn't gel and I'd be curious at how they think they can balance being very right wing, while championing a very left wing stance on a social issue such as this, which really doesn't have much wiggle room. Same thing with @gremins. I'm not criticizing his views on this. I'm criticizing the contradiction of his professed leftism.

I just find it odd how he's arguing that he's trying to convey compassion to a group of people, while saying he thinks they are living "wrong" lives, and need to be "cured" or "saved" or whatever. It doesn't compute. That's not a compassionate stance to the people he's talking about, and I'm not sure if he can accept that. Whenever I am at odds with him, it's usually about inconsistencies like these. For instance, he also claims to abhor conspiracy theories and has no problem calling the people who indulge in them complete morons when it's being related to the right, but yet, you'll find him talking like Cletus from the trailer park in other threads, talking about being visited by aliens n' shit. It doesn't add up, and makes him a bit of a hypocrite.



You said "You NEVER challenge anyone on the right, or aligned with the right like this". Full stop. That is false. I'm not exactly shy about voicing my opinions to anyone. Naturally, I'm not going to butt heads with the right a whole lot, but it happens from time to time.

i would like to see the posts where you quote me as saying they should be "cured" and "saved" in context with anything to do with lgbtq issues. i doubt ive ever said that frankly. i have some nuanced ideas about this topic but i dont know if ive ever shared them on here. yes everyone needs saved but i doubt i have ever used that word specifically when referring to lgbtq people.

it is possible to think someone is wrong and still have compassion for them also. have you ever had kids for instance? how many times have you had to discipline kids while feeling profound love for them? also you keep missing the christian context here and im not surprised if your exposure to it is mostly online. online Christians are often the worst of the worst and speak so cruelly towards issues they disagree with. i had never heard any christian speak like this before getting online and it was shocking to me. but also the main point is that EVERYONE is disordered..... everyone is sinful and everyone needs saving.

im just not sure what specifically your criticism is... that im not compassionate? is that what it is? if so i would just say we can agree to disagree. but let me ask you this question. is there no group on this planet, no individual that you think is doing something wrong that you still love and have care for? if the answer is "yes" then you now understand where im coming from... if it is "no" then you have revealed the disorder in you that makes you unable to understand where im coming from. i cant imagine not being able to have compassion for something you disagree with.

it would also help to parse out all the different issues we are speaking of because i dont evaluate them all equally. homosexual men participating in orgies is valued worse for me than a person getting a sex change for instance which barely hits my radar. a truly monogamous male couple also barely hits my radar. but a kid transitioning in a hurry because they dont want to hit puberty before they do the change worries me deeply because i suspect that many of these people would/could come to resolution over time were they to leave the issue alone. and even though i think gay men OFTEN end up in sexual debauchery (judged against christian standards of monogamy) i absolutely want them to have the right to marry and go through life treated with dignity. and while i see no issue with a man transitioning to a woman i get pretty upset when that man goes into girls restrooms, women's prisons and shelters and competes in women's sports. it would be better if you spoke more specifically about which issues as these are all so very different.


to your point about ufo's and conspiracy theories. it is uneducated to conflate the two issues. conspiracy theories in general (except in the rare cases when they are correct) are generated for profit and for political fodder. i think in most cases the partisan nature of them is pretty transparent. and to believe them you have to believe in a level of governmental organization across counties and nations and over time often involving millions of people that is impossible to believe in my opinion . i also think to believe most of today's ct's you have to already be down the partisan road and blinded by it.

i think ct's are VERY different from believing in the ufo phenomenon which can include ct's but does not in my case at any rate. i would offer this podcast, one of the very best on youtube for any science related topics dealing with "theories of everything" as evidence that extremely intelligent and highly trained scientists and thinkers enter the ufo field and become convinced that "it", "something" is really happening. https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoriesofEverything/videos.

i think the days where you can mock anyone who has had experience with this phenomenon with immunity from criticism yourself has ended frankly.



i hardly think that my preferred jungian take as an explanation for this phenomenon in all its manifestations can be refereed to as "cletus" like, and i would guess you could not restate my understanding of it if i asked you to.

 

[TryggeTryggvar]

a flash mob that tried to break into the Capitol to interrupt election proceedings.

I think we agree here, since they had about as much a chance to change the election as a flash mob would have in reality.

If you ever witnessed a real coup, you would know that jan 6 was not it.

Now the folks who were there with evil on there mind should go to jail, but the rest of the flash mob should just dance on.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I think we agree here, since they had about as much a chance to change the election as a flash mob would have in reality.

If you ever witnessed a real coup, you would know that jan 6 was not it.

Now the folks who were there with evil on there mind should go to jail, but the rest of the flash mob should just dance on.

 

[TryggeTryggvar]

I know, your post shows this.

Maybe next time, put some thought into it, cant be slacking off just cause you got modded

 

[Islam Imamate]

I know, your post shows this.

Really? Because you agreed with it

I think we agree here

 

[TryggeTryggvar]

Really? Because you agreed with it

I think your reading comprehension is a bit off, or maybe its your thought process.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

The fact that there even is a debate on this topic just shows how infected and demented some people have become in the age of modernity and moral relativism.

The same demented doofuses who support child abuse and mutilation and do so thinking they are righteous would be the people defending slavery in the 1700s and nazi sympathizing snitches in the 1900s.

Bingo

 

[Hollywood Jack]

I think we agree here, since they had about as much a chance to change the election as a flash mob would have in reality.

If you ever witnessed a real coup, you would know that jan 6 was not it.

Now the folks who were there with evil on there mind should go to jail, but the rest of the flash mob should just dance on.

They came surprisingly close to catching Mike Pence. There was one black cop with a nightstick being chased by chuds. He backed up close to where Pence was being led out. They kept following him. He then smartly went the other way and the mob followed him. It was a close call and the right call.

If he had kept backing up in Pence's direction, it could have gone real bad. I honestly believe they would have lynched Pence that day if they had caught him. They even turned on Ted Cruz at one point because they have low IQ and misunderstood what he was arguing. Then one of them who was only one standard deviation below average instead of two like the rest of them, pointed out that Cruz was still on their side and they calmed down about Cruz after that.

That was a total hive mind mob that was capable of great violence that day and came close to killing some of our major elected officials. That woman who was leading the charge was about to lead them past the last barrier when that officer made the hard but necessary decision to put her down. Which stopped the rest in their tracks. I pray that it never comes close to that in your country...

An angry mob chanting “hang Mike Pence” came within 40 feet of the vice president. He spent nearly five hours in an underground loading dock. And the president called him a “wimp” and worse.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/16/us/politics/pence-trump-jan-6.html



Around 5:00 into the video is where the chuds get confused and think that Cruz "sold them out". If Cruz had been there at the time, they would have turned on him too, because it was a low IQ dangerous mob.

Around 9:54 is when they're chanting "fuck the blue!" after grandstanding against the left with "back the blue". You can tell it's merely a facade and they only support law enforcement insofar as it can be used by them as a tool against minorities and their political enemies. Several law enforcement officers ended up dying or being maimed because of what happened that day.

Babbitt, 35, was fatally shot while attempting to climb through the broken window of a barricaded door leading to the Speaker’s Lobby inside the Capitol, where police officers were evacuating members of Congress from the mob supporting Trump’s false claim that the 2020 presidential election was stolen.

Source: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation...-portrayed-as-martyr-by-some-had-violent-past

 

[TryggeTryggvar]

They came surprisingly close to catching Mike Pence. There was one black cop with a nightstick being chased by chuds. He backed up close to where Pence was being led out. They kept following him. He then smartly went the other way and the mob followed him. It was a close call and the right call.

If he had kept backing up in Pence's direction, it could have gone real bad. I honestly believe they would have lynched Pence that day if they had caught him. They even turned on Ted Cruz at one point because they have low IQ and misunderstood what he was arguing. Then one of them who was only one standard deviation below average instead of two like the rest of them, pointed out that Cruz was still on their side and they calmed down about Cruz after that.

That was a total hive mind mob that was capable of great violence that day and came close to killing some of our major elected officials. That woman who was leading the charge was about to lead them past the last barrier when that officer made the hard but necessary decision to put her down. Which stopped the rest in their tracks. I pray that it never comes close to that in your country...

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/16/us/politics/pence-trump-jan-6.html



Around 5:00 into the video is where the chuds get confused and think that Cruz "sold them out". If Cruz had been there at the time, they would have turned on him too, because it was a low IQ dangerous mob.

Around 9:54 is when they're chanting "fuck the blue!" after grandstanding against the left with "back the blue". You can tell it's merely a facade and they only support law enforcement insofar as it can be used by them as a tool against minorities and their political enemies. Several law enforcement officers ended up dying or being maimed because of what happened that day.

Source: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation...-portrayed-as-martyr-by-some-had-violent-past

Thats alot of ifs and maybes. But I do realize you have to support your political clan.

Was it a peaceful protest, not really, but you have to have a sub 80 iq to think it was a coup.

If they really wanted to overrun congress that day and kill everyone they found, they easily could have, wich shows it was not planned by the vast majority that attended. Remind me how outnumbered the guards=cops were again and how many guns the protesters had. Its not like the cops fought like it was the battle of verdun after all.

 

[yookfarb]

The right’s fascination with this is gross. What business is it of this nutcase, Shapiro? If some consenting adult, or some consenting child and their family make a decision along with their doctor and a reputable University Med School to, for example, remove (or not remove ) healthy breast tissue? Maybe Shapiro could just mind his f#$king business.

There are what, 10,000 of these surgeries per year in the US? a small fraction of those are under 18 and a small fraction of those occur at this University. (Glutches pearls!)

But, a million DEAD from Covid 19 at that’s a “nothing Burger” to the right.

What about the children? Fine, about 1 in 7 children in the US experienced abuse or neglect in the last year, per the CDC. Where is Shapiro on this? Why the intense interest the sexual identities and sexual medical decisions of minors and their families?

What's really disgusting is the whataboutism and misleading characterization to justify this abhorrent practice.

 

[Ichibanner]

The right’s fascination with this is gross. What business is it of this nutcase, Shapiro? If some consenting adult, or some consenting child and their family make a decision along with their doctor and a reputable University Med School to, for example, remove (or not remove ) healthy breast tissue? Maybe Shapiro could just mind his f#$king business.

There are what, 10,000 of these surgeries per year in the US? a small fraction of those are under 18 and a small fraction of those occur at this University. (Glutches pearls!)

But, a million DEAD from Covid 19 at that’s a “nothing Burger” to the right.

What about the children? Fine, about 1 in 7 children in the US experienced abuse or neglect in the last year, per the CDC. Where is Shapiro on this? Why the intense interest the sexual identities and sexual medical decisions of minors and their families?

Thank you for your false equivalency.

A million DEAD from COVID 19 and liberal Democrats continue to allow unvaccinated illegals to flood our borders. Liberals don't care who dies!!!!!!! - Am I doing it right?

How much are you loving that Ron Desantis personal freedom in Florida?

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Thats alot of ifs and maybes. But I do realize you have to support your political clan.

Was it a peaceful protest, not really, but you have to have a sub 80 iq to think it was a coup.

If they really wanted to overrun congress that day and kill everyone they found, they easily could have, wich shows it was not planned by the vast majority that attended. Remind me how outnumbered the guards=cops were again and how many guns the protesters had. Its not like the cops fought like it was the battle of verdun after all.

Dude, I didn't call it a coup. And I laid out the facts and sourced them. It's not about "my tribe". It's my nation's Capitol, not my tribe's Capitol. Honestly, this both sides bullshit can fuck off...

 

[UFCUCF]

Thank you for your false equivalency.

A million DEAD from COVID 19 and liberal Democrats continue to allow unvaccinated illegals to flood our borders. Liberals don't care who dies!!!!!!! - Am I doing it right?

How much are you loving that Ron Desantis personal freedom in Florida?

In Florida, we have the freedom to die for DeSantis’ Presidential ambitions. Can’t say I love that.

 

[James Bomb]

Some are certainly this way, but many just think ANY for of child abuse is disgusting. When it comes to children's health and wellbeing, political preference shouldn't matter.

That’s not really an honest framing of the two sides of this issue.

The idea that doctors and parents are bullying kids into becoming trans isn’t supported by any scientific evidence. In fact, it’s contradicted by it.

 

[Jacket time]

Party of Science

Imagine a 8 yr old seeing this

 

[Denter]

Pretty huge escalation if true. If so, it emphasizes the importance of quickly disposing of Griswold, Lawrence and other such ridiculous precedents.

 

[Lubaolong]

Pretty huge escalation if true. If so, it emphasizes the importance of quickly disposing of Griswold, Lawrence and other such ridiculous precedents.

Sounds like fake shit to get people angry. Parental consent laws seem on the stricter side in Michigan than some states. Not sure how prop 3 would invalidate the current required parental consent for this stuff.