Social Trans people being removed from the military by Trump for being mentally unfit.

[Hog-train]

Its not confusing the issue. It's the way ETP works. It is a collection of multiple waivers that have to go through chain of command before being approved and can have stipulations attached.

For example stipulations can be that the DEERS marker can change but physical standards must remain within passing for male (which 1st class female scores are well above passing) or limited simply to uniform and grooming standards.

You want to make this into something that does not reflect the bulk of actual trans troops and im not going to entertain it. 99% can't get waivers and pass their pft based on sex. Womp womp

No you're trying to make it something it isn't.

There are trans soldiers that come in trans. That means their gender marker is female from the beginning and would adhere to female fitness standards.

"Gender transition while serving in the military presents unique challenges associated with addressing the needs of the Service member in a manner consistent with military mission and readiness. Where possible, gender transition should be conducted such that a Service member would meet all applicable standards and be available for duty in the birth gender before a change in the Service member’s gender marker in DEERS and would meet all applicable standards and be available for duty in the self-identified gender after the change in gender marker.

In black and white. You need to meet sex standards before the Gender Marker is changed.

Yea all this says is that a service member needs to meet the fitness standards of their assigned sex BEFORE transition.

But what about after they transition and get their gender marker changes to female. That's when they would have to meet the female fitness standards.

So it goes back to my original point: transwomen only have to meet female fitness standards.

 

[Slothbroth]

The military is a place for people to find a job that can't find work in the regular job market. Trans people in general have a hard time finding jobs because of people's existing biases against them and/or their appearance. This seems unreasonably cruel even for Trump.

If non-debilitating mental illness makes someone unfit to serve, we'd literally have no military.

I thought the purpose of the military is to be strong and capable of defending our country, not to be some haven for rejects who can't cut it elsewhere.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

There are trans soldiers that come in trans. That means their gender marker is female from the beginning and would adhere to female fitness standards.

Already posted the part of the order that shows that they'd need a waiver before having it changed and would need to meet initial standards for males first.

transwomen only have to meet female fitness standards.

Willingly ignoring 99% to focus on 1% really proves what I said about willful dishonesty. The vast majority of trans women pass male fitness standards

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I thought the purpose of the military is to be strong and capable of defending our country, not to be some haven for rejects who can't cut it elsewhere.

Same logic they used to exclude women and minorities for the longest

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Same logic they used to exclude women and minorities for the longest

It was the best of times...

*sigh

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

It was the best of times...

*sigh

And the true colors show

 

[Slothbroth]

Same logic they used to exclude women and minorities for the longest

Women should be excluded from combat roles and the last part is just flat out racist to which I'm vehemently opposed.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Women should be excluded from combat roles and the last part is just flat out racist to which I'm vehemently opposed.

No reason for them to be excludes as we've already had successful operations when female infantry was deployed. Especially if we are to return to a middle eastern conflict.

 

[Slothbroth]

No reason for them to be excludes as we've already had successful operations when female infantry was deployed. Especially if we are to return to a middle eastern conflict.

They should be excluded for being weaker and a distraction. Just because they tagged along while the men protected them doesn't mean that they're competent.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Willingly hiring mentally ill people is basically subsidizing their delusions.

If a guy came around claiming he's Washington you wouldn't give him full command of the troops.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

They should be excluded for being weaker and a distraction. Just because they tagged along while the men protected them doesn't mean that they're competent.

They are more physically and mentally competent than most Americans. They were critically useful in the middle east because the local women would feed them intel. A rifle doesn't care what's in your pants. Your views are outdated and wrong

 

[Slothbroth]

They are more physically and mentally competent than most Americans. They were critically useful in the middle east because the local women would feed them intel. A rife doesn't care what's in your pants. Your views are outdated and wrong

Biology is not "outdated". Women are generally physically inferior to men. There are military roles they can perform but combat is not ideal for women.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Biology is not "outdated". Women are generally physically inferior to men. There are military roles they can perform but combat is not ideal for women.

Combat isn't ideal for anyone but they have gone out and performed well multiple times. No matter how fot you are, you get shot, you're out. You shoot them, youre good. If you can carry all your gear and shoot the target, you can deploy into combat

 

[Flower2dPeople]

And the true colors show

 

[Hog-train]

Already posted the part of the order that shows that they'd need a waiver before having it changed and would need to meet initial standards for males first.

Learn how to read. I'm not talking about soldiers that decide to transition while in service. Talking about already transitioned people entering the military.

Willingly ignoring 99% to focus on 1% really proves what I said about willful dishonesty. The vast majority of trans women pass male fitness standards

You're the one willingly ignoring shit.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

guys you should know @GreatSaintGuillotine once took a class about this!
he's an expert in everything tranny.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Learn how to read. I'm not talking about soldiers that decide to transition while in service. Talking about already transitioned people entering the military.



You're the one willingly ignoring shit.

You cannot get it changed until you come in and get command approval. I've cited this so many times and you're still ignore it. DoDI 1300.28 only applies to people already under contract

 

[Slothbroth]

Combat isn't ideal for anyone but they have gone out and performed well multiple times. No matter how fot you are, you get shot, you're out. You shoot them, youre good. If you can carry all your gear and shoot the target, you can deploy into combat

They are not as strong as men so they can't carry the gear as well. They also don't perform as well in physically strenuous life or death situations. You're spouting the same dangerous rhetoric that led to the fire department lower the difficulty of the physical tests for their job.

They are also a distraction due to inadvertently creating sexual tension among the male soldiers.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

No, i don't think so. As American, you have a right to serve our country doesn't matter who you are, color, race, sex as long as your willing to serve, i will proudly respect them. The fact people in here are so bigoted about is also kind of weird, if ain't bothering you, why do you care?

Whos to say what they are is an issue. It doesn't bother me, nor do i care. That kind of rubs me the wrong way, since my people(African Americans) Had to go through hell just to serve in the military. They got kicked an dragged though the mud before we got any respect. I don't understand why this is the focus of the Donnie dump, but its really weird.


1800s-1980s America had some dark times when it came to race relations. It does kinda disturb me when people are hyper focused on this kind of crap. Making it a political thing is kind of a resurface from our historical passed, and very similar to what the Nazi's did and old America. That does kind spook me a little bit, we've come a long way to kinda walk hand an hand, why ruin that?

I have a hard time finding similarities between what happened to black people and transsexuals, I don't see it.

It's like my old neighbor who is a drunk and gets DUIS and arrested for stupid things. Can he claim victim status because people discriminate against alcoholics?

Blacks were treated unfairly for no reason, it is wrong. Transsexuals are treated fairly. They are asking for special privileges. Like expensive medical care for free, taking advantage of women in sports, and sneaking into bathrooms to indulge in their sexual urges. No comparisons.

Black people got horsewhipped like animals and called n_ __ _, read Frederick Douglass and Booker T Washington. For no reason. Not allowed to get an education, treated like filth, raped, and tortured. Even Jefferson was raping the slaves and then the kids get taken away, horrible. And you are saying trans people are in the same boat cause they can't as many kids as they want. GTFOH

 

[Spounman]

Well, they are mentally ill