Social Trans people being removed from the military by Trump for being mentally unfit.

[deviake]

So i hope you take all the lunatics in your country whatever it might be.
I bet your from a really soy country like a european one or Canada.

Concession noted.

Speaking of soy, the US is the second biggest producer of soybeans lmao.

 

[TRYHARD 2001]

They are not as strong as men so they can't carry the gear as well. They also don't perform as well in physically strenuous life or death situations. You're spouting the same dangerous rhetoric that led to the fire department lower the difficulty of the physical tests for their job.

They are also a distraction due to inadvertently creating sexual tension among the male soldiers.

You currently serving?

 

[Stoic1]

You currently serving?

I have two DD214's and just got out of the Army. I agree with him.

Women in combat roles fucking suck. I've never seem one pull their share of the physical tasks. Hell they can't load their own rucksacks onto an LMTV.

Commanders will assume a percentage of their women will not deploy due to pregnancy.

I could go on and but I think you have your mind made up already.

 

[Croo67]

Liberal men don't realise that most women just cringe and immediately identify them as virgins anytime they try to argue that men have no physical advantage over women.

 

[kflo]

you don't want US minorities in the military? and gloating about having such a view?

 

[kflo]

Liberal men don't realise that most women just cringe and immediately identify them as virgins anytime they try to argue that men have no physical advantage over women.

what men argue that men overall don't have physical advantages over women overall?

 

[TRYHARD 2001]

I have two DD214's and just got out of the Army. I agree with him.

Women in combat roles fucking suck. I've never seem one pull their share of the physical tasks. Hell they can't load their own rucksacks onto an LMTV.

Commanders will assume a percentage of their women will not deploy due to pregnancy.

I could go on and but I think you have your mind made up already.

Fair enough, a fellow soldier. Wanted to gauge buddy's lived experience with women in combat before we started debating. I did a tour in Afghanistan with the Infantry then transitioned to the Navy as a mechanic. Still going strong. Now that we've been introduced...

I fundamentally agree that the women the military attracts for the most part aren't as good as the men in a combat role. Based off of my experience, that's the truth. Now, there are a couple notable exceptions that I've encountered; literally two, but they were pretty damn good. Could shoot, were fit as hell, good senses of humour, mentally strong, in short, they were damn good soldiers. So yes, based off of my experience women can be useful in combat because I've seen it occur.

A major issue here is how freakin' small the sample size is and how badly that can swing the perception when you get a weak lazy female that just can't seem to turn down the D and just can't seem to crank out a pullup. But the number of females that even apply to combat trades (talking Infantry, Combat Engineer, and Armoured here) are so small to begin with that it really isn't a true representation of what women could potentially do if we were some how able to get our hands on the Crossfit Queens, not quite Olympic-level gymnasts, swimmers, etc instead of or at least along with the chubby ones who have some vague idea about becoming a warrior, then quit and/or remuster to clerk when the training gets brutal.

This post was a bit winding (haven't slept in far too long) but my main point is that yes, women can fight alongside men and do well doing it and I know this because I've seen it done. At the same time, the vast majority of women that we recruit aren't really up to it. A case can be made that it's the same for the men today too, but that's another story...

 

[Flower2dPeople]

you don't want US minorities in the military? and gloating about having such a view?

Minorities can do whatever they want. People just lump them in with the mental disorder group like they're a package.

 

[GhostZ06]

I have a hard time finding similarities between what happened to black people and transsexuals, I don't see it.

It's like my old neighbor who is a drunk and gets DUIS and arrested for stupid things. Can he claim victim status because people discriminate against alcoholics?

Blacks were treated unfairly for no reason, it is wrong. Transsexuals are treated fairly. They are asking for special privileges. Like expensive medical care for free, taking advantage of women in sports, and sneaking into bathrooms to indulge in their sexual urges. No comparisons.

Black people got horsewhipped like animals and called n_ __ _, read Frederick Douglass and Booker T Washington. For no reason. Not allowed to get an education, treated like filth, raped, and tortured. Even Jefferson was raping the slaves and then the kids get taken away, horrible. And you are saying trans people are in the same boat cause they can't as many kids as they want. GTFOH

im aware of this, but i honestly see some similarities. Some! Again its a shouldn't be a political thing.

 

[The_Renaissance]

I have two DD214's and just got out of the Army. I agree with him.

Women in combat roles fucking suck. I've never seem one pull their share of the physical tasks. Hell they can't load their own rucksacks onto an LMTV.

Commanders will assume a percentage of their women will not deploy due to pregnancy.

I could go on and but I think you have your mind made up already.

My aunt and her girlfriend served in the first Gulf War, and the Balkans War. Front line. Butch dykes. Hard as absolute nails both of them. Her missus was 6ft 2in with a flat-top haircut and would routinely fight drunken men in the mess when called slurs. They were both beasts. They were also a real anomaly rather than a norm. My aunt back then had genuine Vazquez from "Aliens" energy. Most women in the forces do not stack up like that though I agree.

 

[kflo]

Minorities can do whatever they want. People just lump them in with the mental disorder group like they're a package.

You responsed to a post lumping them with women….

 

[Hog-train]

Fair enough, a fellow soldier. Wanted to gauge buddy's lived experience with women in combat before we started debating. I did a tour in Afghanistan with the Infantry then transitioned to the Navy as a mechanic. Still going strong. Now that we've been introduced...

I fundamentally agree that the women the military attracts for the most part aren't as good as the men in a combat role. Based off of my experience, that's the truth. Now, there are a couple notable exceptions that I've encountered; literally two, but they were pretty damn good. Could shoot, were fit as hell, good senses of humour, mentally strong, in short, they were damn good soldiers. So yes, based off of my experience women can be useful in combat because I've seen it occur.

A major issue here is how freakin' small the sample size is and how badly that can swing the perception when you get a weak lazy female that just can't seem to turn down the D and just can't seem to crank out a pullup. But the number of females that even apply to combat trades (talking Infantry, Combat Engineer, and Armoured here) are so small to begin with that it really isn't a true representation of what women could potentially do if we were some how able to get our hands on the Crossfit Queens, not quite Olympic-level gymnasts, swimmers, etc instead of or at least along with the chubby ones who have some vague idea about becoming a warrior, then quit and/or remuster to clerk when the training gets brutal.

This post was a bit winding (haven't slept in far too long) but my main point is that yes, women can fight alongside men and do well doing it and I know this because I've seen it done. At the same time, the vast majority of women that we recruit aren't really up to it. A case can be made that it's the same for the men today too, but that's another story...

Seems this situation can easily be resolved by just requiring female soldiers that want to do infantry be required to adhere to male fitness standards. Problem solved. The few badass female soldiers can then participate.

 

[evansusmc2]

Yaaawn

Debunked you on all this multiple times and you dick tucked like a pussy. Cry harder bum

Debunked nothing, wrong about my experience... side-steps and scoffs it off by showing his(her?) true colors with insults. Just like the anonymous, faceless coward we all knew you were to begin with.

Service is better off without you.

1. As long as I am only hearing this is Mrs. Hidebehindanonymity. It's obviously something I can laugh off.

2.As it turns out.... Apparently not. I've since been asked to come back in by the USMC and Army via reserve components.

 

[evansusmc2]

why do you care?

The MEME continues... wow.

And the rest of your comment was just speaking from the outside looking in/NEVER served category.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Debunked nothing, wrong about my experience... side-steps and scoffs it off by showing his(her?) true colors with insults. Just like the anonymous, faceless coward we all knew you were to begin with.

1. As long as I am only hearing this is Mrs. Hidebehindanonymity. It's obviously something I can laugh off.

2.As it turns out.... Apparently not. I've since been asked to come back in by the USMC and Army via reserve components.

Literally debunked multiple blatant lies you've said on here. Keep pretending tho princess. And damn straight I insulted you snowflake. You made it clear that you deserved no respect when you insulted me and accused me stealing valor.

Lol at calling me a faceless coward when also hiding behind anonymity. Cry more pussy. I've put more of my personal info on here than 99% of posters on here. It's not hard at all to find out who i am by how open I am on here.

And sure they asked you back bud lol.

 

[evansusmc2]

Literally debunked multiple blatant lies you've said on here. Keep pretending tho princess.

Debunked NOTHING and it showed.

And damn straight I insulted you snowflake.

Of course you toss insults around... its really all ya got. Like I said... just a random, faceless, anonymous, do nothing behind a keyboard. Just some guy (girl?) that would shut his/her lips face to face.

You made it clear that you deserved no respect when you insulted me and accused me stealing valor.

The way you were talking... it REALLY seemed that way.

Lol at calling me a faceless coward when also hiding behind anonymity.

[ https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/who-here-has-the-guts-to-post-their-pic.3164915/post-171529248 ] Most of my matches are on youtube.

so uuuummm how many more times are you gonna be wrong about me?? You were already wrong about my military experience. Now this?? wow.... 0-2 on the proof category so far huh?? But I'm sure you'll side-step around it with more insults.
Admitting you are wrong is the ONE thing you fail at <---- Good luck debunking that.

Cry more pussy. I've put more of my personal info on here than 99% of posters on here. It's not hard at all to find out who i am by how open I am on here.

When in doubt and ya got nothing.... just sandwich the words "cry and pussy" together... uuuugh... cringe. I guess I fall into that 1% that got you beat huh?

And sure they asked you back bud lol.

Back in 2023. Reserve components. Not active duty. But since I didn't feel like going back to Poland I turned it down.

 

[HeffDoesWant]

Massive shit going down on the world stage, and the two top threads in the war room are both trany themed.

lost for words.....

 

[cmw43]

My aunt and her girlfriend served in the first Gulf War, and the Balkans War. Front line. Butch dykes. Hard as absolute nails both of them. Her missus was 6ft 2in with a flat-top haircut and would routinely fight drunken men in the mess when called slurs. They were both beasts. They were also a real anomaly rather than a norm. My aunt back then had genuine Vazquez from "Aliens" energy. Most women in the forces do not stack up like that though I agree.

That's very interesting, I had no idea women had been involved in combat roles for that long.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

US judge blocks Trump’s ban on trans people serving in the military​

Judge Ana Reyes says president’s executive order likely violates constitutional rights of service members

A federal judge blocked Donald Trump’s executive order banning transgender people from military service on Tuesday.

US district judge Ana Reyes in Washington DC ruled that the president’s order to exclude transgender troops from military service likely violates their constitutional rights.

She delayed her order by three days to give the administration time to appeal.

“The court knows that this opinion will lead to heated public debate and appeals. In a healthy democracy, both are positive outcomes,” Reyes wrote. “We should all agree, however, that every person who has answered the call to serve deserves our gratitude and respect.”

The White House didn’t immediately respond to a message seeking comment.

Army reserves 2nd Lt Nicolas Talbott, one of 14 transgender active-duty service members named as plaintiffs in the lawsuit, said he was holding his breath as he waited to find out if he would be separated from the military next week.

“This is such a sigh of relief,” he said. “This is all I’ve ever wanted to do. This is my dream job, and I finally have it. And I was so terrified that I was about to lose it.”

The judge issued a preliminary injunction requested by attorneys for six transgender people who are active-duty service members and two others seeking to join the military.

On 27 January, Trump signed an executive order that claims the sexual identity of transgender service members “conflicts with a soldier’s commitment to an honorable, truthful, and disciplined lifestyle, even in one’s personal life” and is harmful to military readiness.

In response to the order, Pete Hegseth, the defense secretary, issued a policy that presumptively disqualifies people with gender dysphoria from military service. Gender dysphoria is the distress that a person feels because their assigned gender and gender identity don’t match. The medical condition has been linked to depression and suicidal thoughts.

Plaintiffs’ attorneys contend Trump’s order violates transgender people’s rights to equal protection under the fifth amendment.

Government lawyers argue that military officials have broad discretion to decide how to assign and deploy service members without judicial interference.


Reyes said she did not take lightly her decision to issue an injunction blocking Trump’s order, noting: “Judicial overreach is no less pernicious than executive overreach.” But, she said, it was also the responsibility of each branch of government to provide checks and balances for the others, and the court “therefore must act to uphold the equal protection rights that the military defends every day”.

Thousands of transgender people serve in the military, but they represent less than 1% of the total number of active-duty service members.

In 2016, a defense department policy permitted transgender people to serve openly in the military. During Trump’s first term in the White House, the Republican issued a directive to ban transgender service members. The supreme court allowed the ban to take effect. Former president Joe Biden, a Democrat, scrapped it when he took office.

Hegseth’s 26 February policy says service members or applicants for military service who have “a current diagnosis or history of, or exhibit symptoms consistent with, gender dysphoria are incompatible with the high mental and physical standards necessary for military service”.

The plaintiffs who sued to block Trump’s order include an army reserves platoon leader from Pennsylvania, an army major who was awarded a Bronze Star for service in Afghanistan, and a Sailor of the Year award-winner serving in the navy.

“The cruel irony is that thousands of transgender servicemembers have sacrificed – some risking their lives – to ensure for others the very equal protection rights the military ban seeks to deny them,” Reyes wrote.

Their attorneys, from the National Center for Lesbian Rights and Glad Law, said transgender troops “seek nothing more than the opportunity to continue dedicating their lives to defending the Nation.

“Yet these accomplished servicemembers are now subject to an order that says they must be separated from the military based on a characteristic that has no bearing on their proven ability to do the job,” the plaintiffs’ attorneys wrote. “This is a stark and reckless reversal of policy that denigrates honorable transgender servicemembers, disrupts unit cohesion, and weakens our military.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ocks-trump-executive-order-trans-military-ban

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

US judge blocks Trump’s ban on trans people serving in the military​

Judge Ana Reyes says president’s executive order likely violates constitutional rights of service members

A federal judge blocked Donald Trump’s executive order banning transgender people from military service on Tuesday.

US district judge Ana Reyes in Washington DC ruled that the president’s order to exclude transgender troops from military service likely violates their constitutional rights.

She delayed her order by three days to give the administration time to appeal.

“The court knows that this opinion will lead to heated public debate and appeals. In a healthy democracy, both are positive outcomes,” Reyes wrote. “We should all agree, however, that every person who has answered the call to serve deserves our gratitude and respect.”

The White House didn’t immediately respond to a message seeking comment.

Army reserves 2nd Lt Nicolas Talbott, one of 14 transgender active-duty service members named as plaintiffs in the lawsuit, said he was holding his breath as he waited to find out if he would be separated from the military next week.

“This is such a sigh of relief,” he said. “This is all I’ve ever wanted to do. This is my dream job, and I finally have it. And I was so terrified that I was about to lose it.”

The judge issued a preliminary injunction requested by attorneys for six transgender people who are active-duty service members and two others seeking to join the military.

On 27 January, Trump signed an executive order that claims the sexual identity of transgender service members “conflicts with a soldier’s commitment to an honorable, truthful, and disciplined lifestyle, even in one’s personal life” and is harmful to military readiness.

In response to the order, Pete Hegseth, the defense secretary, issued a policy that presumptively disqualifies people with gender dysphoria from military service. Gender dysphoria is the distress that a person feels because their assigned gender and gender identity don’t match. The medical condition has been linked to depression and suicidal thoughts.

Plaintiffs’ attorneys contend Trump’s order violates transgender people’s rights to equal protection under the fifth amendment.

Government lawyers argue that military officials have broad discretion to decide how to assign and deploy service members without judicial interference.


Reyes said she did not take lightly her decision to issue an injunction blocking Trump’s order, noting: “Judicial overreach is no less pernicious than executive overreach.” But, she said, it was also the responsibility of each branch of government to provide checks and balances for the others, and the court “therefore must act to uphold the equal protection rights that the military defends every day”.

Thousands of transgender people serve in the military, but they represent less than 1% of the total number of active-duty service members.

In 2016, a defense department policy permitted transgender people to serve openly in the military. During Trump’s first term in the White House, the Republican issued a directive to ban transgender service members. The supreme court allowed the ban to take effect. Former president Joe Biden, a Democrat, scrapped it when he took office.

Hegseth’s 26 February policy says service members or applicants for military service who have “a current diagnosis or history of, or exhibit symptoms consistent with, gender dysphoria are incompatible with the high mental and physical standards necessary for military service”.

The plaintiffs who sued to block Trump’s order include an army reserves platoon leader from Pennsylvania, an army major who was awarded a Bronze Star for service in Afghanistan, and a Sailor of the Year award-winner serving in the navy.

“The cruel irony is that thousands of transgender servicemembers have sacrificed – some risking their lives – to ensure for others the very equal protection rights the military ban seeks to deny them,” Reyes wrote.

Their attorneys, from the National Center for Lesbian Rights and Glad Law, said transgender troops “seek nothing more than the opportunity to continue dedicating their lives to defending the Nation.

“Yet these accomplished servicemembers are now subject to an order that says they must be separated from the military based on a characteristic that has no bearing on their proven ability to do the job,” the plaintiffs’ attorneys wrote. “This is a stark and reckless reversal of policy that denigrates honorable transgender servicemembers, disrupts unit cohesion, and weakens our military.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ocks-trump-executive-order-trans-military-ban

Cutting it a bit close to the deadline but I'm glad they blocked it. We need everyone we can get. Recruiting is hurting bad again