Social Trans people being removed from the military by Trump for being mentally unfit.

[Domitian]

Nobody serious believes that in the real world.
it's only online rhetoric and sophistry.

Imagine going to get a job in the army and saying hey i feel like i'm not complete unless i cut my arm off or i poke out one of my eyes. and i'd like the army to pay for it. imagine saying this and actually being allowed in ANY kind of job. But if it's cutting off your cock, oh yeah, sure, come right in! surely you're a sane individual!

of course not. trannies are batshit insane. and the argument "bbbut there's still jobs they can do!" is retarded and would get you laughed out of the room in the real world.

I agree with most of what you're saying. I do think these people could serve a role though. There needs to be cooks and people to do maintenance and various shit that doesn't involve combat. For every person on a battlefield there needs to be 3 or 4 people to assist behind the scene anyway. Just because they are batshit fucking insane there are still roles they can play.

 

[I Am Legion]

If someone has already fully transitioned and passes psych evals I say why not. But ZERO dollars should be spent on transitions on the military's and taxpayers tab. This was a main reason for them enlisting--free health care. And you can't have a guy with full tackle just identify as a woman and go in women's barracks. If you can't see the infringement on women's rights here, you are part of the problem.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Put another way you need to consider characters like Ben Affleck 'The Accountant' and Matt Damon's 'Good Will Hunting' character, both who showed degrees of mental illness that you could see could be a benefit to their job.

That is why you cannot simply create this structure that says 'these people have a degree of mental illness... disqualify them'.. as a blanket policy.

Many soldiers in battle, especially their first fire fights are dealing with PTSD and continue to deal with it long after the battle ends.

Should they all be instantly pulled from the battle field, after they make their first kill, if they are suffering from PTSD? Or do you assess them and only pull the ones who ultimately cannot cope with it and become a detriment?

Thnking you're trapped in the wrong body and having multiple personality syndrome while being addicted to mental health meds is no way, shape or form beneficial to ANY job let alone the military. These people belong nowhere near it and this is a great move.

 

[I Am Legion]

I find it unfortunate these people have been used the way they have. Yes, they are mentally ill and need help but I can't fault a person for wanting to serve their country. I don't think its the proper role for them but I don't like ridiculing a person who is trying their best. We should never have allowed this in the military. Mentally weak people should not be in military roles.

Physically weak as well. Should be 1 set of standards physically and mentally for everyone. The moment they lowered them for women and different races, you opened the door for this shit. Perfect example is the DEI hire Fire Chief in LA. A lesbian fat girl that was said to not be able to lay a ladder right. They questioned if only targeting the LBGTQ for hiring was a mistake because of the physical requirements. "What if you had to carry a man out of a fire". Her response was "“He got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out of a fire.”

I am all for anyone that can do the job, but 1 set of standards for all. Plenty of women and gays can pass. Plenty can't. Don't jeopardize lives and hire the ones that can't for diversity's sake. Goes for men as well, some can't.

 

[Domitian]

Physically weak as well. Should be 1 set of standards physically and mentally for everyone. The moment they lowered them for women and different races, you opened the door for this shit. Perfect example is the DEI hire Fire Chief in LA. A lesbian fat girl that was said to not be able to lay a ladder right. They questioned if only targeting the LBGTQ for hiring was a mistake because of the physical requirements. "What if you had to carry a man out of a fire". Her response was "“He got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out of a fire.”

I am all for anyone that can do the job, but 1 set of standards for all. Plenty of women and gays can pass. Plenty can't. Don't jeopardize lives and hire the ones that can't for diversity's sake. Goes for men as well, some can't.

Putting people in a position who can't do their job properly where they have other peoples lives at stake is the most insane thing.

 

[BjPenn2017]

Just the army? They are mentally unfit sickos they should be removed from every workplace and thrown in mental institutions

 

[ChosenOne]

I'm not talking about gays. I never said anything about gays.

You do not have to.

I am showing you history EXACTLY repeats itself and the people like you and many others, back then said and BELIEVED the exact same thing.

They had enough power to force gay people to remain closeted or be kicked claiming being gay was a mental illness. They believed and many still believe being gay is crazy and that no sane person would chose it, so it was only due to mental illness that they did.

And they were WRONG in that contention as many gay people served with distinction while being closeted PROVING you can be gay and serve with distinction.

I'm talking about people who decide they want to change their sex by having a transition surgery and deciding to have to take a bunch of drugs to maintain their efforts. That's fucking crazy my guy. No sane person does that or wants that.

I'm not saying I agree with what Trump did with his executive order. I think these people could maybe serve some type of role. But denying they have a form of mental illness is straight up delusional. Are you nuts?

Good thing at no time have denied anyone has mental illness. In fact i said exactly the opposite just above.

 

[Domitian]

You do not have to.

I am showing you history EXACTLY repeats itself and the people like you and many others, back then said and BELIEVED the exact same thing.

They had enough power to force gay people to remain closeted or be kicked claiming being gay was a mental illness. They believed and many still believe being gay is crazy and that no sane person would chose it, so it was only due to mental illness that they did.

And they were WRONG in that contention as many gay people served with distinction while being closeted PROVING you can be gay and serve with distinction.





Good thing at no time have denied anyone has mental illness. In fact i said exactly the opposite just above.

Why do you keep talking about gays? I have no problem with gays serving in the military and have never hinted anything otherwise. My main point was that anyone willing to go through a sex change surgery cutting off their body parts and having to constantly take drugs to maintain their delusional fantasies trying to be the opposite sex they were born with is 100% for sure definitive mental illness.

 

[ChosenOne]

I agree with most of what you're saying. I do think these people could serve a role though. There needs to be cooks and people to do maintenance and various shit that doesn't involve combat. For every person on a battlefield there needs to be 3 or 4 people to assist behind the scene anyway. Just because they are batshit fucking insane there are still roles they can play.

And how do you determine if one of these mentally ill people are capable enough to do these other roles which also have the power to put people at risk?


Once you answer that, the second question is 'if you can determine that thru examination can you also not deternmine if a soldier with PTSD can return to the battle field after suffering a big trauma, or if other people with other forms of mental illness challenges cannot go in to battlefield'?


If you say no to the second you would be pulling the vast majority of first time combat (kill) soldiers from the field as the expected PTSD is almost always there thus why troops that are already 'battle tested' are preferred to new troops.

 

[Domitian]

And how do you determine if one of these mentally ill people are capable enough to do these other roles which also have the power to put people at risk?


Once you answer that, the second question is 'if you can determine that thru examination can you also not deternmine if a soldier with PTSD can return to the battle field after suffering a big trauma, or if other people with other forms of mental illness challenges cannot go in to battlefield'?


If you say no to the second you would be pulling the vast majority of first time combat (kill) soldiers from the field as the expected PTSD is almost always there thus why troops that are already 'battle tested' are preferred to new troops.

The (hopefully) competent people who makes those decisions will evaluate whether the trans individual can do a certain job. If they can do the job, they can have the job. 20% of Americans have some form of mental illness, and in no way would I disqualify such a large portion of the population from being able to serve in some capacity.

 

[ChosenOne]

The (hopefully) competent people who makes those decisions will evaluate whether the trans individual can do a certain job. If they can do the job, they can have the job. 20% of Americans have some form of mental illness, and in no way would I disqualify such a large portion of the population from being able to serve in some capacity.

Right.

Which is exactly ALREADY how they determine if ANY person dealing with mental illness can do any of the jobs in the military, including combat. See my PTSD example.

So you seem to now agree with me. No blanket exclusions of any groups of people simply claiming 'mental illness' and instead as you now say 'we have (hopefully) competent people' who will assess the people with PTSD or other mental health challenges and decide whether they are fit for combat or can serve as a cook or other role.

There are a lot of people, who when faced with their first kill of another human or seeing fellow soldiers killed, can never return to combat but can serve in other roles in the military (cook, or other), but a lot more who are assessed and able to return to the battle field, which is why no such blanket declaration that all people dealing with PTSD (mental illness) should simply be excluded.

So again simply saying 'they are mentally ill... thus should not serve' is not enough reason. It must be case by case.

 

[Domitian]

Right.

Which is exactly ALREADY how they determine if ANY person dealing with mental illness can do any of the jobs in the military, including combat. See my PTSD example.

So you seem to now agree with me. No blanket exclusions of any groups of people simply claiming 'mental illness' and instead as you now say 'we have (hopefully) competent people' who will assess the people with PTSD or other mental health challenges and decide whether they are fit for combat or can serve as a cook or other role.

There are a lot of people, who when faced with their first kill of another human or seeing fellow soldiers killed, can never return to combat but can serve in other roles in the military (cook, or other), but a lot more who are assessed and able to return to the battle field, which is why no such blanket declaration that all people dealing with PTSD (mental illness) should simply be excluded.

So again simply saying 'they are mentally ill... thus should not serve' is not enough reason. It must be case by case.

I think you misunderstood me. I didn't say they cannot serve. I said it's undeniable they have some form of mental illness. As I stated in my follow up post earlier, I do think there are roles they can have.

 

[Andy Capp]

Putting people in a position who can't do their job properly where they have other peoples lives at stake is the most insane thing.

What evidence do you have that this is happening aside from the blanket assumption that being trans is automatically disqualifying?

The (hopefully) competent people who makes those decisions will evaluate whether the trans individual can do a certain job. If they can do the job, they can have the job. 20% of Americans have some form of mental illness, and in no way would I disqualify such a large portion of the population from being able to serve in some capacity.

But that's exactly what you're asserting should be done.

 

[Domitian]

What evidence do you have that this happening aside from the blanket assumption that being trans is automatically disqualifying?

I was speaking about the fire department. My comment was focused on this comment, not trans people.

"What if you had to carry a man out of a fire". Her response was "“He got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out of a fire.”

Is this an individual you would like to try to come save you when you're dying in a burning building?

 

[Andy Capp]

I was speaking about the fire department. My comment was focused on this comment, not trans people.

"What if you had to carry a man out of a fire". Her response was "“He got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out of a fire.”

Is this an individual you would like to try to come save you when you're dying in a burning building?

From everything I have seen ITT you assume trans people are unfit for combat positions and work backward from there whether there is evidence for it or not. True of false?

And the entire point is all these trans folks are individuals and to treat them otherwise is dumb.

 

[Andy Capp]

Inb4 #notalltrans

 

[Domitian]

From everything I have seen ITT you assume trans people are unfit for combat positions and work backward from there whether there is evidence for it or not. True of false?

My statements have been pretty clear. Take what you want from them but I'm sure it will be negative. You just tried to assign a comment I made about the fire department on trans people.

 

[Andy Capp]

My statements have been pretty clear. Take what you want from them but I'm sure it will be negative. You just tried to assign a comment I made about the fire department on trans people.

You know, it's really simple to search this thread for just your posts.

Right here, you agree with the assumption trans people are automatically unfit for combat.

I agree with most of what you're saying. I do think these people could serve a role though. There needs to be cooks and people to do maintenance and various shit that doesn't involve combat. For every person on a battlefield there needs to be 3 or 4 people to assist behind the scene anyway. Just because they are batshit fucking insane there are still roles they can play.

Why do you keep talking about gays? I have no problem with gays serving in the military and have never hinted anything otherwise. My main point was that anyone willing to go through a sex change surgery cutting off their body parts and having to constantly take drugs to maintain their delusional fantasies trying to be the opposite sex they were born with is 100% for sure definitive mental illness.

I'm not saying I agree with what Trump did with his executive order. I think these people could maybe serve some type of role. But denying they have a form of mental illness is straight up delusional. Are you nuts?

No, you're saying they can't be competent in a combat role. Yes, your statements have been pretty clear.

 

[Domitian]

You know, it's really simple to search this thread for just your posts.

Right here, you agree with the assumption trans people are automatically unfit for combat.


And that they can't be competent in a combat role. Yes, your statements have been pretty clear.

I wouldn't say automatically. I did say it's up to the higher ups to decide what role an individual should have. However, it's probably in the best interest of the mentally ill person to not be put in a combat situation for their own good and my nations own good.

 

[Andy Capp]

I wouldn't say automatically. I did say it's up to the higher ups to decide what role an individual should have. However, it's probably in the best interest of the mentally ill person to not be put in a combat situation for their own good and my nations own good.

LOL @ "I wouldn't say automatically" when I just demonstrated that's what you said.

So which is it? Can higher ups be trusted to make the evaluation? If so, why aren't you fuming about Trump's actions which will necessarily result in a depletion of skilled soldiers in the US Military instead of making the pointless argument that trans people are 100 percent for sure totally mentally ill?