Tom should just vacate the Interim belt.

[dipstickjimmy]

GSP defended against Condit cause Condit beat his original contender Diaz like what usually happens in interim fights that are made when the champ pulls out. The original contender fights another contender and then of course that winner is next in line.

Please tell us all how that's remotely comparable to this situation where Tom never beat Stipe and instead randomly fought Pav.

Its what GSP did not Tom. GSP Unified the belt BEFORE insisting on his match with Diaz who lost his fight against Condit and hadn't fought since. GSP was booked to fight Diaz before he got injured. Jon was booked to fight Stipe before he got injured. Exact same situation.

Stipe lost his last fight for the title. Diaz lost his last fight for the Interim title. Very similar.

GSP fought the Interim Champion who was crowned in his absence to Unify the title. Jon refused to fight the Interim Champion crowned in his absence. This is the divergence. Not every situation is going to be an exact identical situation and you keep trying to use that to justify your illogical stance.

BTW Stipe was not the champion he was just another contender. Again you choose random hills on which to stand. The UFC chose two fighters to fight for the Interim title and the Champion is supposed to fight the winner of that BEFORE they fight anyone else.

 

[markg171]

Its what GSP did not Tom. GSP Unified the belt BEFORE insisting on his match with Diaz who lost his fight against Condit and hadn't fought since. GSP was booked to fight Diaz before he got injured. Jon was booked to fight Stipe before he got injured. Exact same situation.

Stipe lost his last fight for the title. Diaz lost his last fight for the Interim title. Very similar.

GSP fought the Interim Champion who was crowned in his absence to Unify the title. Jon refused to fight the Interim Champion crowned in his absence. This is the divergence. Not every situation is going to be an exact identical situation and you keep trying to use that to justify your illogical stance.

BTW Stipe was not the champion he was just another contender. Again you choose random hills on which to stand. The UFC chose two fighters to fight for the Interim title and the Champion is supposed to fight the winner of that BEFORE they fight anyone else.

Diaz lost to Condit so GSP fought Condit first.

Stipe never lost to Tom so Jones continued to fight Stipe first.

The two situations are absolutely nothing alike.

The situation was instead like Bisping/GSP/Whittaker where nobody gave a fuck Whittaker won the interim cause he didn't win it against GSP who had the title shot. And so Bisping fought GSP, not Whittaker.

 

[Xanzito]

Brother this isn't a movie where a guy gives up a belt to make a point and everything works out.

Ask Cejudo how it goes

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Its what GSP did not Tom. GSP Unified the belt BEFORE insisting on his match with Diaz who lost his fight against Condit and hadn't fought since. GSP was booked to fight Diaz before he got injured. Jon was booked to fight Stipe before he got injured. Exact same situation.

Stipe lost his last fight for the title. Diaz lost his last fight for the Interim title. Very similar.

GSP fought the Interim Champion who was crowned in his absence to Unify the title. Jon refused to fight the Interim Champion crowned in his absence. This is the divergence. Not every situation is going to be an exact identical situation and you keep trying to use that to justify your illogical stance.

BTW Stipe was not the champion he was just another contender. Again you choose random hills on which to stand. The UFC chose two fighters to fight for the Interim title and the Champion is supposed to fight the winner of that BEFORE they fight anyone else.

@markg171 lying again?

Diaz lost to Condit so GSP fought Condit first.

Stipe never lost to Tom so Jones continued to fight Stipe first.

The two situations are absolutely nothing alike.

GSP fought Condit first not just because Condit beat Diaz (or else, why fight Diaz after at all?), he fought Condit because Condit was the interim champ. Like Tom and not Stipe.

The situation was instead like Bisping/GSP/Whittaker where nobody gave a fuck Whittaker won the interim cause he didn't win it against GSP who had the title shot. And so Bisping fought GSP, not Whittaker.

GSP, who was in negotiations to fight Woodley, was bumped up to fight Bisping because the interim champ, Whittaker, was not ready to fight because he got injured winning the interim championship (that's why he stayed interim champ until he was ready to fight, unlike Tony or Colby who got stripped because they got injured when the UFC was already seeking to unify). So no, you've actually picked a much less similar situation to compare.

We're not talking about a situation where they couldn't unify because the interim champ was injured (or unavailable because of contract negotiations) we are talking about a situation where both champs were ready and active, and they went a different direction than unification, which is the standard direction to go when that is the situation.

It's not crazy to me that the UFC uses double standards for certain fighters. That I get. But what boggles me is the fact that Jones stans not only don't admit it's a double standard in favor of Jones, they act like everyone else is using double standards to criticize him. They just conveniently forgot how unifications work, or how missed fights can get moved on from, or how contenders often get skipped if they sit, or how defending against contenders works, or how ranking ineligibility usually works for everyone else. No, all of that stuff is nonsense, everyone is just picking their own rules all of a sudden to suggest the champ should be defending his belt just cause it's Jones.

 

[Pepy]

Tom should switch to PFL where fighters are treated properly!

Chairman of PFL United Kingdom!

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Stipe was never offered the Interim fight. They couldn't risk him losing because Jon was only willing to fight Stipe. We've never had that situation before. Nor have we seen a champ allowed to demand someone be dragged out of retirement while refusing to fight any contenders. Thought Jon's HW run might actually bring some legitimacy to his career but it's just been a sham.

I think in this situation the blame is partly on the UFC, partly on Stipe and mostly on Jon.
Stipe seemed like he would only fight Jon since it was the biggest money. He was 42 and it was certainly his last fight if he lost.. He did indicate he would fight Tom if he won. Jon refused to show up as a HW and fight for years all while saying he is coming. Took him 3 + years to put on 11 lbs!!!

Diaz lost to Condit so GSP fought Condit first.

Stipe never lost to Tom so Jones continued to fight Stipe first.

The two situations are absolutely nothing alike.

The situation was instead like Bisping/GSP/Whittaker where nobody gave a fuck Whittaker won the interim cause he didn't win it against GSP who had the title shot. And so Bisping fought GSP, not Whittaker.

You are an obtuse moron. Jon is the alleged champion and an interim was created due to his injury. When the champ returns he is supposed to fight to Unify the belts. Jon refused to do that.

GSP vs Condit would be equal to Jon vs Tom. No reason Jon could not have fought to Unify other than he didn't want to. Champs aren't supposed to get to pick and choose.

Bisping vs GSP was booked long before Whittaker won an Interim title. You assertion if again patently false. Putting you back on ignore now since I forgot how thick headed you are.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

@markg171 lying again?


GSP fought Condit first not just because Condit beat Diaz (or else, why fight Diaz after at all?), he fought Condit because Condit was the interim champ. Like Tom and not Stipe.


GSP, who was in negotiations to fight Woodley, was bumped up to fight Bisping because the interim champ, Whittaker, was not ready to fight because he got injured winning the interim championship (that's why he stayed interim champ until he was ready to fight, unlike Tony or Colby who got stripped because they got injured when the UFC was already seeking to unify). So no, you've actually picked a much less similar situation to compare.

We're not talking about a situation where they couldn't unify because the interim champ was injured (or unavailable because of contract negotiations) we are talking about a situation where both champs were ready and active, and they went a different direction than unification, which is the standard direction to go when that is the situation.

It's not crazy to me that the UFC uses double standards for certain fighters. That I get. But what boggles me is the fact that Jones stans not only don't admit it's a double standard in favor of Jones, they act like everyone else is using double standards to criticize him. They just conveniently forgot how unifications work, or how missed fights can get moved on from, or how contenders often get skipped if they sit, or how defending against contenders works, or how ranking ineligibility usually works for everyone else. No, all of that stuff is nonsense, everyone is just picking their own rules all of a sudden to suggest the champ should be defending his belt just cause it's Jones.

You got the Whittaker thing a bit wrong. GSP vs Bisping was booked long before Whittaker fought for the Interim title. GSP vs Bisping was announded in March and Bobby Knuckles vs Romero happened in July while Bisping vs GSP happened in Nov.

 

[markg171]

GSP fought Condit first not just because Condit beat Diaz (or else, why fight Diaz after at all?), he fought Condit because Condit was the interim champ. Like Tom and not Stipe.

Seriously how fucking dumb to you have to be to write this

Bisping vs GSP was booked long before Whittaker won an Interim title. You assertion if again patently false. Putting you back on ignore now since I forgot how thick headed you are.

Re-read exactly what you just wrote very carefully and see if you can't see why you're the the thick headed moron here to not see that's exactly what happened with Jones/Stipe/Tom.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

You got the Whittaker thing a bit wrong. GSP vs Bisping was booked long before Whittaker fought for the Interim title. GSP vs Bisping was announded in March and Bobby Knuckles vs Romero happened in July while Bisping vs GSP happened in Nov.

It's much more complicated than that. GSP vs Bisping was being decided in March, but they were shooting for July because Bisping was coming off an injury. Then in May, 2 things happened: First, GSP revealed that he a) had an injury, and B) was struggling to put the weight on, and wouldn't be able to effectively make MW until November, which is why they started shooting for Woodley - GSP exactly like I said they were doing at that time. Secondly in May, they moved on to Bisping vs Romero instead in July, so Bisping vs GSP was well and truly off the table for sure, (underlined for the idiot creeping around here to understand). But Bisping stated he was still too injured to fight, which is how we got Romero-Whittaker for the interim, while Bisping was out and Dana was shooting to get GSP in against Woodley. That was, at least until the end of July when Whittaker was injured and Woodley shit the bed, so they went back to the original plans because there was a spot open, with Bisping finishing off his recovery and ready to defend, and GSP was ready to go in November like he said.

And that's why this:

Re-read exactly what you just wrote very carefully and see if you can't see why you're the the thick headed moron here to not see that's exactly what happened with Jones/Stipe/Tom.

is a stupid fuck


I feel like I need to break out crayons and draw over a timeline when Bisping, GSP, and Whittaker were all available to fight, because there was NEVER a moment that champ Bisping and interim champ Whittaker were both ready to go. So that situation is not comparable to this situation, where champ Jones and interim champ Tom were both active, uninjured, not dealing with any contract issues preventing them from booking a unification fight. There were zero hurdles to actually getting the unification done.

 

[markg171]

It's much more complicated than that. GSP vs Bisping was being decided in March, but they were shooting for July because Bisping was coming off an injury. Then in May, 2 things happened: First, GSP revealed that he a) had an injury, and B) was struggling to put the weight on, and wouldn't be able to effectively make MW until November, which is why they started shooting for Woodley - GSP exactly like I said they were doing at that time. Secondly in May, they moved on to Bisping vs Romero instead in July, so Bisping vs GSP was well and truly off the table for sure, (underlined for the idiot creeping around here to understand). But Bisping stated he was still too injured to fight, which is how we got Romero-Whittaker for the interim, while Bisping was out and Dana was shooting to get GSP in against Woodley. That was, at least until the end of July when Whittaker was injured and Woodley shit the bed, so they went back to the original plans because there was a spot open, with Bisping finishing off his recovery and ready to defend, and GSP was ready to go in November like he said.

And that's why this:

is a stupid fuck


I feel like I need to break out crayons and draw over a timeline when Bisping, GSP, and Whittaker were all available to fight, because there was NEVER a moment that champ Bisping and interim champ Whittaker were both ready to go. So that situation is not comparable to this situation, where champ Jones and interim champ Tom were both active, uninjured, not dealing with any contract issues preventing them from booking a unification fight. There were zero hurdles to actually getting the unification done.

You owning crayons would explain why you're struggling so hard to understand why interims where

- one of the fighters had the pre-existing title shot and the winner between those contenders obviously takes next
- none of the contenders fighting for the interim had the pre-existing title shot
- The fighter with the pre-existing title shot didn't fight in the interim and so also never lost to the interim

Don't end up all getting treated the same when they're not all the same.

Wild concept I know.

 

[Snake Fist]

I can think of a couple times when they at least planned to book another fighter instead.

When Ngannou was an injured champ, Gane got the interim belt, but UFC still planned for Ngannou vs Jon and if both had signed they would've booked it, not giving a shit about Gane.

During the end of Bisping's reign, Whittaker got the interim title, but I think they were planning Bisping vs GSP anyways. (Whittaker ended up getting injured himself though)

Fair points, Jones shit the bed when it first came to fighting Ngannou, and very few fans wanted the Bisping/GSP fight,as more deserving fighters were in line.

If those fights you mentioned went ahead, a shitstorm from fans would have followed not unsimilar to this , in going with a money fight as opposed to honouring the rankings.

It's not unreasonable in the slightest to want the fight that should go down.

What Jones is pulling really is the first of it's kind.