To the people who think GSP layed and prayed..

[Cracker666]

I do not think it is accurate to say he played it safe. I think he was always going for it but the issue was he in his immense skill set he just did not have the same level of elite finishing skill (Maia like sub's or Hendricks like Power) and when you are only fighting top 5 guys all the time you need that type of skill set or they can ride out a decision as soon as they realize they are out classed. In most of GSP's matches you saw the opponents literally go into defense, I don't want to be finished mode rather than risking going for a win.

When GSP retired there were tons of people clamouring about how the WW division was going to be exciting again as the guys at the top now Hendricks, COndit, Diaz, Lawler were a murderers row of finishers. But then someone posted a stat that as soon as these guys were only really fighting each other or other top 5 guys in that same time period their combined finish rate was worse than GSP's.

People just don't respect how tough it is without an elite finishing skill (like Anderson's striking or Maia's subs) to get finishes if you are fighting other elite guys and they stop going for it.

He was finishing people left and right before Serra. Then he decided to focus on wrestling to avoid standing up with fighters who might KO him. There are interviews with him saying how embarrassed he was after the Serra fight and how he was afraid to get knocked out again. It showed. Then he trained with Freddie Roach just so he could jab the shit out of everybody. Like I said, it’s pretty obvious. But people will see what they want to see.

 

[Cracker666]

Nah, GSP was so dominant in his bouts that his opponents were the one's playing it safe and hanging on for a decision.

I remember Hardy having this sense of victory of making it to the bell in a horribly 1 sided match.

Its hard to finish guys who have given up trying to finish and are just tryinf to survive

So it was just impossible for GSP to get a KO or a submission from all the time spent on the ground? And standing up, I know that jabs normally are knockout punches, but for some reason it just didn’t work for him.

 

[MikeMcMann]

He was finishing people left and right before Serra.

Thx for making my point. As I said, when the top elite guys only fight other top elite guys the finish rates tend to plummet.

GSP had 3 of his best finishes after the Serra loss.

And again, as a Fedor fan myself I invite you to look at Fedors overall finish rate and then run it again without the CAN fights and only against his top 5 HW comp.

Then he decided to focus on wrestling to avoid standing up with fighters who might KO him.

This is a usual troll type line that is repeated over and over despite being factually wrong. You can look through GSP's fight history and in most fights he mixes up distance striking (standing) as much as many other primarily standup fighters. He has only a few fights where he overly relies on grappling. But I could qote the fight metrics from Hughes, Bj, Kos, Alves, Condit, Diaz, Fitch, Shields, Hendricks all post Serra loss and show you how much stand up was done and the typically troll reply is to then switch over to say 'he was playing it safe by trying to jab them to death'.

here are interviews with him saying how embarrassed he was after the Serra fight and how he was afraid to get knocked out again. It showed. Then he trained with Freddie Roach just so he could jab the shit out of everybody.

lol. Nicely done. I had not even read this before I wrote the prior and your seamless transition between troll points was excellent. First off he 'refuses to stand because he does not need to due to hsi great wrestling and LnP' and then to cover for that 'he jabs the shit out of everybody'. Lol is he jabbing them on the ground or do you not see you are admitting he fights standing a lot to 'jab the shit out of everyone'.

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Like I said, it’s pretty obvious. But people will see what they want to see.

Yes you will. Troll.

 

[MikeMcMann]

So it was just impossible for GSP to get a KO or a submission from all the time spent on the ground? And standing up, I know that jabs normally are knockout punches, but for some reason it just didn’t work for him.

Jabs are typically set up punches and not KO punches, fyi.

 

[Rod Farva]

I bet if you told the guys he fought that he lay and prayed they would disagree

 

[TheRassler]

Those stats don't mean shit to those of us who suffered through his fights live. His fight with Hardy was probably how he tied Maia for subs, that was funny stuff that night. And in boxing anything besides a jab is considered a sig strike so I wouldn't put much into that stat either. I'm sure he also holds the record for getting his face rearranged by Jake Shields, no one else has accomplished that.

GSP isn't so different from me though cause I couldn't finish his fights either.

GSP got outboxed by jake Shields, that stat alone should eliminate any accomplishments GSP has had in striking.

 

[KoreanZawmbie]

Hes still a boring fighter who ducked real competition @ MW lol...

JK, hes still legit, but dont act like wasn't boring and non effective for the majority of the time.

 

[truthisfreedom]

He has the most strikes landed in the UFC, and the same number of submission attempts as BJJ wizard Demaian Maia.

He's landed the 4th most significant strikes in UFC history, and a significant strike defense of 73.1%

and those stats are while he's fighting top contenders in one of the most stacked divisions ever, cleaning his division out twice.

This post is everything that's wrong with UFC "fight fans".

TS is clearly a GSP ball licker, with 0 capacity to view the situation objectively. But you can bet that he's one of the first people to say that Usman lays and prays.

You people need to stop dick riding so much and try being more objective.

No logical person can look at GSPs body of work, and say that he doesn't lay and pray. He is the very definition of lay and pray.

 

[JoshR86]

So it was just impossible for GSP to get a KO or a submission from all the time spent on the ground? And standing up, I know that jabs normally are knockout punches, but for some reason it just didn’t work for him.

Lol Wut?? Not sure what any of that has to do with what i said.

That it is much harder to finish fighters who are just trying to survive, i dont think anyone will argue that Anderson Silva was a better finisher, but GSP was the better the fighter.

 

[Cracker666]

Jabs are typically set up punches and not KO punches, fyi.

Jabs are typically set up punches and not KO punches, fyi.

Right. That was sarcasm. That’s the point. Lots of jabbing is not known to knock people out. He was playing it safe. Darting in with a jab over and over. It’s a low risk move. If he weren’t playing it safe, we would have seen less jabbing.

The point of my reply was to point out how GSP fans act like It’s so hard to finish other top fighters. Yet many other champs have been known to do it. Even in the lower weight classes.

 

[Cracker666]

That it is much harder to finish fighters who are just trying to survive, i dont think anyone will argue that Anderson Silva was a better finisher, but GSP was the better the fighter.

This is an assumption. None of these fighters were running from GSP.

Second fight with Koscheck, Josh couldn’t see out of one eye from the 1st round on. How hard was GSP trying to finish a one eyed man?

 

[Y2Khaos]

Lay and pray seems like a term that everyone interprets differently. No real clean cut definition.

 

[Cracker666]

Thx for making my point. As I said, when the top elite guys only fight other top elite guys the finish rates tend to plummet.

GSP had 3 of his best finishes after the Serra loss.

And again, as a Fedor fan myself I invite you to look at Fedors overall finish rate and then run it again without the CAN fights and only against his top 5 HW comp.

This is a usual troll type line that is repeated over and over despite being factually wrong. You can look through GSP's fight history and in most fights he mixes up distance striking (standing) as much as many other primarily standup fighters. He has only a few fights where he overly relies on grappling. But I could qote the fight metrics from Hughes, Bj, Kos, Alves, Condit, Diaz, Fitch, Shields, Hendricks all post Serra loss and show you how much stand up was done and the typically troll reply is to then switch over to say 'he was playing it safe by trying to jab them to death'.




lol. Nicely done. I had not even read this before I wrote the prior and your seamless transition between troll points was excellent. First off he 'refuses to stand because he does not need to due to hsi great wrestling and LnP' and then to cover for that 'he jabs the shit out of everybody'. Lol is he jabbing them on the ground or do you not see you are admitting he fights standing a lot to 'jab the shit out of everyone'.



Yes you will. Troll.

First, calling me a troll does not make your argument stronger.

Second, I never called him a Lay N Prayer. I said he played it safe. Because he did.
After the first Serra fight, he focused strongly on wrestling. Notice I said “THEN he went to train with Freddie Roach”. That’s because I’m talking about different time frames. So as you can see, I don’t have to admit anything about him fighting standing up or on the ground, because I never stated anything contrary to this in the first place.

So take your straw man bullshit somewhere else.

 

[JoshR86]

This is an assumption. None of these fighters were running from GSP.

Second fight with Koscheck, Josh couldn’t see out of one eye from the 1st round on. How hard was GSP trying to finish a one eyed man?

Maia was one of the worst strikers to face Andy and yet Andy could not put him away or even come close. Why??

Because its hard to finish someone who doesn't engage and is only focused on surviving, if you ever grapple you'll understand how hard it is to submit someone who doesnt care about position or points and is only worried about not giving up a submission.

Kos did not engage or try to win that bout, yet you critisize GSP for not exposing himself and chasing after the finish and fighting like he was down 4 rounds and needing a finish to win. He wasnt, and nobody chases a KO when there up 3 rounds going into the 4th.

Also GSP's finish ratio declined a lot in 5 rounds bout as did with majority of fighters who became champions. It is harder ti finish in a 5 round than it is in a 3 round fight, you have to be more conscious of the amount of energy you expend and cant chase the finish

 

[Cracker666]

Maia was one of the worst strikers to face Andy and yet Andy could not put him away or even come close. Why??

Because its hard to finish someone who doesn't engage and is only focused on surviving, if you ever grapple you'll understand how hard it is to submit someone who doesnt care about position or points and is only worried about not giving up a submission.

Kos did not engage or try to win that bout, yet you critisize GSP for not exposing himself and chasing after the finish and fighting like he was down 4 rounds and needing a finish to win. He wasnt, and nobody chases a KO when there up 3 rounds going into the 4th.

Also GSP's finish ratio declined a lot in 5 rounds bout as did with majority of fighters who became champions. It is harder ti finish in a 5 round than it is in a 3 round fight, you have to be more conscious of the amount of energy you expend and cant chase the finish

I didn’t even read all that because Anderson was the one avoiding the fight most of the time.

 

[heatbag]

I'm not sure if GSP ever had a ref stand him up for inactivity. If he did it is only a time or two.

 

[Perrichet]

This post is everything that's wrong with UFC "fight fans".

TS is clearly a GSP ball licker, with 0 capacity to view the situation objectively. But you can bet that he's one of the first people to say that Usman lays and prays.

You people need to stop dick riding so much and try being more objective.

No logical person can look at GSPs body of work, and say that he doesn't lay and pray. He is the very definition of lay and pray.

Spoken like a true butthurt Anderoid nuthugger

 

[FloydMayweatherMMA]

he is the king of random excuses. if he keeps fighting (god willing) he will get exposed and truth will come out.

I like how "getting exposed" still gets reached for in hope, 20-something fights into his career.

 

[JoshR86]

I didn’t even read all that because Anderson was the one avoiding the fight most of the time.

No Andy was a counter puncher, and if you didnt push the pace and try and get a win thengg anyone could easily lose a decision to Andy.

 

[Koimpact]

GSP had arguably the highest fight IQ we've seen in the sport