News Titanic Tours Submersible missing in atlantic ocean

[GearSolidMetal]

We've been told everyone in the submarine died instantly.

I've heard some question this, and although I was sure that was true I couldn't be more specific than 'it was alot of pressure.'

This video goes into grizzly detail.



TLDR : The implosion basically was like a large bomb going off within the small submarine. They were completely pulverized instantaneously without their nervous system could detect pain and transfer it to the brain.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Wow I listened to the father son pair that Rush tried to convince going on the trip but didn't do it for safety concerns. Rush brushed them of belittling them and behaved like a con man. This would have happened either way at some point. An egomaniac who had no problems putting others into dangerous situations while lying to them and himself about the risks. The opposite of what you want as an engineer.

Reminds me of Jeff Goldblum trying to get women to go through his Telepod in The Fly. I did it, it worked great, what are you chicken?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Reminds me of Jeff Goldblum trying to get women to go through his Telepod in The Fly. I did it, it worked great, what are you chicken?

That's why the CEO's talking point the sub was helped designed & manufactured by NASA & Washington University, which is a lie, is particularly insidious.

Also the 19-year old? He didn't want to get on the submarine, but his dad already paid for the $250K trip and he didn't want to disappoint his dad for Fathers Day.


I'm sure we all would like to believe we'd not get on that sub.

But, we all don't want to be cowards in the eyes of our fathers.

Something to think about.

 

[BisexualMMA]

That's why the CEO's talking point the sub was helped designed & manufactured by NASA & Washington University, which is a lie, is particularly insidious.

Also the 19-year old? He didn't want to get on the submarine, but his dad already paid for the $250K trip and he didn't want to disappoint his dad for Fathers Day.

I'm sure we all would like to believe we'd not get on that sub. But, we all wouldn't want to be cowards in the eyes of our fathers.

I don't blame anyone for getting on the sub...even a completely mature adult never mind a 19 year old trying to make his Dad happy. Like I said earlier if someone is charging $250K for a trip on this thing...it creates an impression of testing and safety and engineering. We get on planes and elevators all the time without inspecting them. This guy can't really be charging a quarter million dollars to crawl into an eggshell can he?

It had a joystick controller but maybe that is a good way to control this thing. It has wires hanging around the outside but maybe this guy is committed to function over form.

Turns out this guy was basically a mad scientist doing the underwater equivalent of Frankenstein shit. Sounds kind of like a persistent manic to be honest.

I am sure I did dumber things at 19 than get onto this rickety ass sub...and with nowhere near the upside of simultaneously seeing the Titanic and making my family happy.

 

[Halifax]

He fired the “50 year old white guys” who advised him of the dangers. Rich, out of touch billionaires are just determined to get woke, go broke.

I doubt he was woke.
That was just his talking point so he could use cheap inexperienced young laborers he could pay less Who wouldn't be focused on safety due to experience.

 

[Goonerview]

I doubt he was woke.
That was just his talking point so he could use cheap inexperienced young laborers he could pay less Who wouldn't be focused on safety due to experience.

He got crushed into the size of a cola can because he wanted to scalp a few more dollars?

The world has become very greedy.

 

[Bojka]

That's why the CEO's talking point the sub was helped designed & manufactured by NASA & Washington University, which is a lie, is particularly insidious.

Also the 19-year old? He didn't want to get on the submarine, but his dad already paid for the $250K trip and he didn't want to disappoint his dad for Fathers Day.


I'm sure we all would like to believe we'd not get on that sub.

But, we all don't want to be cowards in the eyes of our fathers.

Something to think about.

I wouldn't have gotten on. I remember one time around the same age my friends and I went camping to the mountains. There was a river that due to its unusually high water level had overflowed into a pond. My friends were wanting to ride down the river and paddle themselves into the part of the river that emptied into the pond like it was a ride.

I was the only one who had brought a life jacket. I was also the only one who refused to tube down the river like an idiot, which was rather fast and turbulent (people were white water rafting down it).

I asked my friends if they wanted to use the life jacket. They were all too macho to use one.

2 of my friends easily could've drowned that day. One failed to paddle himself sufficiently left into the pond and was getting taken by the river. He ended up grabbing onto a tree that was hanging over the river like in the cartoons. A woman ended up having to help him out and the water was so aggressive that his shorts ended up at his ankles so he was completely exposed to the woman who was helping him out.

Another guy failed to get far enough left and he was screaming for help while he was in the middle of the river like 30 feet away. Like we were supposed to throw a lassoo at him or something. He ended up paddling just far enough so that when he fell out of his tube he was in sufficiently shallow water to get out. We still make fun of him for this (him screaming "guuuuys HELP!").

Young guys especially can be pretty big idiots, but I have always been very risk averse. Mob or group behaviour or being seen as a coward will never encourage me to take dumb risks. I have more than one story like this.

 

[Bojka]

It's like Stockton Rush was doing some ritual to ensure the operation was cursed. Naming his rustbucket the Titan. Calling his company OceanGate. Selling tickets to go visit a mass grave. Issuing famous last words at every opportunity. Probably had a fucking pentagram on his sub and made his carbon fiber out of Holocaust ashes.

I actually never even realized the irony of it being named the Titan until now.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Young guys especially can be pretty big idiots, but I have always been very risk averse. Mob or group behaviour or being seen as a coward will never encourage me to take dumb risks. I have more than one story like this.

Same here. I’ve always marched to the beat of my own drummer -its well known amongst people who know me- there’s no way to talk me into something. It’s wasted oxygen.

 

[ralphc1]

What a joke this whole thing was. I had just assumed this private tour was certified and pretty much safe.

Why the fuck did this guy use carbon fiber? Just to be cheap for the sake of being cheap?

He probably wanted something that could float back to the surface on it's own once ballast was dropped. Carbon fiber is, pound for pound, stronger than most metals in the right situation. It's why it was developed in the first place. As has been pointed out in this thread, it is stronger in tension than compression. High pressure tanks for hydrogen vehicles are made out of it but in that situation, the pressure is on the inside so the carbon fiber matrix is under tension.

 

[lakersfan45]

I actually never even realized the irony of it being named the Titan until now.

The titan will be even better

 

[ralphc1]

Titanium and steel aren't as inspirational as papier mache and eggshells though. Don't fuck with my innovation bro.

If nobody ever experimented with materials, humans would still be using rocks and sticks and living in caves. When William Beebe decided that he wanted to go deeper in the ocean than could be done with the methods that exposed the divers to the water pressure, he decided he needed a sealed chamber and wanted a cylindrical chamber. Otis Barton convinced Beebe that a cylinder would not be strong enough and produced a design for a spherical shape. It was cast out of steel and called the Bathysphere. It was raised and lowered by using a cable and winch. Their deepest dive was just over 3,000 feet.

It also had a bolted on hatch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathysphere

 

[aerius]

I don't think it's cheaper than steel.

As a raw material, carbon is more expensive than steel. However, making a pressure vessel of that size out of carbon is a lot easier & cheaper for a startup company to do than making it out of metal; you buy the fibre, wind & lay it out in the mould, then bake & cure it. A startup can buy the materials and rent all the tools & facilities to build one.

Metal gets more complicated. You need giant forging presses & rolling mills to make all the parts plus the trained machinists & welders to put it all together. There's only a limited number of facilities in the world with the equipment to do this and they're usually booked solid years in advance making things like giant turbine shafts and nuclear reactor pressure vessels. Fitting sub parts into their production schedule is gonna cost you, big time, in both time & money.

 

[BisexualMMA]

If nobody ever experimented with materials, humans would still be using rocks and sticks and living in caves. When William Beebe decided that he wanted to go deeper in the ocean than could be done with the methods that exposed the divers to the water pressure, he decided he needed a sealed chamber and wanted a cylindrical chamber. Otis Barton convinced Beebe that a cylinder would not be strong enough and produced a design for a spherical shape. It was cast out of steel and called the Bathysphere. It was raised and lowered by using a cable and winch. Their deepest dive was just over 3,000 feet.

It also had a bolted on hatch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathysphere

We have come a long way in protocols and methodology. You had to be a daredevil of sorts to achieve some of those things back in the day. That is not the case with underwater exploration in 2023...unless someone personally insists on injecting undue risk into the equation.

Stockton Rush had the received wisdom of decades of this field at his disposal.

He can test his unclassed carbon fiber ostrich egg all he wants...with either nobody in it or just himself. Selling tickets to people to play Russian roulette is not the same spirit as what got us out of caves.

The entire industry was telling this guy to stop fucking around. Instead he went and patented his "early carbon fiber compromise detection" system and stuck it all over this floating grenade. So it could let him know he was fucked one second before he was turned into mush.

By all means go and test your carbon fiber stuff. Don't test it with a teenager inside.

This guy wasn't a visionary maverick. He was a fucking asshole.

 

[ralphc1]

He got crushed into the size of a cola can because he wanted to scalp a few more dollars?

The world has become very greedy.

I don't know if it was a profit motive or having too much faith in his design. Belief is a powerful motivator and when someone else doesn't share that belief, it might force him to reconsider so he wanted to be surrounded by those who would believe in his design. No matter what anyone believes or how many believe it, sooner or later reality can put and end to it. It's like a religion.

Rush likely never realized his design failed because he died so quickly. I used this flow calculator with an example of the 21 inch viewing port failing to see how fast water would enter at 5,500 psi and it's 16,239 gallons per second. If the carbon fiber tube failed it would be a much larger flow rate. The end bells might have crashed together like cymbals.

 

[deadshot138]

It’s sad and all but those people have never been closer

 

[Dream Evil]

Maybe he trained an octopus trained to use a 3/4” impact wrench which opened it up at a predetermined depth.
Unlikely, but weirder things have happened!

Octopi are smart AF. I agree this is the most likely scenario.

 

[MicroBrew]

Octopi are smart AF. I agree this is the most likely scenario.

They are cool as eff. Would love to have a massive acquarium and one as a pet.

 

[Volador]

If nobody ever experimented with materials, humans would still be using rocks and sticks and living in caves.

But the thing is, there’s people who are experimenting with materials in an intelligent way. At one point in history you needed to experiment with shitty designs and little information was available, but that’s not the world we live in right now.

James Cameron went 3x as deep using a thing he commissioned from a private firm, but it had all the industry standard certifications and was tested independently by the relevant international agencies at various depths, through simulation, and so on. And, you know, it worked. Plus he didn’t get other people on it, knowing the risks. So there are already tried and tested procedures that produce good results, and guidelines for what is appropriate for commercial usage and what is not, and you can innovate in that context. By what I’ve seen, catastrophic failures like this are not common when following the standards.

So this dude wasn’t merely experimenting. He deluded himself into thinking he was smarter than everyone else and thinking he had produced some totally novel design, and ignored the opinions of all the other experts in the field while taking on huge risk. Peer review is a huge part of scientific innovation, and he just totally flouted it. And he was so deluded that he was willing to bring other people down with him. I agree with you that imo his main motivation was a strange sense of pride in his position as a forward thinker than financial gain. It’s an interesting story from a human mentality pov.

 

[TXstriker]