News Titanic Tours Submersible missing in atlantic ocean

The Clinch said:
The Titanic itself is corroding away to the point it could be basically gone by 2030.

There will be no sort of monument or structure to see before too long.
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Are you kidding, these guys just created a new one right next door.

you know in a year or two, there will be some kind of expedition back down to the sub to place a plaque or something.
 
MicroBrew said:
As they were descending , as the pressure got higher and higher, wouldn't there have been sounds of the structure cracking? So wouldn't they come to the realization the vessel was going to break-up?
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Yes I wonder about this too. I think they may have HEARD or FELT the structure suffering and potentially starting to buckle. But we'll never know. Even if someone was video'ing on-board at the time, any video equipment is almost certainly completely destroyed. There's no black box on these things either.
It simply wasn't designed right, wasn't buil;t right, wasn't tested right and Mr Lockridge was correct with his worries (ex-employee).

I would say it's 90% probable the carbon-fiber cylinder part of the hull gave way. They were close to max.depth at that time. Makes sense.
 
Doughie99 said:
Yes I wonder about this too. I think they may have HEARD or FELT the structure suffering and potentially starting to buckle. But we'll never know. Even if someone was video'ing on-board at the time, any video equipment is almost certainly completely destroyed. There's no black box on these things either.
It simply wasn't designed right, wasn't buil;t right, wasn't tested right and Mr Lockridge was correct with his worries (ex-employee).

I would say it's 90% probable the carbon-fiber cylinder part of the hull gave way. They were close to max.depth at that time. Makes sense.
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I don’t doubt they probably heard something. If submarine movies have taught me anything, it’s that there’s tons of creaking and cracking on a descent so that might have sounded normal
 
Innovation is very important in any field, but it actually has to be tested to understand what works and what doesnt, otherwise dumb shit like this happens
 
Doughie99 said:
it didnt hit the titanic, it imploded approx 300meters above seabed and the debris field is 1600ft (500meters) from the titanic on a smooth flat seabed and there is no titanic debris in that area.
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Ah, I missed that. They actually know it imploded 300 meters above the seabed? How can they tell that?
 
Dream Evil said:
The point may have been raised already, but if the thing plummeted into the wreckage of the Titanic and caused damage to it/made it collapse or something, is there any liability there? Destruction of a grave site/historical artifact or something? Even if it was unintentional seems like as an explorer you should bear some responsibility for it.
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most of debris were found 1600ft away from the Titanic wreckage.

and the explorers died, would be pretty hard to charge them of any crimes. I mean you can put it on their gravestone i guess "Here lay the Titanic Wrecker"

And its in international waters, its not exactly a lawful place.
 
K1levelgrappler said:
I haven’t read the whole thread so this might have come up already but in case it didn’t here’s some gruesome details from the Byford Dolphin accident in the 80’s. It’s not perfectly analogous to what happened in the sub but it gives you an idea of what extreme pressure can do to the human body.

https://www.todayifoundout.com/inde...t-gruesome-death-the-byford-dolphin-accident/

Byford Dolphin was a semi-submersible offshore oil rig built by Aker Engineering of Oslo in 1974. Weighing 3000 tons and manned by a crew of 100, it was capable of drilling in waters up to 460 meters in depth. To allow construction and maintenance of the wellhead at these depths, the rig was equipped with a sophisticated Saturation Diving system built by French firm COMEX. On November 5, 1983, the rig was drilling in the Frigg Gas Field in the Norwegian sector of the North Sea. At 4AM, British divers Edwin Coward and Roy Lucas were resting in the dive chamber while Norwegian divers Bjorn Bergersen and Truls Hellevik were returning from their shift in the transfer capsule. The capsule was hoisted from the water and docked to the dive chamber by diving tenders William Crammond and Martin Saunders, allowing Bergerson and Hellevik to climb through a short trunk to join Coward and Lucas.The normal procedure was for the divers to first seal off the trunk and isolate the chamber so the tenders could depressurize the capsule and detach it from the airlock. But before Hellevik could close the chamber hatch, William Crammond released the clamp securing the capsule to the trunk.

The results were immediately and horrific. The capsule violently decompressed and blasted away from the trunk, killing Crammond and severely injuring Saunders, while inside the chamber the pressure dropped instantaneously from 9 atmospheres to one in an instant. Hellevik, crouching in the trunk, was blown apart, scattering body parts across the rig deck. One observer described finding his liver “complete as if dissected out of the body,” while part of his spine was found 10 meters above the chamber on the rig derrick. The other divers in the chamber fared little better. Autopsies of Coward, Lucas, and Berergsen revealed lumps of white fat clogging their arteries and veins – proteins which had cooked and precipitated as their blood flash-boiled. Mercifully, all four divers are believed to have died instantly and painlessly.
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Yeah this was a pretty nasty ordeal. The incident at this place should have never of happened but one of the guys was a little too hasty and the safety mechanisms weren't up to date or just flat out nonexistent.

Going through airlocks or personnel/equipment hatches that aren't properly sealed feels weird as hell.
 
Randlewand said:
To be fair, their Typhoon class submarines were basically the best of the best. War politics aside
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Don’t doubt it.

Seem to recall a far worse Russian submarine disaster 20 odd years ago, where their arrogance and failure to accept help cost them 100s of men.

*This might have been a film.
 
Randlewand said:
To be fair, their Typhoon class submarines were basically the best of the best. War politics aside
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Don’t doubt it.

Seem to recall a far worse Russian submarine disaster 20 odd years ago, where their arrogance and failure to accept help cost them 100s of men.

*This might have been a film.
 
surgeyou1 said:
Sounds like they died instantly. Better than suffering from lack of oxygen and water.
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Thats what I was thinking especially for the father and son. Its like Kobe and his daughter, instant death. Sad but better then suffering and knowing that you and your child are going to die.
 
MicroBrew said:
Yeah that's the only consoling development in all of this, that they died instantly. A friend of the men onboard says they would died in miliseconds; they wouldn't even realize what was happening.

As they were descending , as the pressure got higher and higher, wouldn't there have been sounds of the structure cracking? So wouldn't they come to the realization the vessel was going to break-up?
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thats what i was wondering to, would they have heard a little crack then the next second BAM!
 
JackWhite said:
Man, I still can't get my head around them going down there in that tight of a space; inside the submarine. Thinking about that just creeps me out.

Sad that they lost their lives doing something so ill fated.
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I wouldn't even enter that thing to go to the bottom of one of the Great lakes, where the survivial odds are several orders of magnitude greater because of the far shallower depths and closer access to rescue services. To be bolted shut from the outside, with 5 other people inside, and go to that depth is just insane.
 
RollSonnenRoll said:
I don’t doubt they probably heard something. If submarine movies have taught me anything, it’s that there’s tons of creaking and cracking on a descent so that might have sounded normal
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actually....thinking about it...I believe they DID know the hull was starting to fail.
2 bits of info on this :
1) there were reports of a "mayday" signal sent topside on Sunday morning before all comms were lost. I read that in several places online.
2) an ocean rescue guy (Mr David Mearns) on Skynews.com said today that the implosion happened on ASCENT. somehow he knows that. Maybe he has seen the "mayday" message or something, because he definitely said on ASCENT. So ...that sounds like they realized shit was going wrong and started to ascend fast but it was too late and the hull imploded.

Yes, confirmed David Mearns said he was told on Monday in a phone call that the problem happened "ON ASCENT". It's in a 2m17s video on this page :
https://news.sky.com/story/titanic-...ly-waiver-mentions-death-three-times-12905748
The only reason they'd be ASCENDING before they got to the seafloor is if they KNEW they had a very big problem and they chose to go UP immediately, presumably in an effort to immediately reduce hull pressure.

so....those two bits of info lead me to think that the 5 men KNEW that things had gone very wrong. The end would have been super-quick and painless but....i think they knew the hull was creaking or about to fail.
 
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These guys stated they were inspired by aviation, but they apparently didnt know anything about how airplane design and development work. This is really basic stuff. I don't even understand what they were thinking.
 
I truly believe this is these guys creating their own deaths and changing their identity. It is not impossible but is possible
 
I’m both impressed they found the wreck so quickly and that it was so close to the Titanic wreck.

Humanity is fucking A.
 
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