Tim Kennedy's right wing views?

[countswagula]

Ok, that's what I thought. This was during Mandela's PRESIDENCY. Not during his "terrorist" days. I'm not sure how this is relevant.

It's relevant in that he destroyed South Africa's economy during his presidency, arguably as evil as any of the mall bombings or Necklacing he was associated with during his terrorist days.

 

[Mr Boogaloo]

failing to make a kind statement about nelson mandela brings the ufc into disrepute. maybe they should cut him.

 

[Squarechoke]

I do not in any way disagree with what you said here, friend. The various social crimes and upheaval in SA over the past century will certainly create a situation where desperate and hate-filled people do fucked up things.

I don't see how that necessarily makes what Kennedy said wrong. My understanding of the Mandela was that he was jailed for his various terrorist activities, many of which were responsible for significant civilian casualties. So while he probably did some good in his later life he certainly did plenty of bad prior to that. Not everyone who knows the facts about Mandela (at least, so far as my understanding goes) would judge him as a great man, or a good person. His life was a very complicated struggle, but many of the acts he was involved in were deplorable.

Mandela certainly did bad things. A "revolution" rarely comes without cost and people will definitely debate where that line should be drawn, and of course he's done bad things past that as well.

I somehow can't imagine that Kennedy would be one of the strongest opponents to killing people to make things "right" (subjective), given his military history. Plenty of people, including civilians, have been killed in the conflicts he's been stationed in.

 

[zephid]

He probably knows how prosperous the white minority in South Africa was during the segregation.

Fixws it for you.

 

[MADDSNIPER]

Mandela was not imprisoned for opposing apartheid, or segregation, in Africa, but for being a terrorist murderer / bomber.

The ANC

 

[spankdaddy]

Mandela certainly did bad things. A "revolution" rarely comes without cost and people will definitely debate where that line should be drawn, and of course he's done bad things past that as well.

I somehow can't imagine that Kennedy would be one of the strongest opponents to killing people to make things "right" (subjective), given his military history. Plenty of people, including civilians, have been killed in the conflicts he's been stationed in.

Good point.

 

[Squarechoke]

The Welfare state has completely destroyed the back family in America, an institution that had up until then survived slavery and harsh civil discrimination. If you tell an underprivileged group that they are where they are through no fault of their own and feed their inherent need to find a group to blame, you also convey a very powerful message that there's nothing they can do to get out of their hole, when in fact leaving poverty in the US is extremely easy compared to other parts of the world.

But instead what you have are parents who never get any sort of an education, don't manage to stick to any one job, mothers that have children by thugs and quickly become separated(since the State will foot the bills for the kids), and a continuous cycle of children brought up without any sort of functional family environment and a lingering message there's really nothing they should be doing, it's just the evil whites keeping them down.

There are different ways of elevating an oppressed group. The US is a great example of that it's not enough just to give people freedom after such events. Within my parents lifetime black people couldn't even sit everywhere they wanted on a bus, and it's very naive to think that various groups aren't treated differently even today. It's a gradual process that takes a long time to get going.

You don't have to elevate people by just giving them money, you can do it in other ways as well. You mention education and that's one way to complement it.

Welfare hasn't sent my country down the drain though. We have consistently had a pretty well educated population and are consistently ranked in the top among countries to live in and happy populations. If anything we've rated lower when we've had governments that take away some of the welfare. Welfare in itself can't be the problem.

 

[Eventual]

Lol @ silly white boys who know so good how the apartheid was in South Africa and who is right or wrong.
It's very easy to form an opinion from your comfortable chair.......

 

[spankdaddy]

The Welfare state has completely destroyed the back family in America, an institution that had up until then survived slavery and harsh civil discrimination. If you tell an underprivileged group that they are where they are through no fault of their own and feed their inherent need to find a group to blame, you also convey a very powerful message that there's nothing they can do to get out of their hole, when in fact leaving poverty in the US is extremely easy compared to other parts of the world.

But instead what you have are parents who never get any sort of an education, don't manage to stick to any one job, mothers that have children by thugs and quickly become separated(since the State will foot the bills for the kids), and a continuous cycle of children brought up without any sort of functional family environment and a lingering message there's really nothing they should be doing, it's just the evil whites keeping them down.

Man, this is so beyond the topic of Mandela. This irrelevant to the topic and purely misguided ideology. As a kind advice I'd recommend you stop listening exclusively to FoxNews because you're living in a bubble.

 

[betyourlife82]

I like his fighting skills but he says a lot of annoying things. He particularly got on my nerves when he bitterly posted about Werdum after his boy Browne got beat. Said something like he felt terrible seeing Browne lose but we can all agree Werdum will get destroyed by Cain. Different levels.

Not a cool comment to make in my opinion. Came across as bitter and petty- your training partner lost so youre going to try to diminish the guy who beat him by saying Cain will destroy him.

Lmao... the only post that kept it about MMA. Well done

 

[trident]

You are the one who is uneducated, the reason he was in prison all those years is because he had a death squad that killed any one who disagreed with him, white or black, he did not care. He was a committed communist, and did not believe in freedom. The left wing in this country made him a star, but I bet his after death trip was down not up.

Holy shit I didn't know a person could be so retarded. Yeah, Mandela had a "death squad" and that innocent ol Aparthied state didn't. Go drown yourself in tar.

 

[Squarechoke]

Lol @ silly white boys who know so good how the apartheid was in South Africa and who is right or wrong.
It's very easy to form an opinion from your comfortable chair.......

I'm always going to listen more to those that give arguments about the issue than people that only offer opinions about the people in the discussion. The latter offer nothing of worth whatsoever.

 

[countswagula]

A+ post MADDSNIPER

 

[Exemplar]

Thread derailment... I love how the immature, intolerent or want-to-be political science types on this forum love to take any advantage of something Kennedy expressed about a political figure with a very two-sided history. So what... he seems to view Madela's early history as being more significant than the later.

Does a fighter's every freely spoken comment--especially when it was not that harsh--have to fucking spiral out of control and become a Dem vs Rep or a Capitalism vs Communism thread... /sigh

 

[Codpiece]

Mandela certainly did bad things. A "revolution" rarely comes without cost and people will definitely debate where that line should be drawn, and of course he's done bad things past that as well.

I somehow can't imagine that Kennedy would be one of the strongest opponents to killing people to make things "right" (subjective), given his military history. Plenty of people, including civilians, have been killed in the conflicts he's been stationed in.

But then Kennedy may believe that his causes were somehow more just, since he was involved in them and possibly therefore had a better understanding of them than he has of the social and political situation in SA over the past few decades.

I guess that's what I really was trying to say: since we can say for certain that Mandela did participate in atrocities how anyone judges his life will be a matter of individual values, knowledge of the environment Mandela operated in and so forth. I certainly don't think anyone who doesn't consider Mandela a hero should be vilified for that in any way.

 

[jlj49er]

Can an admin move this to the war room already?

I don't see anything wrong with Kennedy's statement. Everyone knows Mandela was a murderous communist terrorist and the only person more twisted than him in SA would be his wife.

I'd have to say the violent, racist government they were fighting may have been more twisted than them.

 

[countswagula]

Man, this is so beyond the topic of Mandela. This irrelevant to the topic and purely misguided ideology. As a kind advice I'd recommend you stop listening exclusively to FoxNews because you're living in a bubble.

There is no Fox News where I live. The topic of Mandela wasn't the original point of discussion either, that was Middleweight MMA fighter Tim Kennedy, but as you can clearly see debates can go to different places if let be.

 

[trident]

lol @ the "we need guns to defend from tyrannical government" crew being against the use of guerrilla warfare against a government with racial laws.

Perfect comment. You get the gold.

 

[kalabula]

You are the one who is uneducated, the reason he was in prison all those years is because he had a death squad that killed any one who disagreed with him, white or black, he did not care. He was a committed communist, and did not believe in freedom. The left wing in this country made him a star, but I bet his after death trip was down not up.

Oh no! Sherdog history lesson.

I dont know much about this but I would take everything said here with a grain of salt.

 

[Robespierre]

South africa was extremely racist country where black people were second class citizens, but it seems that here in sherdog the history is different.