TIK TOK bans girl for being critical of China

[SammyPops]

Using Tik Tok has nothing to do with your right to free speech.

Tik Tok is obligated to their shareholders.

Wrong. Its parent company is Chinese. Its just like Huawei and EVERY other Chinese companies. Just do not answer to shareholders. They anser to the Chinese government.

Why do Westerners not get this?.

 

[Rational Poster]

Wrong. Its parent company is Chinese. Its just like Huawei and EVERY other Chinese companies. Just do not answer to shareholders. They anser to the Chinese government.

Why do Westerners not get this?.

ByteDance is a private company. Of course it has significant financial interest in China and their main market is China, so they're going to cater to that market.. but they are an internationally traded company.

"The company is backed by Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, SoftBank Group, Sequoia Capital, General Atlantic, and Hillhouse Capital Group."

Even still, this isn't evidence of the Chinese government impacting American's speech. This is evidence of American culture seeping into the Chinese bubble and their resistance to it.

 

[RoosterHucklebuck]

I just heard about this Tik Tok yesterday when someone shared a video of a fat kid smacking a Lowe's workers hat off of his head and posting the video on Tik Tok. He now has 175,000 followers on Tik Tok because of it.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Leftists now support mainland china because orange man bad.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Do people still use AIM?

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[BForrester]

Is this becoming the new norm?
How do we feel about China's politics having influence over our speech?

https://www.tubefilter.com/2019/12/...-china-muslims-bytendance-chinese-government/

Until Americans show some principle in mass boycotts of these social media apps, they'll continue to do this crap. If we're not willing to hit their bottom line, the behavior will not change.

Unfortunately, by and large, we like to talk about our principles more than we act on them.

Edit: I am not familiar with Tik Tok and didn't realize it's essentially a Chinese app, so the bottom line is inconsequential.

 

[ultramanhyata]

It's full of pedo's anyway , local schools issued warnings against kids using it .

Balderdash! Let the children do as they wish!

 

[TeTe]

In the end, the Great Firewall of China wins!

 

[SammyPops]

ByteDance is a private company. Of course it has significant financial interest in China and their main market is China, so they're going to cater to that market.. but they are an internationally traded company.

"The company is backed by Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, SoftBank Group, Sequoia Capital, General Atlantic, and Hillhouse Capital Group."

Even still, this isn't evidence of the Chinese government impacting American's speech. This is evidence of American culture seeping into the Chinese bubble and their resistance to it.

You are delusional. The Chinese govt controls EVERY Chinese company. Its not a free market democracy.

Bytedance is just like EVERY Chinese company. They answer to Chian and do what they are told

So yes this is an example of China censoring Americans.

Its time the Western world wakes up and kicks China in the ass. Block all Chinese tech firms from doing business in the west, and even limiting any Chinese investments in our natural resource and food sectors.

 

[Mendacious]

Uh... if the company is Chinese what the fuck does that have to do with American's speech. It's also just a private Chinese company, not a state run company, who has Chinese shareholders, and it seems very likely that being powerful Chinese businessmen are totally in line with Chinese state desires. So they very likely are catering to the will of their shareholders AND the Chinese state.

You are taking the risk yourself when you use a Chinese or any foreign product or online service. Chinese politics are not having an influence over American's speech as TS originally posited because the platform isn't American to begin with. Our culture is encroaching on theirs on Tik Tok, and that's actually a good thing.

You are fucking naive, go educate yourself. Private companies barely exist anymore in China. All major companies need to hire a CCP member to be on their board and are required by Chinese law to share info with the government if they ask.

 

[Rational Poster]

You are fucking naive, go educate yourself. Private companies barely exist anymore in China. All major companies need to hire a CCP member to be on their board and are required by Chinese law to share info with the government if they ask.

So the half a dozen or more foreign and domestic investors are not shareholders?

It seems to me that private companies exist in China more today than they have in the previous 50 years or so.

 

[Mendacious]

So the half a dozen or more foreign and domestic investors are not shareholders?

It seems to me that private companies exist in China more today than they have in the previous 50 years or so.

The CCP under Xi has exerted more control over private companies since the 1980s.

The fact of the matter is that any decent sized company investing in China, foreign or not, is required by law to hire CCP members and all companies in China are required by law to share data if they request it.

Contrast this to apple refusing to unlock iPhones or give data to the US government. That doesn’t exist in China. The CCP actively censors things in places you wouldn’t think.

 

[Rational Poster]

The CCP under Xi has exerted more control over private companies since the 1980s.

The fact of the matter is that any decent sized company investing in China, foreign or not, is required by law to hire CCP members and all companies in China are required by law to share data if they request it.

Contrast this to apple refusing to unlock iPhones or give data to the US government. That doesn’t exist in China. The CCP actively censors things in places you wouldn’t think.

And my point still remains that none of this has anything to do with American's speech as originally posited in the OP.

 

[Mendacious]

And my point still remains that none of this has anything to do with American's speech as originally posited in the OP.

He said that China is influencing our speech, he is correct. When you’re pressured by a political body to self-censor, that is called influencing your speech.

 

[Rational Poster]

He said that China is influencing our speech, he is correct. When you’re pressured by a political body to self-censor, that is called influencing your speech.

No, he is incorrect.

Americans on Tik Tok are influencing Chinese users and that's making them uncomfortable.

There is no penalty being enforced on Americans and Americans don't have a right to use Tik Tok.

 

[SammyPops]

So the half a dozen or more foreign and domestic investors are not shareholders?

It seems to me that private companies exist in China more today than they have in the previous 50 years or so.

They are shareholders, but they mean nothing. The Chinese govt calls the shots. Stop pretending that China is some type of western free market economy.

Any westerner who invests in a Chinese company should have their heads examined.

 

[Rational Poster]

They are shareholders, but they mean nothing. The Chinese govt calls the shots. Stop pretending that China is some type of western free market economy.

Any westerner who invests in a Chinese company should have their heads examined.

So close to all major western companies should have their heads examined?

 

[SammyPops]

No, he is incorrect.

Americans on Tik Tok are influencing Chinese users and that's making them uncomfortable.

There is no penalty being enforced on Americans and Americans don't have a right to use Tik Tok.

the fuck is wrong with you?

A Chinese company is telling Americans what they can say.

 

[Rational Poster]

the fuck is wrong with you?

A Chinese company is telling Americans what they can say.

No they aren't.

Americans can say what they want. American's don't have a right to use Tik Tok.

It's an app owned by a private company based in a foreign country.

 

[SammyPops]

So close to all major western companies should have their heads examined?

I'm not ever sure what you're asking …… b/c what I think you are asking is retarded.