Three RCMP Killed, Two Injured In Moncton NB

[Throttlehead]

Here is all of the information you need about high river.

https://nfa.ca/news/information-act-responses-expose-rcmp-inconsistencies-high-river

RCMP was bussted buddy. There is a lot more information too regarding the remarkable consistencies between the homes of the firearms seized, and the failed and "scrapped" gun registry that the RCMP was suppose to have discarded.

All across the board there is an RCMP policy and conspiracy to disarm and register legal law abiding citizens.

Well this is not ok.

Here is another one, not from a political arm.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcm...ure-over-alberta-flood-gun-seizures-1.2442859

I said I don't agree with this but lose lose. Its amazing that over 100 guns were handed in for safe keeping. Ah bullshit on disarming, you can get your licence and go buy a gun any time you want. Is it a problem to buy a gun, I have never had a problem?

Everything is a conspiracy.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

Here is another one, not from a political arm.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcm...ure-over-alberta-flood-gun-seizures-1.2442859

I said I don't agree with this but lose lose. Its amazing that over 100 guns were handed in for safe keeping. Ah bullshit on disarming, you can get your licence and go buy a gun any time you want. Is it a problem to buy a gun, I have never had a problem?

Everything is a conspiracy.

LOL!!!! The CBC is a major government political arm bud. Political arm or not The link I gave you wasn't an opinion piece it was the trimmed down facts. So keep your head in the sand.

Getting a restricted firearm is NOT easy in this country. I'm not claiming long arms are difficult to get, I'm claiming it's none of the RCMP's business if you do get one. They believe otherwise and treat people that believe otherwise as criminals. All of the facts support this, none of the fact support otherwise.

The article you posted is a bunch of lies. The RCMP exploited natural disaster conditions to unlawfully seize firearms. It's been exposed.

""It took exactly 51 minutes for the RCMP to go from the detachment building, directly to the White's home, kick in their front door, search their home, seize eleven long-guns, throw them in a boat, and have the guns secured back at the detachment. This document alone proves the RCMP action was not a door-to-door search for survivors; clearly, this was a directly targeted search for firearms. Based on the evidence, the RCMP public statements to the Canadian people about the High River break-ins and gun seizures were simply not true. The public needs to know why, and a judicial inquiry is about the best way to find out." concluded Clare. A link to our listing of claims made and dispelled by the evidence in our letter to the RCMP Public Complaints Commission may be found at this link:"

https://nfa.ca/sites/default/files/Chronology of a High River Gun Seizure_0.pdf

 

[Throttlehead]

LOL!!!! The CBC is a major government political arm bud. Political arm or not The link I gave you wasn't an opinion piece it was the trimmed down facts. So keep your head in the sand.

Getting a restricted firearm is NOT easy in this country. I'm not claiming long arms are difficult to get, I'm claiming it's none of the RCMP's business if you do get one. They believe otherwise and treat people that believe otherwise as criminals. All of the facts support this, none of the fact support otherwise.

The article you posted is a bunch of lies. The RCMP exploited natural disaster conditions to unlawfully seize firearms. It's been exposed.

""It took exactly 51 minutes for the RCMP to go from the detachment building, directly to the White's home, kick in their front door, search their home, seize eleven long-guns, throw them in a boat, and have the guns secured back at the detachment. This document alone proves the RCMP action was not a door-to-door search for survivors; clearly, this was a directly targeted search for firearms. Based on the evidence, the RCMP public statements to the Canadian people about the High River break-ins and gun seizures were simply not true. The public needs to know why, and a judicial inquiry is about the best way to find out." concluded Clare. A link to our listing of claims made and dispelled by the evidence in our letter to the RCMP Public Complaints Commission may be found at this link:"

https://nfa.ca/sites/default/files/Chronology of a High River Gun Seizure_0.pdf

And the NFA is better, I won't LOL its too obvious?

As I said I really don't agree with what they did, but its a lose lose.

Lets see if i get what you are insinuating, the RCMP have been waiting for a disaster like this so they can go into homes and confiscate guns, is that correct? The people they confiscated guns from could never get them back or purchase another gun? If they had a restricted firearm and it was confiscated and not returned, can they get another?

They (RCMP) only went to confiscate guns, they weren't looking for survivors, pets etc? Is this true?

For curiosity how many guns were not returned and were any illegal guns kept by RCMP?

 

[Deleted member 457759]

And the NFA is better, I won't LOL its too obvious?

As I said I really don't agree with what they did, but its a lose lose.

Lets see if i get what you are insinuating, the RCMP have been waiting for a disaster like this so they can go into homes and confiscate guns, is that correct? The people they confiscated guns from could never get them back or purchase another gun?

They (RCMP) only went to confiscate guns, they weren't looking for survivors, pets etc? Is this true?

You aren't very smart are you? The NFA is waaay more credible than the CBC.

Things aren't black and white, there is a grey area in life. What I'm saying is they took an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone and exploit the situation to seize firearms. You find this hard to believe? If so you're hopeless. Not to mention the fact there is evidence to support that it was no longer appropriate to use resources for a search.

"The National Defense chart entitled: Military Criteria for Transition 24 June 2013 indicates that there was no more searching for people needed. The left side of the chart has tasks to be completed and the top of the chart has columns with the names of communities. Under the High River column task number two states: "No further danger to civilians (life and limb) and evacuations not requested." The symbol in that column indicates: "All conditions met."

https://nfa.ca/sites/default/files/National Defence ATI Response - A-2013-01163.pdf

It's all sourced wonderfully you read none of the links did you?


Listen you have clearly chosen to believe what you want to believe before hand. I think I've supported my claims pretty well and trust me there is a lot more evidence. The point is is that there is a real rational reason to fear the RCMP as a responsible sane firearm owner. They're policy is to treat them like criminals.

This breeds resentment and hostility.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

I'm not afraid to say it on the internet. I believe the RCMP are indirectly responsible for a new and growing hostility towards police in this country. It is by their own policies and attitudes, and corruption that foment it.

Hell there was even a poster in this thread named NHB or something that openly advocated lying and planting evidence in order to offset any empathy or understanding for the shooter. This is the exact same kind of corruption the shooter claimed to have provoked him. And as far as I'm concerned, as a big supporter of police, That officer in this thread is indirectly responsible for the growing hatred for police in the country and I think he should apologize for his comment.

There is a corrupt officer in this thread and instead of taking issue with that, you take issue with posters trying to see beneath all the fuzz. And don't worry I print screened his comment so if he edits it I will burn his ass.

 

[BearGrounds]

I'm not afraid to say it on the internet. I believe the RCMP are indirectly responsible for a new and growing hostility towards police in this country. It is by their own policies and attitudes, and corruption that foment it.

Hell there was even a poster in this thread named NHB or something that openly advocated lying and planting evidence in order to offset any empathy or understanding for the shooter. This is the exact same kind of corruption the shooter claimed to have provoked him. And as far as I'm concerned, as a big supporter of police, That officer in this thread is indirectly responsible for the growing hatred for police in the country and I think he should apologize for his comment.

There is a corrupt officer in this thread and instead of taking issue with that, you take issue with posters trying to see beneath all the fuzz. And don't worry I print screened his comment so if he edits it I will burn his ass.

Not afraid to agree. Good post. There's a reason there's an "Us vs Them" mentality, and it's not solely because of "us", or some irrational hysteria. While individuals like Justin Bourque are extreme radicals, who clearly go over the line, it's no mystery why society is producing such cases.

I'm just thankful that the majority of people are restrained enough to understand that doing things, such as what Bourque did, is wrong, and a completely unjust way of rebelling/showing your disagreement with the current state of things.

 

[Throttlehead]

You aren't very smart are you? The NFA is waaay more credible than the CBC.

Things aren't black and white, there is a grey area in life. What I'm saying is they took an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone and exploit the situation to seize firearms. You find this hard to believe? If so you're hopeless. Not to mention the fact there is evidence to support that it was no longer appropriate to use resources for a search.

"The National Defense chart entitled: Military Criteria for Transition 24 June 2013 indicates that there was no more searching for people needed. The left side of the chart has tasks to be completed and the top of the chart has columns with the names of communities. Under the High River column task number two states: "No further danger to civilians (life and limb) and evacuations not requested." The symbol in that column indicates: "All conditions met."

https://nfa.ca/sites/default/files/National Defence ATI Response - A-2013-01163.pdf

It's all sourced wonderfully you read none of the links did you?


Listen you have clearly chosen to believe what you want to believe before hand. I think I've supported my claims pretty well and trust me there is a lot more evidence. The point is is that there is a real rational reason to fear the RCMP as a responsible sane firearm owner. They're policy is to treat them like criminals.

This breeds resentment and hostility.

Quit with the petty "you aren't so smart are you" shit, you're no Einstein bub. You showed me link from the NFA where there is a claim or statement to investigate. Some of those houses were left for a month, was there any worry of someone going into those houses? Is High River the only place they confiscated guns of all the flooded areas? It seems like a one case incident that was not handled properly, its no big conspiracy as you would like to believe.

If you think I have a preconceived idea, its pot calling kettle black.

" What I'm saying is they took an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone and exploit the situation to seize firearms. You find this hard to believe? If so you're hopeless."

Did the people have any trouble getting them back, and are they able to purchase more?

I get that what you are saying about the legalities of doing it in the first place (and thats not black and white either), but you are talking like they (RCMP, Government) are systematically seizing firearms and were basically waiting for an event like the flood to do so. If you think I'm hopeless for being skeptical of your assertion, I think you're too paranoid. What are the RCMP doing RIGHT NOW to continue this agenda?

Just about anything can breed resentment and hostility, its your choice to allow it to affect you to extremes. There are a million things Government and PEOPLE can do better, we are still a great country and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. The idea that one situation in High River (where they have been given orders from higher, or in panic) makes you resent RCMP and that you would have hostility towards members of the RCMP who have no connection to the incident is absurd. It is the reason this turd murdered these cops, blind hate. So now if the RCMP has resentment for a confused Libertarian turds, they should go out and murder more like him (which he came out alive)?

I get a kick out of Libertarians who refer to everyone they don't agree with politically as lefties or socialists (I see you do it in many threads). Go ahead and call me a lefty or a socialist, its easy to label you as an extreme right winger.

 

[Throttlehead]

I'm not afraid to say it on the internet. I believe the RCMP are indirectly responsible for a new and growing hostility towards police in this country. It is by their own policies and attitudes, and corruption that foment it.

Hell there was even a poster in this thread named NHB or something that openly advocated lying and planting evidence in order to offset any empathy or understanding for the shooter. This is the exact same kind of corruption the shooter claimed to have provoked him. And as far as I'm concerned, as a big supporter of police, That officer in this thread is indirectly responsible for the growing hatred for police in the country and I think he should apologize for his comment.

There is a corrupt officer in this thread and instead of taking issue with that, you take issue with posters trying to see beneath all the fuzz. And don't worry I print screened his comment so if he edits it I will burn his ass.

NHB is from USA, separate reality from fantasy, we are much different countries with much different policing. If you follow his posts they are mostly satire and joking around. So there you go, NHB wants to plant evidence, ALL COPS ARE BAD and create hostility, fucking get a grip.

Its people like you who grab onto anything they can to fuel your already hatred for police. There are definitely bad cops, you say you are an army boy, I bet they are all 100% straight up good and proper and never do anything improper or step over the line...right?

 

[Deleted member 457759]

Quit with the petty "you aren't so smart are you" shit, you're no Einstein bub. You showed me link from the NFA where there is a claim or statement to investigate. Some of those houses were left for a month, was there any worry of someone going into those houses? Is High River the only place they confiscated guns of all the flooded areas? It seems like a one case incident that was not handled properly, its no big conspiracy as you would like to believe.

If you think I have a preconceived idea, its pot calling kettle black.

" What I'm saying is they took an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone and exploit the situation to seize firearms. You find this hard to believe? If so you're hopeless."

Did the people have any trouble getting them back, and are they able to purchase more?

I get that what you are saying about the legalities of doing it in the first place (and thats not black and white either), but you are talking like they (RCMP, Government) are systematically seizing firearms and were basically waiting for an event like the flood to do so. If you think I'm hopeless for being skeptical of your assertion, I think you're too paranoid. What are the RCMP doing RIGHT NOW to continue this agenda?

Just about anything can breed resentment and hostility, its your choice to allow it to affect you to extremes. There are a million things Government and PEOPLE can do better, we are still a great country and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. The idea that one situation in High River (where they have been given orders from higher, or in panic) makes you resent RCMP and that you would have hostility towards members of the RCMP who have no connection to the incident is absurd. It is the reason this turd murdered these cops, blind hate. So now if the RCMP has resentment for a confused Libertarian turds, they should go out and murder more like him?

I get a kick out of Libertarians who refer to everyone they don't agree with politically as lefties or socialists (I see you do it in many threads). Go ahead and call me a lefty or a socialist, its easy to label you as an extreme right winger.

You're missing the whole point.

 

[Throttlehead]

You're missing the whole point.

No, I'm not actually

You are an advocate for open carry in Canada and WAY loser gun laws, probably on par with Texas USA. It frosts your balls that someone of authority can tell YOU what gun you can have and where you can have it. You don't want Government in your life till you need it, then its their fault for not supplying to your expectation. This is what makes your skin crawl.

I have seen and met asshole cops in my life and met and known good ones, it is what it is, no company, organization, political party, etc etc is perfect. I don't judge everyone by one, including Libertarians

Did the cops in High River act improperly, I would say yes, but not totally black and white considering the rare panic flood situation. You are using it as an excuse to claim RCMP are corrupt and are systematically confiscating guns from law abiding citizens. It is a case like this that makes RADICALS by the dozens (right?).It is not because it affects them directly, but because they want to be radicals (and can't stand authority) in the first place, and its fuel.

You yourself chose to fuel your tank from a cop's (NHB) off handed remarks from the USA ffs. I bet if you search the net you can find remarks from police all over the world that will fuel the fire. Also BTW, that TURD who murdered cops he didn't know, he had those pics on Facebook showing police states around the world (and they were right wing gun nut sites that were bullshit). His only motive is he was a nut job, and no one made him that way but him, he represents a very small FRACTION of the country that has always been there. Nut jobs are going to be nut jobs.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

No, I'm not actually

You are an advocate for open carry in Canada and WAY loser gun laws, probably on par with Texas USA. It frosts your balls that someone of authority can tell YOU what gun you can have and where you can have it. You don't want Government in your life till you need it, then its their fault for not supplying to your expectation. This is what makes your skin crawl.

I have seen and met asshole cops in my life and met and known good ones, it is what it is, no company, organization, political party, etc etc is perfect. I don't judge everyone by one, including Libertarians

Did the cops in High River act improperly, I would say yes, but not totally black and white considering the rare panic flood situation. You are using it as an excuse to claim RCMP are corrupt and are systematically confiscating guns from law abiding citizens. It is a case like this that makes RADICALS by the dozens (right?).It is not because it affects them directly, but because they want to be radicals (and can't stand authority) in the first place, and its fuel.

You yourself chose to fuel your tank from a cop's (NHB) off handed remarks from the USA ffs. I bet if you search the net you can find remarks from police all over the world that will fuel the fire. Also BTW, that TURD who murdered cops he didn't know, he had those pics on Facebook showing police states around the world (and they were right wing gun nut sites that were bullshit). His only motive is he was a nut job, and no one made him that way but him, he represents a very small FRACTION of the country that has always been there. Nut jobs are going to be nut jobs.

This is the 3rd or 4th time you have assumed or made up something about me so I'm going to stop talking to you.

And you are totally missing the point. But I'm not surprised given you are from a Libtard society like Victoria where it's a $200 dollar fine for smoking on a balcony. Keep sucking government nob and see where that takes us sheep man.

 

[DoomAndDarkness**]

But I'm not surprised given you are from... Victoria

I don't agree with most of what this guy is saying, but this is worth pointing out for our American friends. Throttlehead is from Victoria which is our own, far lamer version of San Fransisco.

BC is very concerned with people considering it 'Canadian California' and Alberta is very concerned with people considering it 'Canadian Texas' and, as such, people from each province tend to have cartoonishly absurd political views.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

I don't agree with most of what this guy is saying, but this is worth pointing out for our American friends. Throttlehead is from Victoria which is our own, far lamer version of San Fransisco.

Yep, my mom grew up there and I have been going there for 25 years. Beautiful place but dominated by insufferable Liberals and socialists. loads of pussy there though. You have to ignore and evade all their aggressive politics haha.

Liberal fascists.

I might have to move back there one day unfortunately.

 

[Snackbar]

I don't agree with most of what this guy is saying, but this is worth pointing out for our American friends. Throttlehead is from Victoria which is our own, far lamer version of San Fransisco.

BC is very concerned with people considering it 'Canadian California' and Alberta is very concerned with people considering it 'Canadian Texas' and, as such, people from each province tend to have cartoonishly absurd political views.

Im going to go out on a limb here and say your east of Manitoba. And now as a westerner i will say "your welcome" for financially keeping this country afloat for the past 8 years.

Saying RCMP corruption validates these extreme views is absurd. stop watching American news and trying to draw the same assumptions of our police forces.

If you want to complain about the rcmp focus on their complete failure at crime prevention, and essentially becoming a cash cow through expanded ticketing programs.

I generally do not agree with throttlehead but he is right in this arguement.

 

[DoomAndDarkness**]

Im going to go out on a limb here and say your east of Manitoba. And now as a westerner i will say "your welcome" for financially keeping this country afloat for the past 8 years.

Saying RCMP corruption validates these extreme views is absurd. stop watching American news and trying to draw the same assumptions of our police forces.

If you want to complain about the rcmp focus on their complete failure at crime prevention, and essentially becoming a cash cow through expanded ticketing programs.

I generally do not agree with throttlehead but he is right in this arguement.

Grew up in Vancouver, now I live in Calgary. But I was born in the states.

The RCMP's job isn't crime prevention. It's law enforcement. Enforcing the law doesn't mean crime doesn't happen, it means when crime happens, someone catches the criminal so the judicial system can punish them.

But to say the RCMP doesn't do a lot of the same crazy shit the US cops do is absurd. They do far less, because there are far less of them. It's like when Canadians say 'hurr durr how come Americans are always shooting each other lol.' We do it too, we just do it on a smaller scale because there are less of us.

Typing 'RCMP abuse' into youtube still nets a nice 5,000 results.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rcmp+abuse

'RCMP' brutality nets 8,000.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rcmp+brutality

Considering there are only 20,000 RCMP officers in Canada, that's pretty staggering.

And I just want to clarify, I've never had a problem with an RCMP officer, and my heart goes out to the families of the officer's Borque shot. But it's acknowledged publicly by government officials and the media that the RCMP isn't perfect and could do with a little independent oversight.

 

[sangreporsangre]

This Borque needed to get laid. That's it. Elliot Rodgers kind of brought that to the forefront because he was so vocal about it, but the fact is any of these spree shooters wouldn't have done what they did if they were getting laid. Look at this fuckin chump dressing up like he's in the army and rolling around in the forest. Do you think he would be obsessed with all this anti-government crap if he was getting his dick wet? Of course he wouldn't. I think the internet fuels a lot of obsessions for these lonely weirdos who have nothing else going on in their lives.

 

[DoomAndDarkness**]

This Borque needed to get laid. That's it.

A lot of these dudes have families and after they get caught they have groupies/fangirls.

Far more dudes kill themselves/other people because they went crazy over a girl than because they went crazy over the lack of a girl.

 

[sangreporsangre]

A lot of these dudes have families and after they get caught they have groupies/fangirls.

Far more dudes kill themselves/other people because they went crazy over a girl than because they went crazy over the lack of a girl.

What dudes have families? After they get caught?? They usually off themselves. Other than this freak and the one who shot up the Batman premier, I can't really think of any that survived.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

This Borque needed to get laid. That's it. Elliot Rodgers kind of brought that to the forefront because he was so vocal about it, but the fact is any of these spree shooters wouldn't have done what they did if they were getting laid. Look at this fuckin chump dressing up like he's in the army and rolling around in the forest. Do you think he would be obsessed with all this anti-government crap if he was getting his dick wet? Of course he wouldn't. I think the internet fuels a lot of obsessions for these lonely weirdos who have nothing else going on in their lives.

This shooter in Moncton was different in almost every way from the attacker in California.

 

[Lovestorm]

You mean nhbbear?

He seems like one of the minority of decent police from what i've seen.