Social Thoughts on "Heritage" Americans/Canadians?

[Koro_11]

I recently watched a fascinating segment on the concept of "Heritage Americans" - a term used to to describe people who trace their roots to the founding generations or descend from cultures that are predominantly white and Christian (the "original" settlers of the United States).

In a nutshell, if you weren't white and Christian, you could never truly be American (or Canadian). There was a funny section of the video that described social medias response to Kash Patel when he wished people "Happy Diwali". People told him to go back to India and worship his sand gods, despite the fact that Kash was born and raised in the United States.

I have encountered something similar (although not with a racist intent). When people ask me where I am from, it is never good enough to say "Canada". The follow up question is always "Where are you really from (lineage)?", despite the fact that I was born in Toronto. I am also acutely aware that I will always belong as an "Other" in Canada - I used to do a lot of research in rural northern communities, and I was always viewed differently because of my skin color. Not necessarily in a bad way, but it felt like there was a performative aspect to prove that I was "one of the good ones", because I spoke like them and shared similar values/interests.

I was curious to get people's thoughts on how they feel about the concept of "Heritage American". Is a Buddhist Chinese guy from San Francisco as American as a anglo-white church goer from Nebraska?

Just flip the script and ask the question the other way and see what answer you come up with.

Do you think a white guy who was born in in African country and lives in an African country is just as African as the black guy living there?

An even better question is why you give a shit and why are you so obsessed with being seen as Canadian anyway. I’m a white Christian guy, but I was not born in Canada and I came here as a child so I have no accent and I could definitely pass for a heritage Canadian if I wanted to claim it but when people ask me where I’m from I tell them my country of origin first and then I say, but I’ve lived in Canada most of my life.

 

[Sinister]

Their definition of white is probably based on the "one drop rule".

It is strictly exclusionary.

100%

O wait, 99%

 

[Sinister]

Just flip the script and ask the question the other way and see what answer you come up with.

Do you think a white guy who was born in in African country and lives in an African country is just as African as the black guy living there?

Yes he is, dipsh*t

 

[Koro_11]

Yes he is, dipsh*t

Ok cool, as long as you’re consistent with it, most of your kind are not.

 

[Sinister]

Ok cool, as long as you’re consistent with it, most of your kind are not.

You just think that the World is a racist or ignorant as you are.

"My kind" know the difference between a Nationality and an ethnicity. Africa is a place that is way more ethnically diverse than Europe could ever hope of being, but all you "Western Culture" dingbats see is "black"...or when politicall convenient "African." Afrikaaners go by that moniker to distinguish themselves from black South Africans, of whom there are more than one tribe. Moroccans can look European but are still African.

When I first got to Vegas I hung out with a lot of Ghanaians. The majority were from the Ga tribe, which have a Warrior culture, the Clottey Brothers were from this tribe:



But the closest one to me was this guy:



(Boy do I wish that was a different Marco Rubio)

Anyway, Kofi is Asante, completely different tribe and ethnicity. Now I know you probably just see two buff black dudes, but they're from the same City and would have little to do with each other. When Kofi won the African Championship the Ga were so offended to be defeated by someone of a non-Warrior tribe they almost rioted, and his tribe all left. The Military had to protect him.

And you can bet the Europeans exploited these differences when it came to the slave trade, but then erased those differences in transit so they could all become cattle.

Ya know, to use unpaid labor to build this superior world or something.

 

[Sinister]

what, you're telling me that only 100 years ago, people now considered to be 'whites' in America were referred to by people named Smith (who were the real 'white men' of the time) as 'bohunks' or 'wops' or 'Polacks' or whatever depending on whether they were of Bohemian or Italian or Polish background***, but you're telling me that now considering them all to have homogenous backgrounds and cultures is some kind of thin, artificial construct that elides literally centuries of diverse cultural differences between them?


*** I mean they certainly weren't white men, for god's sake, they were catholic for a start which was an instant disqualifier even for the pastiest-skinned Mick

Did you say....CATHOLICS!!!

 

[Koro_11]

You just think that the World is a racist or ignorant as you are.

"My kind" know the difference between a Nationality and an ethnicity. Africa is a place that is way more ethnically diverse than Europe could ever hope of being, but all you "Western Culture" dingbats see is "black"...or when politicall convenient "African." Afrikaaners go by that moniker to distinguish themselves from black South Africans, of whom there are more than one tribe. Moroccans can look European but are still African.

When I first got to Vegas I hung out with a lot of Ghanaians. The majority were from the Ga tribe, which have a Warrior culture, the Clottey Brothers were from this tribe:



But the closest one to me was this guy:



(Boy do I wish that was a different Marco Rubio)

Anyway, Kofi is Asante, completely different tribe and ethnicity. Now I know you probably just see two buff black dudes, but they're from the same City and would have little to do with each other. When Kofi won the African Championship the Ga were so offended to be defeated by someone of a non-Warrior tribe they almost rioted, and his tribe all left. The Military had to protect him.

And you can bet the Europeans exploited these differences when it came to the slave trade, but then erased those differences in transit so they could all become cattle.

Ya know, to use unpaid labor to build this superior world or something.

I think you give "your kind" too much credit because I remember when Dricus DuPlessis claimed to be an African UFC champion a lot of leftie snowflakes lost their shit.

Anyway I'm not sure why you felt the need to write all that, I wasn't making the case one way of the other, the dude who made the thread wanted to know how people of different ethnic backgrounds should be considered when born in countries like US and Canada, and I just told him to use whatever metric he uses for people who are in the same position in other places.

Africa is just one example, but you can use any... like is a white kid born in Japan just as Japanese as the rest of the population of Japan that was born there? If his answer is yes, then there's no problem with applying the same logic to North American children of immigrants. If the answer is no, again it's fine as long as he's consistent and he applies it consistently everywhere.

The problem with "your kind", by which I mean lefties, will have no problem with a country like Zimbabwe or Pakistan saying they want to preserve their culture and don't want it degraded by too many foreigners, in fact a lot of lefties will celebrate them and laugh at some white guy that got himself killed going there. Meanwhile the same lefties will call you racist if you're a European or North American talking about preserving your culture etc.... it's the double standard that makes most of the left's position's so absurd.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Lol, wtf are you talking about?

You honestly believe that "whiteness" invented all those things? I mean, it's a total line of bullsh*t, but you genuinely believe that?

Man I really tried over time to give you the benefit of the doubt but thanks for revealing that you're just a plain ole unapologetic white supremacist. I'm not angry at all, you're angry. Probably one too many brown families in your neighborhood or something. You just need to say I'm angry to try to justify this nonsense assertion that from "white" people comes all the good that ever existed.

White men are the "originators"...of literally everything.

It's the only way a loser from Eastern Europe like him can claim greatness.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

It's the only way a loser from Eastern Europe like him can claim greatness.

Didn't you get de-modded for being low IQ?
Imagine getting de-modded on a bosnian carpet washing forum.
Now THAT'S being a loser

 

[Sinister]

Didn't you get de-modded for being low IQ?
Imagine getting de-modded on a bosnian carpet washing forum.
Now THAT'S being a loser

You're a loser because you were de-Modded. - guy who would never even be offered Modship

 

[Sinister]

I think you give "your kind" too much credit because I remember when Dricus DuPlessis claimed to be an African UFC champion a lot of leftie snowflakes lost their shit.

Anyway I'm not sure why you felt the need to write all that, I wasn't making the case one way of the other, the dude who made the thread wanted to know how people of different ethnic backgrounds should be considered when born in countries like US and Canada, and I just told him to use whatever metric he uses for people who are in the same position in other places.

Africa is just one example, but you can use any... like is a white kid born in Japan just as Japanese as the rest of the population of Japan that was born there? If his answer is yes, then there's no problem with applying the same logic to North American children of immigrants. If the answer is no, again it's fine as long as he's consistent and he applies it consistently everywhere.

The problem with "your kind", by which I mean lefties, will have no problem with a country like Zimbabwe or Pakistan saying they want to preserve their culture and don't want it degraded by too many foreigners, in fact a lot of lefties will celebrate them and laugh at some white guy that got himself killed going there. Meanwhile the same lefties will call you racist if you're a European or North American talking about preserving your culture etc.... it's the double standard that makes most of the left's position's so absurd.

All this dribble means is you cant actually tell what a leftist is or not. No leftist is going to advocate for Ethnostates or even hard borders. Leftists will laugh at colonizers who go to a Country for stupid sh*t like religious Mission, or capital interests and then have bad sh*t happen to them, but no...no leftists will call someone a racist if they're Euorpean American and wanted to preserve their "culture" granted they can actually define a culture and not just "whiteness" like those Patriot Front morons. Cultural preservation is best done by having MORE people learn about a culture and adopt its practices. The moment you start talking about exclusionary ideologies you're not really "preserving culture"...you're just dog whistling racism like all those ICE recruitment ads are.

My wife and I have friends, the husband is Scottish, he plays bagpipes and goes to all the Highland Game events that happen here to play for the ceremonies, kilt and all. You honestly think I have a problem with that? Lol Hell her Dad is of French heritage from Lousiana and plays jazz trumpet and we got them to play together last NYE. That's cultural preservation.

Getting pissed off because a Latino or Muslim family moved in, is not. And as far as this "Heritage American" bullsh*t is concerned you think European descended Americans really want to have that conversation with Latinos? The obes who arent direct descendants of Spaniards have a MUCH deeper claim. Or we can just accept that it's a bullsh*t concept altogether, because it is.

 

[Ares Black]

You're a loser because you were de-Modded. - guy who would never even be offered Modship

Frankly I'm shocked that I'VE never been offered a modship!

I'm a reasonable, unbiased guy!

 

[flashNsmash]

Frankly I'm shocked that I'VE never been offered a modship!

I'm a reasonable, unbiased guy!

 

[Ares Black]

I voted for McKenney multiple times. A great city councillor and would have been a great mayor. Stupid suburbanites.

 

[flashNsmash]

I voted for McKenney multiple times. A great city councillor and would have been a great mayor. Stupid suburbanites.

the fewer marks in ottawa, the better if i'm being honest

 

[flashNsmash]

we ran the only good one off!

 

[Koro_11]

All this dribble means is you cant actually tell what a leftist is or not. No leftist is going to advocate for Ethnostates or even hard borders. Leftists will laugh at colonizers who go to a Country for stupid sh*t like religious Mission, or capital interests and then have bad sh*t happen to them, but no...no leftists will call someone a racist if they're Euorpean American and wanted to preserve their "culture" granted they can actually define a culture and not just "whiteness" like those Patriot Front morons. Cultural preservation is best done by having MORE people learn about a culture and adopt its practices. The moment you start talking about exclusionary ideologies you're not really "preserving culture"...you're just dog whistling racism like all those ICE recruitment ads are.

My wife and I have friends, the husband is Scottish, he plays bagpipes and goes to all the Highland Game events that happen here to play for the ceremonies, kilt and all. You honestly think I have a problem with that? Lol Hell her Dad is of French heritage from Lousiana and plays jazz trumpet and we got them to play together last NYE. That's cultural preservation.

Getting pissed off because a Latino or Muslim family moved in, is not. And as far as this "Heritage American" bullsh*t is concerned you think European descended Americans really want to have that conversation with Latinos? The obes who arent direct descendants of Spaniards have a MUCH deeper claim. Or we can just accept that it's a bullsh*t concept altogether, because it is.

What dribble, are we playing basketball?

Maybe you mean "drivel", if you're gonna start throwing insults around about another person's posts maybe try not to make an ass out of yourself by showing how uneducated you are.

"stupid shit like religious mission"? Yeah, you sound really cool bashing religious people who devote their lives to try to help the less fortunate, yeah you'll laugh when bad shit happens to them, not the flex you think it is.

Latinos and Muslims are two completely different things, you trying to lump them together as if they're in any way bringing the same type of culture to a country is hilarious. Almost all Latinos are Christian and share many of the same values that exist in European and North American societies. Muslims are something completely different, and anyone who is an actual true believer in Islam is incompatible with western values.

And stop bringing up race, there are white Muslims and Latinos, this isn't about skin colour you twat it's about culture. The Latinos who are not the descendants of Spaniards, Africans and other Europeans were living in the stone age and still sacrificing children to the rain Gods when the Spaniards arrived. All those indigenous tribes would have happily enslaved and killed every European, Asian and African if the roles were reversed, they were simply outgunned and they couldn't. In the end the ones who survived got a much better deal, if the Europeans hadn't landed on these shores, the tribes roaming these lands would just be inventing the wheel right about now... literally THE STONE AGE.