Social Thoughts on "Heritage" Americans/Canadians?

[Big Nasty Edison]

Not for me, a non-american.

The reasoning has to do with the concept of heroic right. Original americans, the natives, were defeated by a white european colonizing force. the faustian energy of the following development over centuries was also a white european energy.

anyone showing me some indian dude from dallas that has the us citizenship, bully for him, he's a paperwork american, he's not part of the heroic history of america.

There is no heroic history of America.

 

[Ares Black]

There is no heroic history of America.

He's talking about American mythology

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

He's talking about American mythology

You mean like the book of mormon?

 

[Deorum]

Not for me, a non-american.

The reasoning has to do with the concept of heroic right. Original americans, the natives, were defeated by a white european colonizing force. the faustian energy of the following development over centuries was also a white european energy.

anyone showing me some indian dude from dallas that has the us citizenship, bully for him, he's a paperwork american, he's not part of the heroic history of america.

It was a pre-destined global superpower, but unfortunately for the Natives they didn't have the engineering or technological know-how to get the maximum out of the geography, natural resources and raw materials; nor had they come close to consolidating into anything resembling a nation-state to do so, or even adequately defend the territory. Of course, the cost of that "civilized" superior development came with the wanton, widespread destruction of landscapes, ecosystems, and biodiversity. The country required someone very god damn powerful, wielding extraordinary force to curtail the rapid pace and scale it was taking place.

"We have become great because of the lavish use of our resources...We have fallen heirs to the most glorious heritage a people ever received, and each one must do his part if we wish to show that the nation is worthy of its good fortune."

bully for him

And it found him.



"Defenders of the short-sighted men who in their greed and selfishness will, if permitted, rob our country of half its charm by their reckless extermination of all useful and beautiful wild things sometimes seek to champion them by saying that 'the game belongs to the people.' So it does; and not merely to the people now alive, but to the unborn people. The greatest good for the greatest number applies to the number within the womb of time, compared to which those now alive form but an insignificant fraction. Our duty to the whole bids us to restrain an unprincipled present-day minority from wasting the heritage of these unborn generations. The movement for the conservation of all our natural resources is essentially democratic in spirit, purpose, and method."



"Malefactors of great wealth have arrogantly ignored the public welfare. Many men of large wealth have been guilty of conduct which from the moral standpoint is criminal, and their misdeeds are reprehensible, because those committing them have no excuse of want, of poverty, of weakness, or ignorance to offer as partial atonement. There will be no change in the policy we have steadily pursued, no let-up in the effort to secure the honest observance of the law; for I regard this contest as one to determine who shall rule this free country — the people, or a few ruthless and domineering men, whose wealth makes them particularly formidable because they hide behind the breastworks of corporate organization."

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Not for me, a non-american.

The reasoning has to do with the concept of heroic right. Original americans, the natives, were defeated by a white european colonizing force. the faustian energy of the following development over centuries was also a white european energy.

anyone showing me some indian dude from dallas that has the us citizenship, bully for him, he's a paperwork american, he's not part of the heroic history of america.

Actually there were a lot of natives who sided with the whites so they wielded the white European Energy.

Native Americans served in the US military in pretty much all the conflicts. How are they not part of the heroic history and wielders of the white euro energy?

 

[Deorum]

I've never met a Native (quite a few, both in Arizona and the Dakotas) who was particularly happy about their historical displacement to say the lesst, but nor has a single one ever said that they'd prefer those lands to be privately owned, corporate controlled and plundered for their resources as opposed to federally protected, publicly owned, and accessible to everyone. They still use them for cultural rituals and spiritual practices.

 

[Deorum]

...which is why indigenous tribes are amongst the greatest allies you could hope for on matters of conservation given that tribes control a shit ton of the land adjacent and interconnected to a multitude of national parks, forests, and monuments with designated wilderness area overlays. Keep that shit out.

 

[Deorum]

What Is Even Private Property?





* Purple (National Park)
* Green (National Forest)
* Sage (National Wildlife Refuge)
* Yellow (Bureau of Land Management)
* Orange (Native Tribal Land)
* Blue (State Trust Land)
* Red (Department of WAR)
* White (Privately Owned)

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

I've never met a Native (quite a few, both in Arizona and the Dakotas) who was particularly happy about their historical displacement to say the lesst, but nor has a single one ever said that they'd prefer those lands to be privately owned, corporate controlled and plundered for their resources as opposed to federally protected, publicly owned, and accessible to everyone. They still use them for cultural rituals and spiritual practices.

You mean displacement by other tribes also?

There are plenty of native americans who vote republican.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Actually there were a lot of natives who sided with the whites so they wielded the white European Energy.

Native Americans served in the US military in pretty much all the conflicts. How are they not part of the heroic history and wielders of the white euro energy?

i mean, the difference between originator and driver of the energy, and supporting staff should be obvious.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

What Is Even Private Property?

Private Property appeared one day in the local Canadian army HQ.
"I've been transferred here" boomed a voice from the Private, who was at least 7 feet tall and around 400 lbs. he barely fit the door to the main office, and the lieutenant in charge of the base was completely baffled. we simply can't use this soldier anywhere, he thought.
"Umm, your first assignment is to guard the western wall, starting tomorrow at 0500".
"Sir!", shouted the Private, who appeared to have grown half a foot since squeezing in the lieutenant's office.
Next morning, the 9 feet tall, 500 lbs Private Property slowly moved his bulk towards the gigantic wall. By the time he got there, he could see over the 11 feet height of it. The end of his shift saw him leaning with his elbow on it. He was now well over 15 feet tall, and closing in on 1000 pounds.
In a week's time, Private property grew into the largest unit at the base. Way bigger than any tank or helicopter, at least 40 feet tall and almost 6000 lbs, he could still move with relative ease. The frantic, panicked phone-calls of the lieutenant were first ignored, then taken as a joke, but soon, after a month, Private Property was clearly visible from at least 30 miles away.

"what can we do?" was the message being hysterically transmitted all across the military communication lines. "if he grows more, i don't think we can kill him. not to mention he'd make a completely apocalyptic mess, the stench of his decomposing body would fill half of Canada for years." NATO convened many times over with no solution. The latest pictures, taken from the stratosphere, showed a colossal mass, with little to point out to its previous form. according to projections, Private Property would cover all the Canadian territories in a matter of years. the world, in decades.

The conclusion was sobering - there is no way to abolish Private Property.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

i mean, the difference between originator and driver of the energy, and supporting staff should be obvious.

And how many white euros were drivers exactly?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

And how many white euros were drivers exactly?

34

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

34

Some of them must have been lost in the Civil War.

 

[Islam Imamate]

i mean, the difference between originator and driver of the energy, and supporting staff should be obvious.

What relevance does that distinction have here? You're saying Native Americans aren't Heritage Americans but white Europeans are? All of them?

 

[syct23]

What relevance does that distinction have here? You're saying Native Americans aren't Heritage Americans but white Europeans are? All of them?

Honestly,

Came here to see the distinction of Heritage and European..

Hilarious stuff

 

[Deorum]

You mean displacement by other tribes also?

There are plenty of native americans who vote republican.

Displacement by TR. When he put over 230 million acres of the American West under federal protection and permanent public ownership, tribes living on those lands were moved out of the way. People consider that controversial, but the only alternative on the table was inevitable displacement by commercial interests, private development, and white settlement with the land desecrated and their access to it severed forever.

Would you rather be slapped in the face or shot in the fucking head? I've never met a Native American who believes the latter option would've been preferable. So, not only do they retain shared access today, but they have increasingly been brought into the fold of stewardship. The indigenous forest management practices of prescribed burns and selective thinning have proven to be scientifically superior. They were always better stewards.

 

[ringking1982]

I recently watched a fascinating segment on the concept of "Heritage Americans" - a term used to to describe people who trace their roots to the founding generations or descend from cultures that are predominantly white and Christian (the "original" settlers of the United States).

In a nutshell, if you weren't white and Christian, you could never truly be American (or Canadian). There was a funny section of the video that described social medias response to Kash Patel when he wished people "Happy Diwali". People told him to go back to India and worship his sand gods, despite the fact that Kash was born and raised in the United States.

I have encountered something similar (although not with a racist intent). When people ask me where I am from, it is never good enough to say "Canada". The follow up question is always "Where are you really from (lineage)?", despite the fact that I was born in Toronto. I am also acutely aware that I will always belong as an "Other" in Canada - I used to do a lot of research in rural northern communities, and I was always viewed differently because of my skin color. Not necessarily in a bad way, but it felt like there was a performative aspect to prove that I was "one of the good ones", because I spoke like them and shared similar values/interests.

I was curious to get people's thoughts on how they feel about the concept of "Heritage American". Is a Buddhist Chinese guy from San Francisco as American as a anglo-white church goer from Nebraska?

Heritage is important. Without it you don't have a culture. Look at the UK, completely lost and eroded. England has 40% abortion rates. Self-suicide. Canada is going the same direction, birthrates near zero. Because whites are brainwashed to hate their heritage.

 

[Sinister]

Heritage is important. Without it you don't have a culture. Look at the UK, completely lost and eroded. England has 40% abortion rates. Self-suicide. Canada is going the same direction, birthrates near zero. Because whites are brainwashed to hate their heritage.

"White" isnt even a thing.

There was a great quote once:

"When a man has nothing left to be proud of, he takes pride in his ethnicity."

Recall the fact that another poster in here claimed, similar to what you are, that an aspect of U.S. Culture was being purposely targeted for erasure, and when I asked him to substantiate that claim, he started tap dancing better than Savion Glover.

You wanna make a restaurant from your people's food? You wanna play ancient music? You wanna wear traditional clothing and get drunk? More power to you. You wanna vote for capitalists who engage in Imperialism which displaces people different than you and then get super pissed off because now they live next door? Get bent.

 

[Andy Capp]

Displacement by TR. When he put over 230 million acres of the American West under federal protection and permanent public ownership, tribes living on those lands were moved out of the way. People consider that controversial, but the only alternative on the table was inevitable displacement by commercial interests, private development, and white settlement with the land desecrated and their access to it severed forever.

Would you rather be slapped in the face or shot in the fucking head? I've never met a Native American who believes the latter option would've been preferable. So, not only do they retain shared access today, but they have increasingly been brought into the fold of stewardship. The indigenous forest management practices of prescribed burns and selective thinning have proven to be scientifically superior. They were always better stewards.

Perhaps this is a silly question, but why couldn't they be made protected lands and let the tribes stay as well?