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Social Thoughts on "Heritage" Americans/Canadians?

Washington was just as guilty as anyone else. The mythology surrounding him was of this great Military leader. Washington was half the General his French Counterparts were. There was a signed confession of him having a French diplomat assassinated. That should have been a career-ending blunder but the US heirarchy was already sufficiently designed that people who fed their own legends could fail upward. And its these failures we have nearly deified, as opposed to the actual revolutionary minds of the day that have been buried under Nationalist History.

The problem with MAGA is not new. It's been done by every tyrannical heirarchy. Capitalize on the ignorance of the proletariat. Use the human gravitation to Faith heroes against us. Our Founding mythos is the root of the problem, because it is our National religion, not Christianity. Christian Nationalists wouldnt be such a threat without the Nationalism, because immediately they force the conversation to be simple:

- Do you value the Founding Fathers, the Constitution, everything that stands for?

Once you capitulate to this the follow-up is going to be them telling you how all that was influenced by Christianity, so it's ok that Chirstianity comes to dominate your life. I mean it already was and you take no issue with it, right?

This is narrative control 101.

The people who ACTUALLY stood against tyranny in the US didnt capitulate to that. They were bold enough to be Americans more in the likeness of Paine and Shays. Tyranny is wrong, it doesnt matter if it's a pauedo-democratic elected official or a Duke. Anyone who lives within the territory of a Narion deserves their say in how it's run. The Founding Fathers set up the same old protected classes just with different labels and titles, and took a lot of credit for sh*t England and France were already doing. Some of them had the nerve to speak of freedom while the Mothers of their own children were clasped in chains. The people who stood against this were often persecuted, financially ruined, executed, and imprisoned. That's American Revolution, it's a revolution of thought, not some exaggerated battles.
I know but Washington was aware how he was judged and didn't want it hidden. And the revolution was a step towards I guess quality even marx said was. I'm a star Trek tng fan. That should be the eventual goal to me. The best way to get there to me is education which means records. Ive talked about it briefly but I favor something like Roosevelt new bill of rights. Housing, food, school, etc. there's certain things that will gradually need to be guaranteed rights otherwise regression will happen.
If I go too abstract let me know. I think giving people rights gives them power so to speak. Bargaining power. Right now humanity has a laminar flow development problem in our velocity of power. Meaning social mobility is freezing and creating classes and castes. The system requires entropic energy to knock the crud on the side of the pipe. The crud is like modern hapsburgs in red retards with a lot of money. That's i am constitutional convention advocate. Add new bill of rights.

Just spit Balling I'm wondering if the best way to deal with classes and caste is to invent nigh infinite amounts lol. Everyone is a different race. Probably not just throwing it out. Chaos seems to allow only order to persist.its all physics really.
 
You’re thinking of me at 2 AM. You need help.
Considering what you are passing off as oh well fuck it drugs aren't that bad and we all know what about children being filmed, I'M the one in need of help?
How are you as a supposed functioning legal adult condoning that behaviour?
 
I know but Washington was aware how he was judged and didn't want it hidden. And the revolution was a step towards I guess quality even marx said was. I'm a star Trek tng fan. That should be the eventual goal to me. The best way to get there to me is education which means records. Ive talked about it briefly but I favor something like Roosevelt new bill of rights. Housing, food, school, etc. there's certain things that will gradually need to be guaranteed rights otherwise regression will happen.
If I go too abstract let me know. I think giving people rights gives them power so to speak. Bargaining power. Right now humanity has a laminar flow development problem in our velocity of power. Meaning social mobility is freezing and creating classes and castes. The system requires entropic energy to knock the crud on the side of the pipe. The crud is like modern hapsburgs in red retards with a lot of money. That's i am constitutional convention advocate. Add new bill of rights.

Just spit Balling I'm wondering if the best way to deal with classes and caste is to invent nigh infinite amounts lol. Everyone is a different race. Probably not just throwing it out. Chaos seems to allow only order to persist.its all physics really.

I dont think Washington was that enlightened is what I was getting at. He let the assassination confession be buried by History and became known as George "I cannot tell a lie" Washington when even the Cherry Tree story is untrue. You want enlightened Founding Fathers you look at guys rejected by the Patriot Establishment, guys omitted from the mythology of the creation of the "free" United Stated. Guys like Patrick Henry, who refused to sign the Constitution because he felt it gave the Executive to much power and would lend to the eventual creation of a despot.

Imagine if Patrick Henry were alive right this second lol. He'd be organizing a State revolt, to be certain.

The answer is a truly free Country, not the myth we were sold. The American Revolution did not culminate in 1776, it culminated in 1861 after the overt racial heirarchy was challenged and somewhat dismantled. The radical Republicans of the day were not looking to operate within the system or give it undue credit, they were attempting to dismantle it. Disgusting 3/5 compromise, gone. Birthright citizenship for all born here regardless of race. Equal protection under the law regardless of race or gender. No State aggression without due process of law.

So is it any wonder that these Amendments are ALWAYS targeted by the right? They gut them, they lie about them, they misrepresent them, all hidden behind this horsesh*t of "originalism" which keeps us locked into the mindsets of these specific false idols from HUNDREDS of years ago. It's not an accident, its not a blunder. It has a purpose. Its maintaining the heirarchy, the power of the capital class. And that can only be maintained with inequality, and only supported by people who BELIEVE they're on a higher tier than other people. Hence looking down on specific immigrants and even specific citizens as @Brampton_Boy had experienced.

Let's spell this out plainly as it pertains to the United States and why d*ckheads like JD Vance are REALLY saying "Heritage Americans." Jamed Madison largely authored the Naturalization Act of 1790, a very clear Act to define US Citizens. Know what it says?

It says "free white persons." There's no confusing it, that's what it says. These "originalists" and people who call themselves "Federalists" want a return to what's referred to as the Antebellum Constitution, the one that institutionalized slavery, that institutionalized racial heirarchy. That 1790 Naturalization Act remained intact all the way until 1952, which is why most immigration before the 1950's was pretty much entirely European and there was a ton of anti-Chinese sentiment during the railroad construction. They're throwing in Christianity with it because Christianity also condones slavery, even instructs how to do it properly, and they know which demographic most Christians are and that they will likely subscribe to both the Founding Myth, and the myth that these men were also Christian Nationalists (they weren't, they believed religion was private, not public). We can best combat that with not letting the narrative be controlled, the US severely f*cked up with that after the Civil War where the South were allowed to mythologize the Confederates behind the "Lost Cause" narrative that was very successful.

For a while MAGA had a great narrative, but its cracking. The Epstein problem could do them in, and they're already falling apart and turning on each other even in the media spaces. The regime is comically incompetent. Its gonna get a bit worse before it gets any better, but the clock is definitely ticking. The best American thinkers of the day need to not be thinking about how to make money off it, but what kind of Country do we become after it? We could be a for real beacon of freedom and not just a pretend one.
 
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Considering what you are passing off as oh well fuck it drugs aren't that bad and we all know what about children being filmed, I'M the one in need of help?
How are you as a supposed functioning legal adult condoning that behaviour?
I literally have no idea what you’re talking about.
 
Hey, can we add a poll for people that think they're "heritage" Americans/Canadians?
 
@Rob Battisti , you win. Everything you said in this thread and then pretending you didn't say it...mods are on your side, dude. We know how it swings with how you lot are and how in favour you all are.
No women allowed, and definitely no anti Trumpers allowed.
Mods, did you actually read this exchange?
 
Have you been under a rock? Our previous allies are going nuts at us. Britain stopped sharing intelligence with us as a very tiny example of how we can't be trusted. Tell me what you know about Denmark and Greenland and him lying about drugs from Venezuela while pardoning gigantic drug lords like Ross Ulbricht and Juan Orlando Hernandez? Are you championing those? You know the former's situation with underage crap, right? Why are you championing that?

We Brits don't view America as an enemy. Just a friend that's going through a bit of a weird emo phrase or something. We still have your back if you need anything.
 
We Brits don't view America as an enemy. Just a friend that's going through a bit of a weird emo phrase or something. We still have your back if you need anything.
I'm British American, bit of a 2 and 8, haha.
 
@Rob Battisti , you win. Everything you said in this thread and then pretending you didn't say it...mods are on your side, dude. We know how it swings with how you lot are and how in favour you all are.
No women allowed, and definitely no anti Trumpers allowed.
Mods, did you actually read this exchange?
Don't know how you ended up on dubs but my advise is to take a two week hiatus otherwise you may be gone for good...if you can keep away I know you have like a million posts.

In general though lmao at the idea of 'heritage Americans' being anything other than the native americans who got wiped out largely.
I knows there's like a hierarchy of the other groups, German,Dutch, English, then it was Irish, French ,then Italians and Poles on a lower tier came later then you got non European groups. Afro's honorary position sometimes due to being brought as slave labour so they were here from the start. Then you got mestizo's, white passing are ranked higher especially in South America. Lets not even start on where muslims fit it nowadays.
It makes sense that there would be some kind of rank system arising though it always does with multi ethnic and racial groups living together.
 
Getting a fair shot is precisely the goal and the point of DEI policies. There is abundant evidence to show that women, the disabled, people with "certain kinds of names" are screened out (pretty much automatically in many cases, and where AI screening tools are employed especially).
The people advocating for it do not care about fairness. They will try to chase out anyone not like them from the entertainment industry. They loved the witch hunts of the last 10 years.
 
I dont think Washington was that enlightened is what I was getting at. He let the assassination confession be buried by History and became known as George "I cannot tell a lie" Washington when even the Cherry Tree story is untrue. You want enlightened Founding Fathers you look at guys rejected by the Patriot Establishment, guys omitted from the mythology of the creation of the "free" United Stated. Guys like Patrick Henry, who refused to sign the Constitution because he felt it gave the Executive to much power and would lend to the eventual creation of a despot.

Imagine if Patrick Henry were alive right this second lol. He'd be organizing a State revolt, to be certain.

The answer is a truly free Country, not the myth we were sold. The American Revolution did not culminate in 1776, it culminated in 1861 after the overt racial heirarchy was challenged and somewhat dismantled. The radical Republicans of the day were not looking to operate within the system or give it undue credit, they were attempting to dismantle it. Disgusting 3/5 compromise, gone. Birthright citizenship for all born here regardless of race. Equal protection under the law regardless of race or gender. No State aggression without due process of law.

So is it any wonder that these Amendments are ALWAYS targeted by the right? They gut them, they lie about them, they misrepresent them, all hidden behind this horsesh*t of "originalism" which keeps us locked into the mindsets of these specific false idols from HUNDREDS of years ago. It's not an accident, its not a blunder. It has a purpose. Its maintaining the heirarchy, the power of the capital class. And that can only be maintained with inequality, and only supported by people who BELIEVE they're on a higher tier than other people. Hence looking down on specific immigrants and even specific citizens as @Brampton_Boy had experienced.

Let's spell this out plainly as it pertains to the United States and why d*ckheads like JD Vance are REALLY saying "Heritage Americans." Jamed Madison largely authored the Naturalization Act of 1790, a very clear Act to define US Citizens. Know what it says?

It says "free white persons." There's no confusing it, that's what it says. These "originalists" and people who call themselves "Federalists" want a return to what's referred to as the Antebellum Constitution, the one that institutionalized slavery, that institutionalized racial heirarchy. That 1790 Naturalization Act remained intact all the way until 1952, which is why most immigration before the 1950's was pretty much entirely European and there was a ton of anti-Chinese sentiment during the railroad construction. They're throwing in Christianity with it because Christianity also condones slavery, even instructs how to do it properly, and they know which demographic most Christians are and that they will likely subscribe to both the Founding Myth, and the myth that these men were also Christian Nationalists (they weren't, they believed religion was private, not public). We can best combat that with not letting the narrative be controlled, the US severely f*cked up with that after the Civil War where the South were allowed to mythologize the Confederates behind the "Lost Cause" narrative that was very successful.

For a while MAGA had a great narrative, but its cracking. The Epstein problem could do them in, and they're already falling apart and turning on each other even in the media spaces. The regime is comically incompetent. Its gonna get a bit worse before it gets any better, but the clock is definitely ticking. The best American thinkers of the day need to not be thinking about how to make money off it, but what kind of Country do we become after it? We could be a for real beacon of freedom and not just a pretend one.
Washington was fully aware. He even had his wife burn his letters after death because he knew his legacy would be picked apart.

I don't know how to respond to the white Christian stuff without getting cards. Islam, Hinduism, brown people... I don't want to get cards but I get it white christians can be attacjrf here. I'm not white or Christian according to these heritage people.

As far as Marx, he's a fucking moron. I can prove that.

The one thing about "white Americans" is you can attack our heroes and idols, they will admit they weren't perfect

I called out this bullshit about the Mughal empire

And look at the responses I get. Imagine if I pointed out Muhammad was a genocidal :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile who made Epstein look like a saint or the Quran is fucking crazy just like bible just like most other religious texts especially the hindus
I'd offend Hindus, Muslims and brown people talking like that and they'd argue the contrary. Just me even bringing up the Hindu genocide, look at the responses

It's all distraction just like communism and socialism which anyone with a grasp of basic algebra would understand
 
This???


Why would I regret posting that?

You guys need to get over this fantasy that conservatives are all xenophobic Christian/white nationalist.
They do. And they need to realize if you going to attack someones ancestors and religion and that theirs are fair game. If I said the stuff I've seen some posters put up about white Christians about brown or black Muslims, Hindus, Communists they'd think I would be a giant racist asshole.
I'm "white" and a borderline deist.

They don't realize talking this way just creates more justification for the white nationalists. I mean who the fuck attacks and entire race of people and thinks it's not racist.
 
Interesting topic.

When I first moved to Hawaii, when people asked where I was from, I said Hawaii. Wrong answer. If you are not native Hawaiin you can't be from Hawaii.

I know a man born on the island and never left the island. When people ask where he is from, he says California. Because his parents came from there.
 
I am a heritage Canadian. When it comes to this issue people jump right away to "oh no, does this mean me or my friend Mike are excluded?!" The main issue is that we as a people are often denied a legitimate identity in the name of tying up the loose ends of multiculturalism. It's politically inconvenient that there are people like me whose family has lived her for centuries and are a bit different than Baljeet who came here a few years ago. So of course I support the idea because without it I would be erasing my heritage instead of honoring it.

In Canada we never had the idea that we are simply a creed because our history is so sharply defined by the Anglo vs Franco conflicts. The charade started in the 70s. Liberals try to project it backwards and say our nation was about a mix of European and indigenous cultures but this is transparently not true. We are not Mexico which will be obvious to any observer.

For America it's more complicated because in the frontier days they would expand the frontier by aggressively recruiting German and Scandinavian immigrants and had to come up with some kind of creedal identity to convince them to speak English. Even still, Americans largely defined themselves by their heritage until FDR started pushing the idea that the creed was the important part.

TLDR being Canadian or American can be a creedal identity if you want it to, but its also the ethnicity/heritage of our people and our non-creedal identity. It's the plainly descriptive reality of our identity that any alien ethnographer would use to classify us.
 
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