Thoughts of suicide

Man, sherdog has been rough lately, but I have to say I'm proud of the posters here. I always thought this place was "special", and now I know it's true, just not how I thought. Some genuinely good peeps around here I think.

TS, happiness is out there for all of us. Life is full of beauty, coming at us from all directions, all we have to do is get in the way. My advice, for what it's worth, is keep moving until you've found a good spot.
 
some people dont want help though, and you cant reason with that really.

and really, i get the idea of living your life for others around you, but when it comes down to shit you really do it for yourself. as selfish as it is, thats how i feel. but thats because i am selfish too in ways.

id probs feel different if i had a wife and kids or those that i felt i need to be there for, so if they come into my life id probs change my train of thought.

I believe depression related suicide is an evolved behavioural trait. Operating under similar psychological machinery that governs our ability to die for ones tribe. This is why suicide method is so important to people. The particular strategy is tied to this 'good death' architecture and so when the strategy is removed, the person does not use another. This can be seen in the data when natural gas composition was changed in the UK and one could no longer gas oneself in the oven, the suicide rate dropped and did not bounce back.

Part of the process in the activation of this mental architecture is a combination of selfishness and a disassociation from the actual opinions of others. For us to be able to pull the trigger on ourselves or others we often need to be ignorant of one's loved ones actual desires, ie that you continue to live and don't endanger yourself or others. We need to be able to act for the greater good and that greater good, in the moment involves self sacrifice.

Having such thoughts does not make them accurate.

What it means is that you are just subject to a bunch of behaviour that increased the survival of one's genes. Ones genes are held in one's family as well as oneself and there are plenty of situations where an amputation of the self aids their survival.

So, sure. You may feel like that but it's just because certain behavioural systems have been activated. One can deactivate them just as readily, should one be enlightened on the matter.

Of course there is also congenital, physical trauma and disease related injury which may be insurmountable but that's a very small percentage.
 
Personally in the same way that euthasia is a rational choice for those suffering terminal physical illness I think for some people suffering irreversible mental illness it may be the logical conclusion. Tbh the majority of those who are chronically depressed never find happiness or any kind of solace and they suffer terribly trapped in their own little prison of despair and emptiness til the day they die so I can totally understand why they would choose to end it themselves rather than wait it out.

That being said there are also just as many instances where it is not the rational choice, although it may seem that way at the time since depression makes it extremely difficult, almost impossible, to make rational decisions. Blinded by their illness many just can't see a way out but that's not to say there isn't.
With intervention, love and support some people can be helped to see that there is light at the end of the tunnel. I hope this is the case with our good friend @BEER

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Good for u man. Even if life can seem harsh at the moment. One never knows what is waiting around the next turn. And that is the best argument against suicide, that things will be better.

I think it's important to just keep pushing forward. Things will get better if you're putting in the effort.

This.

I hit my "rock bottom" a few years back which eventually led to me putting a loaded .45 to my head. I believed the emotional pain was unbearable and I was so desperate for relief that I thought suicide to be my only option. When I didn't pull the trigger and put the gun back down that was the moment I decided I would never ever let myself get to that point again. I made the decision to keep fighting and to do everything within my power to get my mind healthy.

I was still completely miserable at that point, but I started trying things, anything at all that would take my mind off myself and my own problems and negative feelings. I got heavily into training mma (I'd been dabbling for years but really dedicated myself to it), started volunteering (including answering the national suicide hotline for a few months), took up guitar (which led to me starting a band), started going to therapy regularly, starting reading books, etc.

I've had some pretty shitty things happen to me since then, but also some really amazing and incredible things and that's why I quoted the posts above. The biggest takeaway for me deciding to stick around is the knowledge that none of the awesome things that have happened to me since I put that gun down would've happened if I hadn't. If you keep moving forward, don't allow yourself to stay stuck, and do everything you can do to change/improve your situation things will get better. Believe me I know how hard that is to do, to push yourself when you're already at your absolute lowest but that's where asking for help comes in. When I decided I wanted to live I put the word out. I told my friends and family that I was struggling and would like them to check on me and make time to spend with me. I found a therapist and a new psychiatrist. I joined support group message boards, had some books recommended to me, and I took all the advice I could find.

I've suffered with depression, anxiety and substance abuse for 2 decades and there are 3 main things I've done that have helped with each. I want to be clear before I type any of this... this is only what has worked for me. I can't guarantee it will work for everyone, but I would implore anyone suffering to at least try it consistently. If it doesn't work then try something else.

What helped my depression the most was service to others. When your emphasis is on others and their own struggles, not only does it take your mind off your own shit, it puts that shit in perspective as you start to understand that the reality will always be that there are a lot of people who have it worse than you do. Helping people also makes you feel good. It's wired into our brains, probably an evolutionary trait that helps us as a species - so don't let people tell you you're being selfish if you admit that part of the reason you help people is because it makes you feel good. The more you do this the more you become aware of other opportunities to help and it snowballs - you keep finding more opportunities to help, you keep feeling better, and the people you've helped end up being there to help you out as well.

For anxiety, regular strenuous exercise worked better than any medication I've ever tried. Sure, you can pop a xanax or something and feel relaxed for the moment, but it's only masking the symptoms. I still deal with anxiety sometimes, but only when I've been away from the gym for a while. Even really stressful situations don't cause me anxiety any more as long as I've been getting regular exercise.

For substance abuse, what worked best for me was to replace it with something. MMA/BJJ is now my drug of choice. I won't ever try to pretend this is easy to do. Trust me, I understand addiction, I've seen the worst of it so please don't take this advice as me thinking it's "just that simple". I know it is not and I'd hate for anyone to take this as me minimizing it. I'll also add that I recently relapsed myself. No one's perfect and you can't beat yourself up if this happens, you just have to pick yourself back up and use the lessons you've learned to fight your way back out. I've been through enough at this point that I know I'm capable of pulling myself back out of it and I've already begun that process. Sober 3 days now and am back at the gym.

If there is anyone here currently struggling (I still am myself - I'm not out of the woods yet) please reach out to someone. I will happily listen to any of you, feel free to PM me, reply in this thread - whatever you're comfortable with. There are a lot of great people here and I'm sure I'm not alone in this offer.

Last thing, discomfort is often what pushes us to make the changes we need in our lives. Sometimes these are painful or scary changes that we wouldn't be able to make if we weren't forced into them because we're so uncomfortable. When everything is fine and dandy it's hard to be self-reflective and we can easily get comfortable. When you're so uncomfortable that it feels like ending your life is the only way to end that discomfort, it means something is out of balance and needs to change.

Some of you may have seen this video, but I absolutely love it. I'd encourage anyone who hasn't seen it and is feeling beaten down, depressed, anxious, etc to watch it. I hope you can find some inspiration in it.

I love all of you guys!

 
I'm good today, thanks for asking. I did some cardio outside yesterday and Tuesday and feel positive. I feel like I'll grow from the experience of last week and appreciate the kindness shown by so many here. Sherdog is an overall good community.
It really is. I think the exercise is good for you too. I keep hearing how much it can help with various things in life, especially mental health issues.
 
Personally in the same way that euthasia is a rational choice for those suffering terminal physical illness I think for some people suffering irreversible mental illness it may be the logical conclusion. Tbh the majority of those who are chronically depressed never find happiness or any kind of solace and they suffer terribly trapped in their own little prison of despair and emptiness til the day they die so I can totally understand why they would choose to end it themselves rather than wait it out.

That being said there are also just as many instances where it is not the rational choice, although it may seem that way at the time since depression makes it extremely difficult, almost impossible, to make rational decisions. Blinded by their illness many just can't see a way out but that's not to say there isn't.
With intervention, love and support some people can be helped to see that there is light at the end of the tunnel. I hope this is the case with our good friend @BEER
Well put. Those feelings are hard to look past. The people that look at this as a selfish thing may not have ever truly experienced deep anguish and depression. Or they have, and fought really hard through it. Which gave them a totally different outlook on life.
 
holy shit I can't believe I wrote all that lol sorry
 
I have to admit, I'm really happy to see how mature and supportive you guys are to this topic. A far cry from the neanderthals in the Heavies. Very refreshing.

It is 100% normal to temporarily think about hitting the reset button every now and again throughout your life. If you ask anyone candidly, they will tell you the same. Life is mercurial. It's up, it's down. But it's part of the human experience. There's no app for life. There's no golden rules. There are staples (health, shelter, companionship), but no rules. No one can tell you how to live your life. But at some point within your life, usually towards the end, you'll have to look back upon your journey and be okay with the decisions you've made. And if you feel like your life now is spiraling out of control, it's time to make some changes. It's just like in JiuJitsu, if youre stuck and cant move, it's time to change your position.

But I assure you, life is always worth living. Even through the shitty times.
 
You just have to persevere and eventually these thoughts as well as the rest of your emotions will fade away.
 
That's the bait from death's fishing rod

death baits you with suicidal thoughts it doesn't even mean you will commit suicide if you entertain them but you will be within that realm which is basically a trap either way. It's like being stuck in quicksand the more you try to push or pull yourself out the deeper you will sink. The more you entertain those thoughts the deeper you will sink and it's not the thoughts that lead to suicide it's you being stuck in that quicksand.

It's best to laugh at them because they don't like when you laugh at them it neutralizes their power to pull you into their realm. Because if you know what i'm talking about you know who I'm talking about call em what you want negative energy, demons, little devils whatever you want to call them they thrive in this world.
 
This.

I hit my "rock bottom" a few years back which eventually led to me putting a loaded .45 to my head. I believed the emotional pain was unbearable and I was so desperate for relief that I thought suicide to be my only option. When I didn't pull the trigger and put the gun back down that was the moment I decided I would never ever let myself get to that point again. I made the decision to keep fighting and to do everything within my power to get my mind healthy.

I was still completely miserable at that point, but I started trying things, anything at all that would take my mind off myself and my own problems and negative feelings. I got heavily into training mma (I'd been dabbling for years but really dedicated myself to it), started volunteering (including answering the national suicide hotline for a few months), took up guitar (which led to me starting a band), started going to therapy regularly, starting reading books, etc.

I've had some pretty shitty things happen to me since then, but also some really amazing and incredible things and that's why I quoted the posts above. The biggest takeaway for me deciding to stick around is the knowledge that none of the awesome things that have happened to me since I put that gun down would've happened if I hadn't. If you keep moving forward, don't allow yourself to stay stuck, and do everything you can do to change/improve your situation things will get better. Believe me I know how hard that is to do, to push yourself when you're already at your absolute lowest but that's where asking for help comes in. When I decided I wanted to live I put the word out. I told my friends and family that I was struggling and would like them to check on me and make time to spend with me. I found a therapist and a new psychiatrist. I joined support group message boards, had some books recommended to me, and I took all the advice I could find.

I've suffered with depression, anxiety and substance abuse for 2 decades and there are 3 main things I've done that have helped with each. I want to be clear before I type any of this... this is only what has worked for me. I can't guarantee it will work for everyone, but I would implore anyone suffering to at least try it consistently. If it doesn't work then try something else.

What helped my depression the most was service to others. When your emphasis is on others and their own struggles, not only does it take your mind off your own shit, it puts that shit in perspective as you start to understand that the reality will always be that there are a lot of people who have it worse than you do. Helping people also makes you feel good. It's wired into our brains, probably an evolutionary trait that helps us as a species - so don't let people tell you you're being selfish if you admit that part of the reason you help people is because it makes you feel good. The more you do this the more you become aware of other opportunities to help and it snowballs - you keep finding more opportunities to help, you keep feeling better, and the people you've helped end up being there to help you out as well.

For anxiety, regular strenuous exercise worked better than any medication I've ever tried. Sure, you can pop a xanax or something and feel relaxed for the moment, but it's only masking the symptoms. I still deal with anxiety sometimes, but only when I've been away from the gym for a while. Even really stressful situations don't cause me anxiety any more as long as I've been getting regular exercise.

For substance abuse, what worked best for me was to replace it with something. MMA/BJJ is now my drug of choice. I won't ever try to pretend this is easy to do. Trust me, I understand addiction, I've seen the worst of it so please don't take this advice as me thinking it's "just that simple". I know it is not and I'd hate for anyone to take this as me minimizing it. I'll also add that I recently relapsed myself. No one's perfect and you can't beat yourself up if this happens, you just have to pick yourself back up and use the lessons you've learned to fight your way back out. I've been through enough at this point that I know I'm capable of pulling myself back out of it and I've already begun that process. Sober 3 days now and am back at the gym.

If there is anyone here currently struggling (I still am myself - I'm not out of the woods yet) please reach out to someone. I will happily listen to any of you, feel free to PM me, reply in this thread - whatever you're comfortable with. There are a lot of great people here and I'm sure I'm not alone in this offer.

Last thing, discomfort is often what pushes us to make the changes we need in our lives. Sometimes these are painful or scary changes that we wouldn't be able to make if we weren't forced into them because we're so uncomfortable. When everything is fine and dandy it's hard to be self-reflective and we can easily get comfortable. When you're so uncomfortable that it feels like ending your life is the only way to end that discomfort, it means something is out of balance and needs to change.

Some of you may have seen this video, but I absolutely love it. I'd encourage anyone who hasn't seen it and is feeling beaten down, depressed, anxious, etc to watch it. I hope you can find some inspiration in it.

I love all of you guys!


Amazing post man well done
 
What helped my depression the most was service to others. When your emphasis is on others and their own struggles, not only does it take your mind off your own shit, it puts that shit in perspective as you start to understand that the reality will always be that there are a lot of people who have it worse than you do. Helping people also makes you feel good. It's wired into our brains, probably an evolutionary trait that helps us as a species - so don't let people tell you you're being selfish if you admit that part of the reason you help people is because it makes you feel good. The more you do this the more you become aware of other opportunities to help and it snowballs - you keep finding more opportunities to help, you keep feeling better, and the people you've helped end up being there to help you out as well.
There is so much truth to this. Life is about learn to love the cost, which means appreciating what you put into it with the firm realization that you have only so much to give, and some have very very little.

Being able to value the time and effort you put into the world, to people, to your ambitions -- it's a more tangible way of measuring yourself. Mental illness will make you believe in ill shit about yourself, so that's no reliable gauge. When you can SEE TOUCH AND HOLD the results of good work, you may not FEEL better but it's at least it's out there. Someone was helped, progress was made, a goal achieved. There it is.

It's about what we give to the world, because what we give defines who we are.

No one will ever know you for who you think you are, only by what you put out there.

We can end our lives at any time, or it can be ended for us. For some life is gonna feel like a constant suckfest and there might be nothing ever that can change that. But that doesn't mean you can't still do good work, still make a meaningful and positive difference for everything around you.

And maybe you'll feel good about it afterwards. So ... bonus yeah.
 
Punch her in her stomach. Two birds with one stone.

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haha thankfully we had a nice long talk, and decided to go speak with someone about to communicate with each other. I actually do look forward to the baby 90% of the time. I do have a lot of wish i had a time machine thoughts though.

I've been having a hard time at my new job tool. I enjoy the work, but people do their best to make it miserable at times. Somehow I'm pulling all the weight for our team, doing the bulk of the work with no thank you's. There are three of us that have the exact same title and duties, and one of us literally refuses to do most of our day to day tasks. My boss laughs about it says he could retire any day. If the fat old fuck can't do the job, he needs to retire immediately. The other guy shows up at 10:00 every day after I've already taken care of all the dirty work. I could go on and on about this but I need to stop thinking about it for the weekend.

Every few months it'll all get to me a little too much and I start having pretty shitty thoughts again. I have a long history of causing problems for myself and others, and the guilt gets a little much to deal with. Topped off by extreme anger problems. It's really easy to think about stopping all these problems with one fix sometimes.

I''m trying to get hyped up about being able to do cool stuff with my son like museums, MMA fights, video games, outdoor stuff, etc. But I'm really scared he and I will have a really really odd relationship like my father and I. My dad still embarrasses and annoys the fuck out of me at the age of 34. I can't be around him or my mom for more than two days. I don't want that with my kid.
 
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I went through this recently but the feeling has passed now. I didn't want to post about it in BEER's thread and take attention away from him, so thought it might be good to make a thread to share these feelings.

I was feeling down because I've had my own business since 2014 and the last month or so has not been great. I was concerned that I can't take care of my son and pay child support and other bills. This made me depressed and made it hard to concentrate on my work.

I also broke up with my girlfriend somewhat recently so that had me bummed out too. Even though I was the one that ended it I still would feel lonely and depressed about it.

I think another factor is that I was drinking distilled water for the last few weeks and I just recently discovered that this can deplete the body of electrolytes so I feel like that might have contributed to my depression and inability to think clearly and concentrate also. That one is kind of embarrassing. I feel like a dumbass for not knowing that but I've been drinking regular water the last couple days and my mood and thought process has improved.

Anyway, I don't feel like killing myself now and am motivated to work harder on my business and am also really interested in real estate and am studying everyday to get my license.

If you want to talk about yourself, feel free to share.
Whatever you do, never ever take your own life.

Every life is precious and your children depends on you.

All people experienced this kind of situations, bit the best is be calm and find a solution.

Suicide is not the answer.

Pray to God, practice meditation and seek some help.

Anyway business is better than being an employee, and real estate is really rewarding (buy and lease).
 
haha thankfully we had a nice long talk, and decided to go speak with someone about to communicate with each other. I actually do look forward to the baby 90% of the time. I do have a lot of wish i had a time machine thoughts though.

I've been having a hard time at my new job tool. I enjoy the work, but people do their best to make it miserable at times. Somehow I'm pulling all the weight for our team, doing the bulk of the work with no thank you's. There are three of us that have the exact same title and duties, and one of us literally refuses to do most of our day to day tasks. My boss laughs about it says he could retire any day. If the fat old fuck can't do the job, he needs to retire immediately. The other guy shows up at 10:00 every day after I've already taken care of all the dirty work. I could go on and on about this but I need to stop thinking about it for the weekend.

Every few months it'll all get to me a little too much and I start having pretty shitty thoughts again. I have a long history of causing problems for myself and others, and the guilt gets a little much to deal with. Topped off by extreme anger problems. It's really easy to think about stopping all these problems with one fix sometimes.

I''m trying to get hyped up about being able to do cool stuff with my son like museums, MMA fights, video games, outdoor stuff, etc. But I'm really scared he and I will have a really really odd relationship like my father and I. My dad still embarrasses and annoys the fuck out of me at the age of 34. I can't be around him or my mom for more than two days. I don't want that with my kid.
Pretty sure you're gonna be a great parent....you have a big heart, and the kid will settle all that down a little so you can function better with purpose. After that, it's up to you. Best wishes.
 
Definitely had my share of suicidal thoughts. Almost did it once too, but my friend convinced me not to and made me watch a movie with him that oddly enough made me rethink.

The last year I've ha a number of serious suicidal ideation despite being free of these thoughts or nearly 8 years, but thoughts of my future wife keep me strong. I love her more than i love myself and she is worth sticking round for even if some days im a grumpy pants.
I remind myself that no matter how bad it gets, it can only get better if i think i should kill myself, because at that point a simple smile or a funny comedy can brighten my day even if only for a moment. These moments can compound, and continue.

Glad you made the right choice OP.
 
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