Crime This is what our DOJ is doing now.

[PainIsLIfe]

Which makes it even more pathetic, i was going for what other people were saying here.

Also im reading they tried to felony charge him and couldn't because grand jury told them to fuck off.

I think they should have charged the misdemeanor from the start and still belive it sets a bad precedent for the jury to acquit.

 

[nhbbear]

Just read the shitshow of this thread, the agent claimed the sandwich exploded on him and permeated his uniform with mustard and onions, despite the fact the sandwich never unwrapped itself.

BTW the grand jury and the jury itself disagree that it was a crime.

Ok, so we can just start throwing sandwiches at people with zero consequences then? As I said before, if the agent had gotten pissed off at a protester and threw a sandwich at him, people would be screeching for charges.


And as I said, I sure as fuck don’t follow this story, this thread, or the trial. Yes, I heard about it in passing and read an article about the acquittal, but that was as far as I dug into it. So I don’t know what kind of case the prosecutor made-not do I care to search for it, but juries can do what’s called jury nullification-where a jury decides not to convict someone for political reasons. You used to see it in drug cases back in the day. Maybe you had a few jury members that hate ice or trump and the other jurors didn’t feel like arguing and having to stay in chambers for hours over a stupid ass case. I am not saying that’s what happened-again, I simply don’t care that much other than to say that I disagree that throwing something at an agent or anyone shouldn’t be a crime. They passed a law in my state ten years or so ago where it is no longer a crime to spit on someone unless they have a disease. It’s still a crime to spit on a cop, but not civilian on civilian which I think is so fucking disgusting and wrong. If someone spits on me-they’re picking up teeth.

 

[Crazy Source]

I think they should have charged the misdemeanor from the start and still belive it sets a bad precedent for the jury to acquit.

Much worse precedent for the DOJ to pull the shit that they pulled.

 

[Belaya Smert]

I also think this is a poor use of $$$
DOJ not worth much these days than an activist arm of the government. It’s kind of been their thing for a minute.

 

[Rod1]

I think they should have charged the misdemeanor from the start

No fucking shit sherlock

and still belive it sets a bad precedent for the jury to acquit.

Jury and everyone involved were wondering why waste hundreds of thousands of dollars in a trial when it could have easily been a plea deal.

 

[Rod1]

Ok, so we can just start throwing sandwiches at people with zero consequences then?

No, just offer a plea deal from the start and save thousands in taxpayer money

As I said before, if the agent had gotten pissed off at a protester and threw a sandwich at him, people would be screeching for charges.

See, absolutely zero issue with prosecutors and law enforcement lying in order to try to jail a man, the concept of authorities being liable for perjury is too damn alien for you to even comprehend how serious this shit is

Your only issue is that law enforcement got disrespected and no amount of government waste or prosecutors and law enforcement lying in court is a problem in order to rectify this problem.

I think that's a more pressing issue in the American justice system, every other day we hear about a story of a guy that was acquitted after decades because prosecutors had no issue sending a man they know innocent to jail.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

No fucking shit sherlock


Jury and everyone involved were wondering why waste hundreds of thousands of dollars in a trial when it could have easily been a plea deal.

You think it cost hundreds of thousand dollars to have a trial?

And what if the person says they won't take a plea? And why would they when they know liberal jurors will let them off.

 

[nhbbear]

No, just offer a plea deal from the start and save thousands in taxpayer money



See, absolutely zero issue with prosecutors and law enforcement lying in order to try to jail a man, the concept of authorities being liable for perjury is too damn alien for you to even comprehend how serious this shit is

Your only issue is that law enforcement got disrespected and no amount of government waste or prosecutors and law enforcement lying in court is a problem in order to rectify this problem.

I think that's a more pressing issue in the American justice system, every other day we hear about a story of a guy that was acquitted after decades because prosecutors had no issue sending a man they know innocent to jail.

You do understand that in order to offer a plea deal-you actually have to charge them first, right?

And fucking lol with your little temper tantrum about the perjury and simply telling me what I actually think. As I told you-I don’t know anything about the perjury as I told you the first time. Was he charged with perjury? Did the judge mention anything about it? If so, provide a source because I am not going to search for it.

My only problem is that some twat had a temper tantrum much like you’re having now and threw a sandwich at someone and you guys are seemingly mostly ok with it because it was thrown at big, bad ice. Personally, I don’t think we should send the message that it is ok to do such things. At least I am hoping he got a bit of an ass beating since he didn’t face any other consequences

 

[Natural Order]

MustardGate 2.0

Hannity and O'Reilly are gold mines of stupidity and legendary sound bites. Two of the dumbest cocksuckers to ever grace television.

 

[Rod1]

You think it cost hundreds of thousand dollars to have a trial?

Yes, between judiciary and prosecutor office costs.

And what if the person says they won't take a plea?

Community service vs a trial that even if you win will waste more time and money than community service? yeah tough choice man.

And why would they when they know liberal jurors will let them off.

Ok, so you think throwing a sandwich is a serious crime that deserves jail?

 

[Rod1]

You do understand that in order to offer a plea deal-you actually have to charge them first, right?

They didn't offer him a plea deal.

And fucking lol with your little temper tantrum about the perjury and simply telling me what I actually think. As I told you-I don’t know anything about the perjury as I told you the first time. Was he charged with perjury? Did the judge mention anything about it? If so, provide a source because I am not going to search for it.

Im not the one saying that society will collapse if throwing a sandwich to a LEO doesn't results in hard time.

My only problem is that some twat had a temper tantrum much like you’re having now and threw a sandwich at someone and you guys are seemingly mostly ok with it because it was thrown at big, bad ice. Personally, I don’t think we should send the message that it is ok to do such things. At least I am hoping he got a bit of an ass beating since he didn’t face any other consequences

Imagine calling people out for temper tantrums after claiming that a guy not doing hard time for throwing a sandwich is a miscarriage of justice and proves that jurors and judges are liberal.

How fucking pathetic.

 

[nhbbear]

They didn't offer him a plea deal.


Im not the one saying that society will collapse if throwing a sandwich to a LEO doesn't results in hard time.


Imagine calling people out for temper tantrums after claiming that a guy not doing hard time for throwing a sandwich is a miscarriage of justice and proves that jurors and judges are liberal.

How fucking pathetic.

Holy straw man, Batman. I didn’t say anything remotely close to saying society would collapse because some tool threw a sandwich. I simply stated that imo it is a crime. Then you’re screeching about perjury-yet have failed to provide any proof because as I said, I am not going to go look for it. I also never aid he should do hard time. Never claimed he should do any time at all, in fact. I would be fine with alternative sentencing and probation in this instance. It you are the one shitting out flaming kittens over this incident-not me.

 

[Rod1]

Holy straw man, Batman. I didn’t say anything remotely close to saying society would collapse because some tool threw a sandwich. I simply stated that imo it is a crime. Then you’re screeching about perjury-yet have failed to provide any proof because as I said, I am not going to go look for it. I also never aid he should do hard time. Never claimed he should do any time at all, in fact. I would be fine with alternative sentencing and probation in this instance. It you are the one shitting out flaming kittens over this incident-not me.

Most people would think just being detained and having to spend a night in jail would be more than fitting punishment and waste less money/time.

But even if you want to charged them it would need to be a plea deal due to how non-issue this "crime" is.

The main issue here is the contrast between people who somehow think this is an issue, but not you know the blatant abuse of power and the whole lying in court which again, its actually a serious crime with serious real life consequences.

 

[nhbbear]

Most people would think just being detained and having to spend a night in jail would be more than fitting punishment and waste less money/time.

But even if you want to charged them it would need to be a plea deal due to how non-issue this "crime" is.

The main issue here is the contrast between people who somehow think this is an issue, but not you know the blatant abuse of power and the whole lying in court which again, its actually a serious crime with serious real life consequences.

Jesus, you’re fucking dense in so many ways. In order to put someone in jail for even one night-you have to charge with a crime.

 

[Rod1]

Jesus, you’re fucking dense in so many ways

Police can detain you for a few days while they decide to charge you, calling me dense but getting anal about the exact definition when you get the point.

 

[nhbbear]

Police can detain you for a few days while they decide to charge you, calling me dense but getting anal about the exact definition when you get the point.

Again, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

Police are never going to detain someone who throws a sandwich at someone for any length of time without filing charges-that’s fucking retarded.

As for actual and legal detainments,
It depends on several factors whether police can detain you without charges. The Supreme Court does not have a specific ruling where it decides what is a reasonable amount of time to hold a suspect in custody without charges and have instead left it up the states. In some states, it is 24 hours, in others 48 hours and in very few states it is up to 72 hours. But all states agree that it has to be a serious offense such as murder. In fact, some criminals in New Orleans and Miami have what they call the “48 hour murder” in which they get detained for a murder and are holes for up to 48 hours during which time police fail to gather enough evidence-usually willing witnesses, to be able to convince a prosecutor to file charges and then they have to be released and they get away with the crime of murder only having spent 48 hours in jail and they get tons of street cred, which makes it worth it.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Yes, between judiciary and prosecutor office costs.


Community service vs a trial that even if you win will waste more time and money than community service? yeah tough choice man.


Ok, so you think throwing a sandwich is a serious crime that deserves jail?

No, I dont think its a "serious" crime, but neither is littering or buying smokes for teens.

 

[Rod1]

Again, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

Police are never going to detain someone who throws a sandwich at someone for any length of time without filing charges-that’s fucking retarded.

Yes, yes they can.

You know the moment they put cuffs on you, you are being detained and unless you lawyer up immediately they can extend that stay for at least overnight, which IMO is more than fit punishment for a fucking sandwich.

 

[Rod1]

No, I dont think its a "serious" crime, but neither is littering or buying smokes for teens.

And you think that jurors are "liberal" for thinking the same? weird, are you liberal?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

And you think that jurors are "liberal" for thinking the same? weird, are you liberal?

I think the jurors are liberal because they nullified the law. Those other on-serious crimes that I mentioned get charged all the time.

This seems like an obvious case of "I don't care what the law is". And those verdicts seem to mostly come from liberal cities.