Crime This is what our DOJ is doing now.

[Crazy Source]

So its legal to throw sandwiches on people now.

It's a misdemeanor at best. The Federal DOJ trying to make it a felony is embarrassing. He got acquitted.

 

[Long Dark Blues]

Dijon mustard is top tier.

Dusseldorf is the absolute pinnacle of mustards though.

 

[oldshadow]

It's a misdemeanor at best. The Federal DOJ trying to make it a felony is embarrassing. He got acquitted.

So its still a crime so if the jury had the ability to convict on a misdemeanor they fucked up.

 

[fingercuffs]

Dijon mustard is top tier.

Dusseldorf is the absolute pinnacle of mustards though.

I was born in Germany but Colman's is everything other mustards wish they could be.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

I feel bad for law enforcement in general, and the guy who was struck with the Sammich in particular.

Imagine his reaction when he found out that the sammie chucker got off scott free.

What's next, eggs and tomatoes?

the price of them yeah but i'm sure that you'll find a way to blame the left.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

while happily paying with a smile on your face of course.

 

[William Huggins]

Step dad recently sent me the book I bought of theirs after this performance. That was a great day to be alive, that.

I was 8, still remember it......

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Pull your knickers up. This was a misdemeanor that should have been taken care of on a community level.

Is that not what I said?:

It shouldn't have been a felony, but it was clearly misdemeanor assault with Jury nullification.

are you so daft that you just dont want to agree with me?

 

[avenue94]

So, I do believe this is assault. The difference between battery and assault is that battery is making contact and assault is placing a reasonable person in fear of receiving a bodily injury. Some states word it differently and some differentiate between the two types of crimes. But assault as I define it, is making verbal threats or cocking your fist back-not making internet threats across the country, but something that a person could potentially carry out the attack.

Anyway, does he know it is a sandwich or did he reasonably believe that it could have been something else? See, all o would notice is that someone threw something at me and I believe that fear of being injured would be reasonable. And I don’t know what you’re referring to with the perjury accusation-I read very little about the actual trial-that was my two cents-that I don’t want covered in smelly food.

And I am not saying we should give agents carte Blanche to do whatever they want-it’s not right. But you’re saying “it’s just a sandwich-it couldn’t hurt anyone and it’s not a crime at all.” And I am pointing out if an agent did it, you would have problems with it as would I. Not a crime-Which is absurd garbage.

What the defendant thought it was is irrelevant to how the crime is charged. Not to mention he plainly knew it was a sandwich based on his own testimony and perjury, plus the ribbing from coworkers.

I'm fine with a misdemeanor and community service, but that's on the feds for bungling this and not just offering an easy plea deal or avoiding the spotlight.

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

Sure, technically 'assault' I guess, but a sammy?
Also, technically speaking, an assault doesn't necessitate injury to the victim,
as defense attorneys seemed to wrongly believe. but whatever.
The guy got fired right? Wasn't he himself a federal employee at the Justice Dept of all places? smh

So he lost his job to make a political statement. Heroic.
Waste of a perfectly good sandwich IMO.
Must not have been that hungry after all (and no doubt drunk as well).

 

[nhbbear]

What the defendant thought it was is irrelevant to how the crime is charged. Not to mention he plainly knew it was a sandwich based on his own testimony and perjury, plus the ribbing from coworkers.

I'm fine with a misdemeanor and community service, but that's on the feds for bungling this and not just offering an easy plea deal or avoiding the spotlight.

I don’t totally disagree with that. They overcharged him and made this much more serious than it should have been, hw
However, I don’t have much faith that a prosecutor in that region nor a judge would go for charges in the first place which is also an issue.

 

[AWilder]

I don’t totally disagree with that. They overcharged him and made this much more serious than it should have been, hw
However, I don’t have much faith that a prosecutor in that region nor a judge would go for charges in the first place which is also an issue.

how dare they use professional discretion to avoid embarrassing the DA office...

 

[Rod1]

I don’t totally disagree with that. They overcharged him and made this much more serious than it should have been, hw
However, I don’t have much faith that a prosecutor in that region nor a judge would go for charges in the first place which is also an issue.

They overcharged because that's the highest punishment they could get the guy through, even if you are acquitted you still have to go through legal proceedings and the hassle of a trial which is costly in both time and resources, the government losses nothing because its on taxpayer dime anyway.

They could have easily got a plea deal for a misdemeanor but chose this specifically to make an example, the "small government" party for you.

 

[Rod1]

And I am pointing out if an agent did it, you would have problems with it as would I. Not a crime-Which is absurd garbage.

Agent committed perjury at a federal trial which is actually a serious crime especially as a member of law enforcement that people here seem to have zero issue with, a crime with actual tangible repercussions.

 

[nhbbear]

how dare they use professional discretion to avoid embarrassing the DA office...

I expect nothing less of you. Throwing sandwiches should be a first amendment right, ya twat

 

[nhbbear]

Agent committed perjury at a federal trial which is actually a serious crime especially as a member of law enforcement that people here seem to have zero issue with, a crime with actual tangible repercussions.

I have no knowledge about the perjury. How did he perjure himself-I haven’t read anything other than a brief article where he was acquitted. I am absolutely not saying that throwing a sandwich is a serious crime, but imo, it is a crime.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

So its legal to throw sandwiches on people now.

Remember that you are arguing with people that said grabbing someone's hat off their head was ok.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

They overcharged because that's the highest punishment they could get the guy through, even if you are acquitted you still have to go through legal proceedings and the hassle of a trial which is costly in both time and resources, the government losses nothing because its on taxpayer dime anyway.

They could have easily got a plea deal for a misdemeanor but chose this specifically to make an example, the "small government" party for youOK.

This was a misdemeanor charge. The felony never got charged.

 

[Rod1]

I have no knowledge about the perjury. How did he perjure himself-I haven’t read anything other than a brief article where he was acquitted. I am absolutely not saying that throwing a sandwich is a serious crime, but imo, it is a crime.

Just read the shitshow of this thread, the agent claimed the sandwich exploded on him and permeated his uniform with mustard and onions, despite the fact the sandwich never unwrapped itself.

BTW the grand jury and the jury itself disagree that it was a crime.

 

[Rod1]

This was a misdemeanor charge. The felony never got charged.

Which makes it even more pathetic, i was going for what other people were saying here.

Also im reading they tried to felony charge him and couldn't because grand jury told them to fuck off.