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International this is extremely impressive

"continue to move to USA" is a meaningless statement - China has a population of 1.4 billion people, with those numbers of course they will always have a certain number of people leaving the country.

You: it's not happening
Also you: it is happening

I've only said that China caught up to USA so Chinese residents have less reason to move to the west in search of better life.

And you're wrong, because the Chinese are still leaving. And not just to the USA, either.

China is moving forward in key metrics:

... yet the Chinese continue to flee.

Meanwhile US is stuck in left vs right bullshit and run by real estate billionaire who only cares about his personal wealth instead of uniting the country and having a long term growth goal. Your 2 party political system has failed you.

China is a dump the Chinese are constantly fleeing from to move to the West, but you're trying to convince us it's not happening. lol
 
Conversely, there is a small (literally 30' long) concrete bridge close to me that has taken the municipality 2.5 years to repair/upgrade.

I realize that there are other variables at play in this equation, but this is beyond embarrassing. The "chinese paper tiger" myth ended about 30 years ago, and people better realize their apathy is going to get them taken over in the next 50 years.
 
You: it's not happening
Also you: it is happening
Nope. read my post again. I said Chinese aren't rushing to the states anymore, not that they are not coming at all.
And you're wrong, because the Chinese are still leaving. And not just to the USA, either.
What are you, 5? If this is how you argue in your family or at work, you must suck lol

... yet the Chinese continue to flee.
"As of 2023, there were 10.5 million people living outside mainland China who were born in mainland China. Overall, China has a low percent of its population living overseas (just 0.1%)."

Again, there are over 1.4billion people living in China and only 10.5million living abroad.

Your statements don't match reality.

China is a dump the Chinese are constantly fleeing from to move to the West, but you're trying to convince us it's not happening. lol
Have you been to China? I have (and I've also been to east and west coast USA) - calling it "a dump" is laughable really. Their cities look like something out of blade runner (with no homeless and trash on the streets and with actual useful public transport) - only new york compares really but not for long considering its going downhill (China has 18 cities with over 10mil people).

China is a juggernaut - USA underestimating them is why you have lost your n1 sport on the global stage. Your billionaire real estate mogul ain't saving you.
 
China retails;
America builds jails.
China succeeds;
Americans cope and seethe.
China takes over;
America goes slower.
America is surpassed;
China kicks American ass.
Americans die on the subway and stage;
The world turns red on Chinese trade.
China solves crime and digs new mines;
Fenthead zombies roll in shit as they flatline.

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Easy to get things done when you can force people to work and just make them disappear if they don't. They have total control of their populace.

It's great - but comparing them directly to western countries like the USA is a little disingenuous. Would you like pretty buildings or a government that controls everything you think, say or do? In China you can have both.
 
I spent a good chunk of time in China a year ago. It was one hell of an interesting place. Always good to hear people talk about things they know nothing about.
In many ways, a totalitarian society can go much farther and faster than a free society.
 
Have you seen the 1$ billion Obama library in Chicago it's a work of art.
 
Meanwhile every single construction project in the US is behind schedule by years and over the budget by millions.
well we can’t exterminate the workers entire bloodline if it isn’t done here
 
Well it’s a lot easier when you don’t have to consider human rights.

Yeah, this is one of the few bright spots of an authoritarian regime. They get shit done FAST.

Labor rights, human rights, environmental concerns, permits for this and that, they all go out the window. Here in Texas, a big part of the trouble in building a bullet train from Houston to Dallas is the pushback from farmers whose land the train will inevitably cut through. They go to court, they organize, they take up petitions, etc.

Needless to say, something like this wouldn't exist in China. They'd inform the farmers their land is about to get divided and tell them they got a week to GTFO.
 
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Yeah, this is one of the few bright spots of an authoritarian regime. They get shit done FAST.

Labor rights, human rights, environmental concerns, permits for this and that, they all go out the window. Here in Texas, a big part of trouble in building a bullet train from Houston to Dallas is the pushback from farmers whose land the train will inevitably cut through. They go to court, they organize, they take up petitions, etc.

Needless to say, something like this wouldn't exist in China. They'd inform the farmers their land is about to get divided and tell them they got a week to GTFO.
Farmers doesnt own land in China, they have right to use it, like a long term lease lease. If they dont work on the land the state can revoke it.

Now about workers rights, China has a ton and its always changing. But it varies by region, some regions have more lax laws, some have more strict ones. There's also a ton of workers strikes there, but because the party has representants in the big companies they solve it fast (for the good or for the worse) and repress the outreach of news of the strikes.

Now about big projects, Im pretty sure the party makes its own regulations for them and expedite it fast since it will be classified as a "state priority"
 
China now has the tallest bridge in the world and it only took them 3 years to build

At the top, there's a coffee shop and a space for events such as weddings

America hasn't built anything of worth in like a hundred years or more

I just cannot see China not being the top dog in the world in the future anymore.

They can build amazing things without any red tape and they build them fast. And they're getting better and better every year.



That bridge is wild...but the influencer in front of the bridge sounding like Yoko Ono when her and John Lennon played with Chuck Berry has me rolling

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If you want to know how the Chinese build anything so quick it's because they don't care about the consequences of their actions..... Bulldoze a village no problem......
Consequences of greatness. Your post is precisely why nothing gets done in these liberal democracies.

"Uh oh, remember that major national project that could benefit literally millions of people and generations to come? Well it just so happens to go through some indigenous territory so now we can't do it."

Good for the Chinese.
 
The US economical strategy is short-term oriented, China is long-term oriented. That's one. The US do not see gain beyond 20/30 years and it's sight limit itself to 2/5 years.

American politicians, and brass at the white house, only think mostly, is that gonna make us some money ? The problem is, let's say, there is 100 fish in a lake, you don't just come and let a corporation who is apatrid fish the 100 fishes and sell them on the market.

The CEO and shareholders have made enough to do hookers and cocaine for the rest of their lifes, still, you end up with a crisis. There is no fishes anymore in the lake.

You need to make laws and regulations, do not fish more than 60% of the fishes, and never fish fishes when they are pregnants, in that period, let them lay eggs, and with big nest, who do not catch baby fishes. You are sustainable for 50/100 years with no problem.

This is the mindset of the americans. Another example would be, an american business man, owns 10 lands. He will build 10 buildings, residential complexes with a lot of appartments for money gain. But he would have made more money if he build 7 buildings, and built one parking, and one green park, and one pharmacy/drug store/food store/groceries store, because with the external positivities they would bring, the price of real estate would have increased more with 7 buildings and nearby infrastructures than with just 10 buildings.

China will beat the US because it is more long term oriented and also more wise.

Everything China has, the US is able to do it. With no exception. If you ask an US official to build huge infrastructures that could benefit on paper and in reality the country, or the common man or both, he would say, hahahaha why would we do that ? That does not generate money !

Commodification to the extreme of everything do not benefit the country but only apatrid short sighted corporations. For example, developing the US will not be a bad thing, not just for social/environmental gain but simply for economical gain.

Huge infrastructures will bring back many positive externalities, that will increase tourism for instance, and thus will be able to generate more money and of course much more.

China is very likely to surpass the US in technology, architecture, and AI. The average chinese worker is more patriotic and collectivist than the average american worker who is apatrid and more individualist. That also count a lot.

Another problem in the US, is that US and western corporations will overprice their services. A road that on paper would cost 10 dollars would cost 40 or 60 dollars. Which on the long run do not help building infrastructures at a high speed rates and at a large scale.
 
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Consequences of greatness. Your post is precisely why nothing gets done in these liberal democracies.

"Uh oh, remember that major national project that could benefit literally millions of people and generations to come? Well it just so happens to go through some indigenous territory so now we can't do it."

Good for the Chinese.
yeah fuck preserving land or nature, just bulldoze it all and dont think about the consequences.

hope you dont go to any national parks, ever. theyre useless land, just imagine a strip mall in Yosemite! its wasted potential as a protected park, i tell you.
 
Nope. read my post again. I said Chinese aren't rushing to the states anymore, not that they are not coming at all.

The goalposts continue to shift. I never said anything about "rushing". But they are still leaving in significant numbers, and not just to the USA.

Have you been to China? I have (and I've also been to east and west coast USA) - calling it "a dump" is laughable really. Their cities look like something out of blade runner (with no homeless and trash on the streets and with actual useful public transport) - only new york compares really but not for long considering its going downhill (China has 18 cities with over 10mil people).

China is a juggernaut - USA underestimating them is why you have lost your n1 sport on the global stage. Your billionaire real estate mogul ain't saving you.

There's more to a country than just the city. And since when is a Blade Runner-like city desirable? Dubai has that and it's hideous.

China is a shithole and the Chinese want to leave, which many of them do. Whether they're moving to the USA or some other Western country is irrelevant. There's also 60 million Chinese around the world.

NYC has completely different demographics which explains why it's such a dump. But you won't wanna go down that road, obviously.

And I'm not American, but the reason China has grown so much over the past 25 years is ENTIRELY due to the USA.
 
China now has the tallest bridge in the world and it only took them 3 years to build

At the top, there's a coffee shop and a space for events such as weddings

America hasn't built anything of worth in like a hundred years or more

I just cannot see China not being the top dog in the world in the future anymore.

They can build amazing things without any red tape and they build them fast. And they're getting better and better every year.



You can do that without safety rules and OSHA.

Our China factory was built quick,but there were a lot of accidents and 1 fatality.
 
And I'm not American, but the reason China has grown so much over the past 25 years is ENTIRELY due to the USA.
No, its cause they make shit globally, for everyone - not just USA. Also Europe/Korea/Japan (not just USA) outsourced shitload of its industry to China - they gained the know how not just from USA, but all of the leading developed nations (cause they were all greedy and wanted that cheap production costs, even if it meant Chinese stealing all that tech for themselves).
 
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