There's random people on the street, myself included, that would beat TF out of some UFC fighters...

[AstralPanda]

If you're a moron, I suppose.

Unless people understand jiu jitsu in a tangible way, they won't understand the sort of strength and size differentials that could be overcome that should, on the surface be impossible.

It's 2024, people should be clued in by now, but if you haven't really experienced it, then it might still be hard to fully grasp for some.

 

[mkess101]

Anyone remember Ray that Jorge Masvidal beat twice? Although ground game wasn't allowed the guy was only 30 lbs heavier rocked and dropped masvidal numerous times which tons of high level MMA guys failed to do and flung him around like a ragdoll.

In a real spontaneous fight, you guys favor Jorge to gas him out and win after 5 minutes of jabbing and moving??

Jorge beat him both of the ones I saw iirc. Cardio absolutely was a factor i think?

Edit: misread your post, you said Jorge won twice.

 

[markys00]

Pretty sure I could take Joe daddy Stevenson



He’s like 5’2”

Ur only 5'2.5

Take it easy, Rambo.

 

[Slapjit]

Lots of hood dudes would work alot of mma fighters

U nuh lyin' fam Jamahill was di champ an' him finna get di strap back again affi Poatan him Obeah magic ting wear oot him from di endz dats di best instructor lineage IMHO battle tested an' proven

 

[MotorCityCobra]

Jorge beat him both of the ones I saw iirc. Cardio absolutely was a factor i think?

Edit: misread your post, you said Jorge won twice.

Cardio was by far deciding factor.

In both fights jorge landed 10-30 unanswered bare knuckle punches on a gassed street brawler and didnt even dent him and every time he got hit he looked dazed, hurt, or visibly uncomfortable. In both fights instinctually masvidal grabbed him and the guy slammed him on the ground like a 10 year old.

he was already a successful pro and wasn't much smaller. Both fights the guy was overwhelming him and gassed and lost.

In a spontaneous street fight that typically is over in 30 seconds would masvidal realistically stand much of a chance? Is that guy he fought the toughest natural fighter in the world or are there actually 100s if not 1000s of guys like him all over?

What if he hit him while they were talking trash? He creamed him while he was ready and was still knocking him all over the place. And this is an iron chinned MMA veteran at 170....you think 140 pound guys could beat this guy in a real fight at a bar? Or a woman?

And the guy was like 190/200 with a belly. There are no doubt tons of guys who can fight like him and are also 250+ of course it is rare, but they're out there.

 

[Rapa]

Dude has never trained in his life

 

[mkess101]

Cardio was by far deciding factor.

In both fights jorge landed 10-30 unanswered bare knuckle punches on a gassed street brawler and didnt even dent him and every time he got hit he looked dazed, hurt, or visibly uncomfortable. In both fights instinctually masvidal grabbed him and the guy slammed him on the ground like a 10 year old.

he was already a successful pro and wasn't much smaller. Both fights the guy was overwhelming him and gassed and lost.

In a spontaneous street fight that typically is over in 30 seconds would masvidal realistically stand much of a chance? Is that guy he fought the toughest natural fighter in the world or are there actually 100s if not 1000s of guys like him all over?

What if he hit him while they were talking trash? He creamed him while he was ready and was still knocking him all over the place. And this is an iron chinned MMA veteran at 170....you think 140 pound guys could beat this guy in a real fight at a bar? Or a woman?

And the guy was like 190/200 with a belly. There are no doubt tons of guys who can fight like him and are also 250+ of course it is rare, but they're out there.

Yes and no. I think in fights with "no grappling" rules there are absolutely guys out there with the natural ability to brawl. And anyone with big natural power is a danger to knock out anyone else in a street fight if they just swing on them when it's unexpected for sure.

If we're talking about a fight where both guys are ready and there really are no rules (and it's a true 1v1 with no worry of friends jumping in etc)...a trained fighter with all those hours spent grappling is gonna smoke pretty much any "tough guy" street fighter. I've seen it happen enough times. The non trained guy doesn't have the ability to not be put on his back and from there it's a wrap.

 

[MotorCityCobra]

Yes and no. I think in fights with "no grappling" rules there are absolutely guys out there with the natural ability to brawl. And anyone with big natural power is a danger to knock out anyone else in a street fight if they just swing on them when it's unexpected for sure.

If we're talking about a fight where both guys are ready and there really are no rules (and it's a true 1v1 with no worry of friends jumping in etc)...a trained fighter with all those hours spent grappling is gonna smoke pretty much any "tough guy" street fighter. I've seen it happen enough times. The non trained guy doesn't have the ability to not be put on his back and from there it's a wrap.

But most actual fights are like that. Borderline hockey fight style.

Of course in a fair on the mat agreed upon fight, the trained fighter (assuming he is good, has extensive training, etc) has a nearly insurmountable advantage.

Watch the Masvidal fight he grabs the guy several times and the guy ragdolls him. With clothes on to grab could Masvidal really actually get him on the floor and once there could he control him?

But I agree generally. Cardio and grappling advantage is almost too much. I'm talking about random freak people who are very powerful can hit and absorb hits.

Derrick Lewis said before his brother might be able to beat him, but is lazy doesn't train and is too "ghetto" to do professional fighting.

Does his brother lose to some 5-5 lightweight because he doesn't have BJJ training?

 

[Shenti]

If you're an athletic man & you train you'd get shit on by deluded feminists & white knights for saying that but yeah I think you're probably correct saying that regarding females.

Precisely. The truth is seldom without a serrated edge, but we mustn't suffer the idiots and their echo chambers or give any ground for the sake of what's real. Besides, I'm from 4chan and have been on the Internet since like 1999. Those woke fools could do nothing to me yet I relish the thought of them trying all the same

I've been ready. I want to fight evil and that's one of the ways I can do it. But they know better lol.

 

[mkess101]

But most actual fights are like that. Borderline hockey fight style.

Of course in a fair on the mat agreed upon fight, the trained fighter (assuming he is good, has extensive training, etc) has a nearly insurmountable advantage.

Watch the Masvidal fight he grabs the guy several times and the guy ragdolls him. With clothes on to grab could Masvidal really actually get him on the floor and once there could he control him?

But I agree generally. Cardio and grappling advantage is almost too much. I'm talking about random freak people who are very powerful can hit and absorb hits.

Derrick Lewis said before his brother might be able to beat him, but is lazy doesn't train and is too "ghetto" to do professional fighting.

Does his brother lose to some 5-5 lightweight because he doesn't have BJJ training?

It's hard to say. There are way too many unknown variables really. Has either (or both) been drinking? That leads to the majority of bar fights. Is this a situation where the trained guy gets sucker punched? Or are they squared up and the trained guy can actually truly shoot and essentially force the other guy to grapple?

I don't think there's an easy answer because every situation is different.

 

[nonoob]

He see red when he gets angry, he just goes nuts, and when he comes out of the trance, nothing but bodies around him.

True, and this tune is played, at high volume, non-stop.

In a spontaneous street fight that typically is over in 30 seconds would masvidal realistically stand much of a chance? Is that guy he fought the toughest natural fighter in the world or are there actually 100s if not 1000s of guys like him all over?

TS made that exact point, us killers can be regular every day normal muthafukkaz.

 

[richardjohnson]

sad part is ts might be the smartest strickland fan on this forum

 

[LostMyBlackBelt]

Pic of me right now in my bathroom.

I literally just started working out a little after not working out for 10 years.

I'm 42 and everyone is intimidated by me at the gym after one month of working out because they see the pain and fury in my eyes.

I'm all natural even though I look like I'm on roids.

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Let's see, the door frame is 6'-4" or 6'-6", so you are like 5-2" or 5-4""..... Are you legally considered a little person or just retarded? You need to stand on a box next time.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

I am 6 foot, 200 pounds, lift and boxed competitively and wrestled in high school. Obviously not winning a fight against Jon Jones. And I wouldn't try.

But those little 125 pound guys. Yeah, I don't think they can beat me. Maybe outpoint me and win a match. But a 75 pound advantage, half a foot, and some skill. I just don't see it. At least not a finish.

I have always been curious on how I would do against them.

 

[wwkirk]

I am 6 foot, 200 pounds, lift and boxed competitively and wrestled in high school. Obviously not winning a fight against Jon Jones. And I wouldn't try.

But those little 125 pound guys. Yeah, I don't think they can beat me. Maybe outpoint me and win a match. But a 75 pound advantage, half a foot, and some skill. I just don't see it. At least not a finish.

I have always been curious on how I would do against them.

So, you're a cruiserweight or LHW and probably can beat pro-Flyweights. How close the size gap before you start getting concerned? I assuming a pro-MW could be a challenge. How about WW or LW?

 

[fedorthegoat777]

So, you're a cruiserweight or LHW and probably can beat pro-Flyweights. How close the size gap before you start getting concerned? I assuming a pro-MW could be a challenge. How about WW or LW?

Pass on those guys.
I'll stick to the flyweights

I would be concerned at anything above flyweights. Definitely wouldn't try a MW, WW, or LW.

Even with the large weight and height advantage, understand I would likely still lose by points. However, I think I could keep it close for 3 rounds though and maybe win.

 

[italiamusica]

99% of those on the streets have about 30 secs of cardio in them.
99% of those on the streets have never once encountered a person who can throw a kick.
99% of those on the streets dont know what underhooks are or even how to properly clinch.
99% of those on the streets would prob break their hand the first punch they threw as they dont know how to actually throw a punch


you are overestimating 99.9% of everyone you speak of.

This is exactly it. These types of dudes have beat up a couple people in bar fights, throwing non stop haymakers, and they think they're the champ of the world and can destroy everyone. But yeah, they'll throw at 100% for 30 seconds and then be done, and the second they take a hard kick to the stomach they're going to give up. Especially if they get judo thrown and dumped on concrete.

 

[JakePaulMMA]

U nuh lyin' fam Jamahill was di champ an' him finna get di strap back again affi Poatan him Obeah magic ting wear oot him from di endz dats di best instructor lineage IMHO battle tested an' proven

Chama

 

[fishbisquit]

UFC training can be over rated.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Pass on those guys.
I'll stick to the flyweights

I would be concerned at anything above flyweights. Definitely wouldn't try a MW, WW, or LW.

Even with the large weight and height advantage, understand I would likely still lose by points. However, I think I could keep it close for 3 rounds though and maybe win.

I dont think you're big enough for your size to matter against a flyweight. 140-150 pound guys can definitely beat up fit 200 pounders.