There should be new law specifying the UFC contract

[avenue94]

He didn’t do it to “cripple market value”.

Why did he do it then? Fighting out your contract=start of free agency process. .

So we agree that they can’t cut fighters for whatever they want. Good.

Given how laughably broad the Code of Conduct is, yeah, the UFC has ridiculous latitude if they want to enforce it. Just like tolling, it's essentially just another way to tip the scales toward the promotion if need be.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

They get a second chance because that's what the UFC wants, not because the UFC is contractually obliged to offer another fight.

Having a three fight contract does not guarantee any fighter three fights, but they do guarantee they can't fight anywhere else until they fight three times. So a long exclusive contract benefits the promotion without benefiting the fighter.

Yeah still waiting on those names, bub.

 

[kflo]

Why did he do it then? Fighting out your contract=start of free agency process. .

Why did they put other fighters on main cards instead of potentially outgoing fighters? Because it was in the interests of the promotion??? Is that not different than “crippling market value”??? Lol.

Given how laughably broad the Code of Conduct is, yeah, the UFC has ridiculous latitude if they want to enforce it. Just like tolling, it's essentially just another way to tip the scales toward the promotion if need be.

C’mon this is a joke. They can’t just cut most fighters not coming off a loss.

 

[avenue94]

Yeah still waiting on those names, bub.

Jon Fitch and Gerald Harris are the most glaring examples.

Because it was in the interests of the promotion??? Is that not different than “crippling market value”??? Lol.

Yeah...that's not why lol. Putting Nick Diaz on the prelims instead of the main card, where the UFC generates most of its money, is a net loss, even if Diaz is leaving the company. And again, Diaz and fighters in his situation weren't even outgoing, Joe Silva was trying to bury them on their last fight.

C’mon this is a joke. They can’t just cut most fighters not coming off a loss.

Can't, yes, won't, likely not. They tend to prefer paying out the contract these days based on Leslie Smith and Diego.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

Jon Fitch and Gerald Harris are the most glaring examples.

Yeah...that's not why lol. Putting Nick Diaz on the prelims instead of the main card, where the UFC generates most of its money, is a net loss, even if Diaz is leaving the company. And again, Diaz and fighters in his situation weren't even outgoing, Joe Silva was trying to bury them on their last fight.

Can't, yes, won't, likely not. They tend to prefer paying out the contract these days based on Leslie Smith and Diego.

Both guys fought multiple times in the Ufc fitch had a title fight. I see you stupidity knows no bounds.

 

[avenue94]

Both guys fought multiple times in the Ufc fitch had a title fight. I see you stupidity knows no bounds.

You asked for fighters cut off one loss. If you mean in the most liferal sense, Harris had only 1 ufc loss.

 

[Lethal_Striker]

Comparing contracts between combat sports and team sports is so dumb. The UFC can only make money off of a fighter competing at most 5 times a year. NFL which is the team sport with the fewest games the teams are able to make money off of their athletes 17 times a year now. When you have so few chances for your fighters to live up to their contract in a year why would you allow them to spend 1 of those fights competing for another company and risking losing/getting hurt doing so?

 

[avenue94]

Comparing contracts between combat sports and team sports is so dumb. The UFC can only make money off of a fighter competing at most 5 times a year. NFL which is the team sport with the fewest games the teams are able to make money off of their athletes 17 times a year now. When you have so few chances for your fighters to live up to their contract in a year why would you allow them to spend 1 of those fights competing for another company and risking losing/getting hurt doing so?

Well an NFL team also doesn't have 600 athletes. So your comparison is really absurd. Also, keeping fighters on contract essentially costs the UFC nothing. They only get paid for actually fighting

 

[BEATDOWNS]

You asked for fighters cut off one loss. If you mean in the most liferal sense, Harris had only 1 ufc loss.

No inga was basically saying fighters get cut if they lose there debut and i asked for examples of that happening. Yes there are some one and done fighters but very few UFC will 9.5 times out if 10 give a fighter a second chance.

 

[avenue94]

No inga was basically saying fighters get cut if they lose there debut and i asked for examples of that happening. Yes there are some one and done fighters but very few UFC will 9.5 times out if 10 give a fighter a second chance.

I imagine there are some but I'm far too lazy to scan through the thousands of UFC vets lol. It's a pretty rare occurrence and one fight contracts are also pretty rare.

 

[kflo]

Jon Fitch and Gerald Harris are the most glaring examples.

Yeah...that's not why lol. Putting Nick Diaz on the prelims instead of the main card, where the UFC generates most of its money, is a net loss, even if Diaz is leaving the company. And again, Diaz and fighters in his situation weren't even outgoing, Joe Silva was trying to bury them on their last fight.

Can't, yes, won't, likely not. They tend to prefer paying out the contract these days based on Leslie Smith and Diego.

Wtf does cant yes, won’t, likely not mean? They can’t.

and best interest isn’t just defined as revenue for a single card.

They are more likely to give a main card slot to someone who isn’t on the last fight of their contract. They still often do give main card fights to guys on their last fight anyway. And if they don’t it’s not to cripple market value. Again that’s your typical hyperbole.

 

[avenue94]

Wtf does cant yes, won’t, likely not mean? They can’t.

and best interest isn’t just defined as revenue for a single card.

They are more likely to give a main card slot to someone who isn’t on the last fight of their contract. They still often do give main card fights to guys on their last fight anyway. And if they don’t it’s not to cripple market value. Again that’s your typical hyperbole.

Again, Joe Silva expressly acknowledged that the UFC has tried to lower fighter market power ahead of free agency. If you got an issue with his own statement, take it up with him, not me on some karate forum.

 

[Baba Ghanoush]

Ali Act needs to apply to MMA...it makes no sense why it doesnt.



We need to pressure the biden administration.

The Ali Act isn’t even enforced in boxing lol. Wish people would stop regurgitating shit they just read on here.

 

[RonMachineGunJhun]

Aren't most professional sports contract like this?

Though I do agree on some sort of time limit or number of fights, whichever comes first. Of course, fighter pay is the biggest issue that needs to be addressed. Can't have top fighters working a second job to help cover living expenses

Being a fire fighter or first responder is not a job. Its a lifestyle

 

[avenue94]

The Ali Act isn’t even enforced in boxing lol. Wish people would stop regurgitating shit they just read on here.

Yeah it isnt, but the threat of its enforcement is better than nothing. Not to mention the barrier to entry in boxing for promoters is significantly lower partly because of the sport's history, partly because of the act.

 

[kflo]

Again, Joe Silva expressly acknowledged that the UFC has tried to lower fighter market power ahead of free agency. If you got an issue with his own statement, take it up with him, not me on some karate forum.

Crippling..........

 

[Bend NvR Break]

So let´s imagine a situation, you are UFC mma fighter with two wins, UFC gives you new contract on 5 matches, you win next 3 in fashion, but to get higher pay you would have to finish the contract and you don´t really want to get in war with UFC if you are new.
Second situation - You are UFC veteran past prime, you are hurt and have last match in you, but on UFC contract are still 3 fights left - even if you have offer on some moneyfight in box or anywhere else you can´t leave..
UFC tactic is "dirty" atleast.

So you want to be a fighter?

 

[avenue94]

Crippling..........

Like I said, I have no problem with describing it as diminishing a fighter's market price before free agency. Once again, you're being pedantic because you have this odd urge to defend the UFC, no matter how scummy.

And I imagine losing on the prelims when you are a main card fighter would likely be described as very bad for free agency. So crippling, diminish, use whatever word you want. It's the same result and same problem.

 

[grimballer]

This statement is oversimplifying, champion's clauses, long matching and negotiating periods, threat of tolling, the option option a promoter to bury or cripple a fighter's market value before fee agency (the UFC has admitted this in court), etc. These all make getting out of contracts or fighting them out much more complicated in reality.

matching period is one year

literally any other sport has restricted free agents

 

[kflo]

Like I said, I have no problem with describing it as diminishing a fighter's market price before free agency. Once again, you're being pedantic because you have this odd urge to defend the UFC, no matter how scummy.

And I imagine losing on the prelims when you are a main card fighter would likely be described as very bad for free agency. So crippling, diminish, use whatever word you want. It's the same result and same problem.

You have this weird habit of blatantly misrepresenting things and using hyperbole and then claiming to be a victim when it’s pointed out.