There should be new law specifying the UFC contract

[avenue94]

You have this weird habit of blatantly misrepresenting things and using hyperbole and then claiming to be a victim when it’s pointed out.

When did I claim to be the victim? Again, Silva admitted to trying to lower market value for free agency. Your issue is with him, not me.

 

[kflo]

When did I claim to be the victim? Again, Silva admitted to trying to lower market value for free agency. Your issue is with him, not me.

My issue is with your hyperbole use of cripple. It’s only you who have characterized it that way. Not Silva. Sorry.

 

[avenue94]

My issue is with your hyperbole use of cripple. It’s only you who have characterized it that way. Not Silva. Sorry.

Like I said. Diminished works pretty fine for me, yet that also apparently offends your UFC fandom

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Yeah still waiting on those names, bub.

1. Not your bub, guy.
2. Not sure what you think you are waiting on, but I responded to your comment already.
3. You seem to be missing the concept of guarantee. A three fight contract does not mean the UFC has to give a fighter three fights. It does mean the fighter has to give the UFC three fights. It's a one way commitment. Long contracts with the UFC do not benefit fighters.

 

[greatsantini]

The issue for the UFC is fighters can just sit out to get more leverage. Having contracts for x number of fights is normal. It is actually easy to get out of a UFC contract, you simply need to take the fights and not sign a new contract. The UFC is obligated to offer you fights in the contract so you can't just hold on to a fighter indefinitely. Dana once mentioned he had to offer at least 2 fights a year with 2 options for each fight.

They only have to offer 1 fight every 6 months. If you turn it down or can't take it because you're injured or have some personal issues to take care of they add 6 months to the contract. The UFC even builds up these 6 month periods and then can add this to the end of your contract if they want. That' how Huerta and Arlovski got frozen out for over a year before they saw their last fight.

 

[DestinedAussie]

The threat to strip Whittaker if he got injured wrestling seems kind of silly though, because it's really not any more dangerous than sparring. And UFC fighters do submission grappling on the side all the time.

I agree. It seemed pretty low risk especially when fighters take part in bjj comps all the time.

 

[snackgod]

I mean, keep disagreeing with Joe Silva, in his own words, describing how he has tried to drive down a fighter's market value when they fight out their contract.
"I lowballed them on purpose the first offer knowing they would turn it down,” wrote Silva. “How bout I come back with 29+29, 32+32, 35+35, 38+38. If they turn it down I put him in a prelim against a really tough guy for his last fight.”

In his deposition Silva was asked about this tactic of giving a fighter a “really tough guy” for their final fight, if they have refused to re-up with the UFC. Talking about the Diaz situation, Silva said he would have given Diaz a “tough guy regardless”, but conceded that he was more likely to give a fighter who re-upped a slot on a main card versus a fighter who was fighting out their contract."

Uhhh..Ali Act came after most of those guys retired, and it was never meant to prevent brain damage. Nice non-sequitur.

Those reasons are for losing a fight (most fighters lose one at some point) and breaching the Code of Conduct, which the UFC enforces and doesn't enforce at its own whimsy. So the reasons a UFC fighter can be cut are quite broad and more or less whatever the UFC wants.

guess the ali act would stop bellator from paying 2k as well rifght? i still think that a bigger problem than paying jon jones millions

 

[avenue94]

guess the ali act would stop bellator from paying 2k as well rifght? i still think that a bigger problem than paying jon jones millions

Not necessarily. It would improve fighter pay over all, but hard to say how much lower tier fighters will get a bump. Higher tier fighters for sure.

And I've never claimed the Ali Act would fix Bellator pay. It won't hurt it, but good chance it would since increased competition among promoters would almost certainly increase compensation since thats just capitalism at work.

matching period is one year

literally any other sport has restricted free agents

Sure, but those periods are much shorter...like the NBA matching period is 2 days lol. Not the 6 months in mma. Not to mention unrestricted free agency exists in football, but has no analogies in mma.

The issue in mma isnt any single contract provision or the champions clause or tolling. It's the totality of all those features combined along with the massive leverage promoters have over fighters, which exceeds the disparity between teams and athletes in other sports. Not to mention promoters don't have to worry about freeing up salary cap space.

 

[Tugboat]

I agree. Laws specifying things suck the big wazoo

especially In contracts

 

[grimballer]

Not necessarily. It would improve fighter pay over all, but hard to say how much lower tier fighters will get a bump. Higher tier fighters for sure.

And I've never claimed the Ali Act would fix Bellator pay. It won't hurt it, but good chance it would since increased competition among promoters would almost certainly increase compensation since thats just capitalism at work.


Sure, but those periods are much shorter...like the NBA matching period is 2 days lol. Not the 6 months in mma. Not to mention unrestricted free agency exists in football, but has no analogies in mma.

The issue in mma isnt any single contract provision or the champions clause or tolling. It's the totality of all those features combined along with the massive leverage promoters have over fighters, which exceeds the disparity between teams and athletes in other sports. Not to mention promoters don't have to worry about freeing up salary cap space.

thats not true.

ufc can match any offer during 1 year period and has 15 days if the offer was made.

also keep in mind fighters fight 2 or 3 times a year, not 80 and theres no regular season.

also you cant compare mma to other established sports. outside of ufc demand for mma is almost nonexistent

 

[avenue94]

thats not true.

ufc can match any offer during 1 year period and has 15 days if the offer was made.

also keep in mind fighters fight 2 or 3 times a year, not 80 and theres no regular season.

also you cant compare mma to other established sports. outside of ufc demand for mma is almost nonexistent

And again, your average sports team doesn't have 600 athletes on roster. How many times they perform a year is irrelevant, especially since team and UFC income is partly insulated by media deals. OK, what sport are we supposed to compare mma to? The answer is pretty clearly boxing, but I'm gonan guess you have an issue with that.

And at any rate, what big sports have a one year matching period (the UFC and Bellator match also isn't a year)?

 

[grimballer]

And again, your average sports team doesn't have 600 athletes on roster. How many times they perform a year is irrelevant, especially since team and UFC income is partly insulated by media deals. OK, what sport are we supposed to compare mma to? The answer is pretty clearly boxing, but I'm gonan guess you have an issue with that.

And at any rate, what big sports have a one year matching period (the UFC and Bellator match also isn't a year)?

you compare mma to mma...

also restricted fa usually means for that year team can match any offer

which is similar to ufc

 

[NFLDer]

I don’t think I seen anyone complain as much about someone else’s pay as the no job broke fucks here on sherdog. The only time you worry about other people’s money is when you have none yourselves. Stay broke bitches!

 

[BEATDOWNS]

1. Not your bub, guy.
2. Not sure what you think you are waiting on, but I responded to your comment already.
3. You seem to be missing the concept of guarantee. A three fight contract does not mean the UFC has to give a fighter three fights. It does mean the fighter has to give the UFC three fights. It's a one way commitment. Long contracts with the UFC do not benefit fighters.

Ok i am going to throw you a bone dumbass how many times has a fighter been cut after two fights then. How many times has the UFC not honored a three fight contract? answer the question or fuck the fuck off!

 

[BEATDOWNS]

You have this weird habit of blatantly misrepresenting things and using hyperbole and then claiming to be a victim when it’s pointed out.

Yeah this guy is a complete dumbass can't even understand how show/win contracts work. lmao

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Ok i am going to throw you a bone dumbass how many times has a fighter been cut after two fights then. How many times has the UFC not honored a three fight contract? answer the question or fuck the fuck off!

No doubt many fighters have been cut from the UFC after only two fights, but I can't be bothered to find out how many, because your question is irrelevant to my comment. Can't you see that Mr. Potty Mouth?

A fighter is bound by a long term contract more than the UFC is and gets less advantage from it than the UFC does. The best thing for successful fighters is to be a free agent as often as possible.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

No doubt many fighters have been cut from the UFC after only two fights, but I can't be bothered to find out how many, because your question is irrelevant to my comment. Can't you see that Mr. Potty Mouth?

A fighter is bound by a long term contract more than the UFC is and gets less advantage from it than the UFC does. The best thing for successful fighters is to be a free agent as often as possible.

Kinda like how when you leave a job your supposed to give two weeks notice but can be fired at anytime?

Well No fucking shit Sherlock welcome to the real world. You 100% made it sound like UFC does this all the time and your

so stfu

just because they can doesn't mean they do, dummy.

 

[avenue94]

you compare mma to mma...

also restricted fa usually means for that year team can match any offer

which is similar to ufc

Why would I compare mma to mma, that makes no sense. UFC and Bellator contracts are nearly identical in all all important bits. Why isn't mma comparable to boxing? Or some sport? Or some financial endeavor in some other industry? Surely mma is not so unique that's it's incomparable to every other industry on the planet.

And yes I'm aware thats what restricted fee agency is. I pointed out that unrestricted free agency has no equivalent in mma really.

 

[avenue94]

Yeah this guy is a complete dumbass can't even understand how show/win contracts work. lmao

You get money to show up in the cage, and you get the other half (or whatever fraction it is for a few higher tier guys) if you win. What am I not understanding about show/win in mma

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Kinda like how when you leave a job your supposed to give two weeks notice but can be fired at anytime?

Well No fucking shit Sherlock welcome to the real world. You 100% made it sound like UFC does this all the time and your

so stfu

just because they can doesn't mean they do, dummy.

No, not like that at all. Because while it's considered the right way to go about things to give two weeks notice, most workers can actually leave their company for another job anytime they'd like. Not UFC fighters who want to fight elsewhere. Their employment isn't guaranteed but the exclusivity can last for years. Look at poor Dan Hardy begging to be cut nine years after his last fight in the UFC.

Long term contracts do little for UFC fighters. Successful fighters will earn more if the few major MMA orgs are forced to compete for their services as often as possible.

You are both rude and wrong. It's like a War Room thread in here.