There should be new law specifying the UFC contract

[avenue94]

No, not like that at all. Because while it's considered the right way to go about things to give two weeks notice, most workers can actually leave their company for another job anytime they'd like. Not UFC fighters who want to fight elsewhere. Their employment isn't guaranteed but the exclusivity can last for years. Look at poor Dan Hardy begging to be cut nine years after his last fight in the UFC.

Long term contracts do little for UFC fighters. Successful fighters will earn more if the few major MMA orgs are forced to compete for their services as often as possible.

You are both rude and wrong. It's like a War Room thread in here.

I wouldn't expect much from him, he's a big fan of the show/win money structure and thinks it's there to benefit fighters, as opposed to promoters. That kind of thinking

 

[BEATDOWNS]

No, not like that at all. Because while it's considered the right way to go about things to give two weeks notice, most workers can actually leave their company for another job anytime they'd like. Not UFC fighters who want to fight elsewhere. Their employment isn't guaranteed but the exclusivity can last for years. Look at poor Dan Hardy begging to be cut nine years after his last fight in the UFC.

Long term contracts do little for UFC fighters. Successful fighters will earn more if the few major MMA orgs are forced to compete for their services as often as possible.

You are both rude and wrong. It's like a War Room thread in here.

They fight the three fights they are done with the contract and are free to move on.

contracts how do they work!? lmfao

 

[BEATDOWNS]

I wouldn't expect much from him, he's a big fan of the show/win money structure and thinks it's there to benefit fighters, as opposed to promoters. That kind of thinking

and you idiot ass doesn't understand what a 'bonus' is if you get a 20k/20k contract you are valued at 20k not 40 the other 20k is a 'bonus' say it with me slowly 'a bonus'

but who would want that


incentive how does it work!? lmfao

 

[grimballer]

Why would I compare mma to mma, that makes no sense. UFC and Bellator contracts are nearly identical in all all important bits. Why isn't mma comparable to boxing? Or some sport? Or some financial endeavor in some other industry? Surely mma is not so unique that's it's incomparable to every other industry on the planet.

And yes I'm aware thats what restricted fee agency is. I pointed out that unrestricted free agency has no equivalent in mma really.

thats like saying why compare a plumber to a plumber?

why not compare him to a lawyer?

mma is unique cause its new sport and ufc = mma.

now if you think you figured things out and could do better job than ufc, get yourself some investors, start your own promotion and watch all the talent flock to your promotion.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

Sign the dotted line, or drop to 9+9

 

[agibmxmma]

UFC makes slaves from their fighters, once they sign contract, they can´t fight anywhere else, until they cut them or contract is finished. There should be also the time expiration, like you can´t sign contract which would have effect longer than 2 years. For example the Jones or GSP thing, they basically have 0 leverage in negotiation with UFC.
In other sports you also sign for seasons/time not for matches..
Commission / law change/ fighter union would fix that.

Why do those who don't make career in this sport care and bring this up often? Reality is, most other sports are like such. Too many orgs, too many "pro fighters", etc etc.. for a union, collective bargaining agreement, etc etc.. even if trying to compare to Boxing like many without understanding do, then you clearly don't grasp business nor the situation you make topic of. If one doesnt want to sign the contract, then they don't and renegotiate. If they sign, that's on them, not the UFC or any org. Why should Jones, a cheat who has lied multiple times and has a rather narcissistic holier then the next attitude, and a retired GSP have any leverage like you expect them to somehow have?

 

[agibmxmma]

Dude, of course they run out of contract if they fight - they don´t have other options, but if you don´t fight and you are unactive like Jones/GSP and don´t want to compete anymore in UFC? You are trapped then.
If there was this rule for example you had 4 fight contract yep? You finished 2 fight and you still have 2 fights left, if there was the 1,5 year contract termination you would get some leverage in negotiating your next pay, otherwise you would say - ok don´t give me fight Im gonna wait 7 months more and go to another organisation. Do you see the difference? Don´t be stupid.

You clearly do not understand what you are talking about. And why do you care so much about strangers and their contracts/careers?

 

[avenue94]

and you idiot ass doesn't understand what a 'bonus' is if you get a 20k/20k contract you are valued at 20k not 40 the other 20k is a 'bonus' say it with me slowly 'a bonus'

but who would want that


incentive how does it work!? lmfao

So why is mma the only sport that operates with a pay structure where your base pay is so low that a bonus is straight up equal to it. Incentive is very common in athletics, but it's not 50 percent of your takehome pay. Not even in boxing. It's a shit deal for the athlete.

And if you're arguing that a fighter's value is only their show money then the UFC fighter pay is even worse than most people think.

Again, the 50/50 show/win split is absurd and only there to pad a promoters bottom line. There is a reason few, if any sports, use that structuee.

thats like saying why compare a plumber to a plumber?

why not compare him to a lawyer?

mma is unique cause its new sport and ufc = mma.

now if you think you figured things out and could do better job than ufc, get yourself some investors, start your own promotion and watch all the talent flock to your promotion.

So what makes mma unique compared to boxing? They aren't identical, but you're arguing that mma is so unique they just can't be compared. Which is silly.

Also, how am I supposed to get all these cool fighters to sign with my awesome promotion? It's not like they all come up for free agency at the same time.

 

[avenue94]

Why do those who don't make career in this sport care and bring this up often? Reality is, most other sports are like such. Too many orgs, too many "pro fighters", etc etc.. for a union, collective bargaining agreement, etc etc.. even if trying to compare to Boxing like many without understanding do, then you clearly don't grasp business nor the situation you make topic of. If one doesnt want to sign the contract, then they don't and renegotiate. If they sign, that's on them, not the UFC or any org. Why should Jones, a cheat who has lied multiple times and has a rather narcissistic holier then the next attitude, and a retired GSP have any leverage like you expect them to somehow have?

Aren't fighters supposed to be paid by the revenue they generate? That would be the argument for GSP and Jones at least.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

So why is mma the only sport that operates with a pay structure where your base pay is so low that a bonus is straight up equal to it. Incentive is very common in athletics, but it's not 50 percent of your takehome pay. Not even in boxing. It's a shit deal for the athlete.

And if you're arguing that a fighter's value is only their show money then the UFC fighter pay is even worse than most people think.

Again, the 50/50 show/win split is absurd and only there to pad a promoters bottom line. There is a reason few, if any sports, use that structuee.

So what makes mma unique compared to boxing? They aren't identical, but you're arguing that mma is so unique they just can't be compared. Which is silly.

Also, how am I supposed to get all these cool fighters to sign with my awesome promotion? It's not like they all come up for free agency at the same time.

 

[avenue94]

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Mkay. So sounds like you don't know of any sports where athlete compensation is 50 percent bonuses. Cool, glad we established the obvious

 

[grimballer]

So why is mma the only sport that operates with a pay structure where your base pay is so low that a bonus is straight up equal to it. Incentive is very common in athletics, but it's not 50 percent of your takehome pay. Not even in boxing. It's a shit deal for the athlete.

And if you're arguing that a fighter's value is only their show money then the UFC fighter pay is even worse than most people think.

Again, the 50/50 show/win split is absurd and only there to pad a promoters bottom line. There is a reason few, if any sports, use that structuee.

So what makes mma unique compared to boxing? They aren't identical, but you're arguing that mma is so unique they just can't be compared. Which is silly.

Also, how am I supposed to get all these cool fighters to sign with my awesome promotion? It's not like they all come up for free agency at the same time.

boxing has been around for 100 years, is an olympic sport and is practiced all over the world

mma is a new niche sport where most fighters came over from other disciplines, is/was considered human cockfighting not too long ago and was illegal in many places until recently.

without ufc mma as we know it today probably doesn't exist.

and why are you asking me how you gonna run your promotion? you seem to have figured it out

 

[D'z]

Shill heavy thread this one is.

 

[avenue94]

boxing has been around for 100 years, is an olympic sport and is practiced all over the world

mma is a new niche sport where most fighters came over from other disciplines, is/was considered human cockfighting not too long ago and was illegal in many places until recently.

without ufc mma as we know it today probably doesn't exist.

and why are you asking me how you gonna run your promotion? you seem to have figured it out

Ok, so what costs does the modern UFC have that boxing promoters don't right now, since their sport is so much older?

Also, if it's the age of the sport, what era of boxing is the UFC in 2021 comparable to? Because Gene Tunney was banking McGregor sized paydays.

 

[grimballer]

Ok, so what costs does the modern UFC have that boxing promoters don't right now, since their sport is so much older?

Also, if it's the age of the sport, what era of boxing is the UFC in 2021 comparable to? Because Gene Tunney was banking McGregor sized paydays.

again if you have it all figured out, start your own promotion and get all the top talent for yourself

 

[avenue94]

again if you have it all figured out, start your own promotion and get all the top talent for yourself

So sounds like you realize the "oh boxing is 100 years old excuse" is bullshit. I suppose that's a start.

And why would I do that? I'm I'm fight fan, who's promoting the fighters at this point isn't particularly intererting to me.

 

[grimballer]

So sounds like you realize the "oh boxing is 100 years old excuse" is bullshit. I suppose that's a start.

And why would I do that? I'm I'm fight fan, who's promoting the fighters at this point isn't particularly intererting to me.

the point of all that was outside of ufc mma is almost nonexistent.

now if you claim ufc is not doing good job as a promotion, show them how its done.

 

[avenue94]

the point of all that was outside of ufc mma is almost nonexistent.

now if you claim ufc is not doing good job as a promotion, show them how its done.

So again. What era of boxing is the UFC's state in 2021 comparable to? I'd you can't even take a stab at that, you clearly don't understand combat sports enough to argue that that mma is incomparable to boxing.

 

[grimballer]

So again. What era of boxing is the UFC's state in 2021 comparable to? I'd you can't even take a stab at that, you clearly don't understand combat sports enough to argue that that mma is incomparable to boxing.

again youre comparing a new and niche sport that (until recently) was called human cockfighting and was illegal in many places a 150 year old olympic sport

 

[avenue94]

again youre comparing a new and niche sport that (until recently) was called human cockfighting and was illegal in many places a 150 year old olympic sport

Okaaaay. So, if the difference between those sports is age of the sport, what era of boxing is the UFC at right now? Both sports were largely illegal at their starts and during their growth, both had huge stigmas. And mma uses wrestling as a feeder system often...which is at times an olympic sport