There really is no solid evidence of the supernatural, is there ?

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I see how you subtly attempt to acknowledge faith, certain aspects of religion and/or belief mechanisms yet completely deny the power of God. The Bible makes it very clear who attempts to acknowledge the word yet not the power.

Usurpers.

I also find it humorous you imply anyone who believes in the power of God lacks critical thinking skills. Like critical thinking only applies to scientists and creators of the technical.

Ever heard of lawyers, philosophers and writers?

You just hate God, and it's very obvious. You're fine with religion because religion can exist separate from God.

You are crazy.

I'm open to the idea of God because we have yet to find natural explanations for the things credited to him.

But we've found hundreds of reasons not to believe in demonic possession. The things generaly cited by idiots who believe in demonic possession can and have been explained away by common fucking sense.

There's a reason you can't understand this distinction: your head is so far up your own ass that you can't distuingish people in the real world (me) from the cartoonish super-villains you've created in your own mind.

 

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Seriously, are you just plain dumb? I'm being serious here.

So now when I see something and experience it, it's still not real?

Dude, your car, money and possessions aren't real. Therefore, give them to me.

That's honestly how lame your argument is.

I am so sorry. I had no idea that the way the world worked is completly wrong. I like your version better.

We better fight those reptilians the schizophrenics say are hiding in my smoke detectors. All this time I foolishly believed the correct thing to do was take the schizophrenics for medical help.

When I was a kid, the clothes on my hamper would look like a swamp creature slithering across the floor and I was terrified of him. As an adult I know this is stupid: he was actually keeping me safe this entire time.

The Bible explains clearly what happens when a person is delivered from demonic possession

At first their violent.
Then terrified.
Then, when delivered, will cry out and writher on the floor.
Then they will lay silent.
Eventually, they arise and are white as snow.

When I witnessed this deliverance everything happened exactly like the Bible explained. Everything.

Only someone completely dishonest with themselves would ignore that Biblical knowledge in the back of their mind while witnessing such a deliverance.

It happened exactly how the Bible explained it would.

And before you come back with the predictable, "they could've had a seizure."

Then explain the smell of sulfur so putrid half the congregation had to leave?

The demon leaving the person could have been many medical conditions besides seizures.

The smell could have several logical explanations. I would not be surprised if the leader of whatever get-together this was simply provided the smell of sulfur himself: cult-leaders have done much more extreme things to keep their followers faithful.

 

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I am so sorry. I had no idea that the way the world worked is completly wrong. I like your version better.

We better fight those reptilians the schizophrenics say are hiding in my smoke detectors. All this time I foolishly believed the correct thing to do was take the schizophrenics for medical help.

When I was a kid, the clothes on my hamper would look like a swamp creature slithering across the floor and I was terrified of him. As an adult I know this is stupid: he was actually keeping me safe this entire time.



The demon leaving the person could have been many medical conditions besides seizures.

The smell could have several logical explanations. I would not be surprised if the leader of whatever get-together this was simply provided the smell of sulfur himself: cult-leaders have done much more extreme things to keep their followers faithful.

You hate God. You keep banging your "critical thinking" drum because it makes you appear reasonable but your entire perspective is skewed due to your hatred of God.

The truth is you're the emotional one. Your emotional hatred makes you blind to any possible truths.

BTW, your schizophrenic fear the pastor was pouring sulfur around the church is a nice touch to the delusions you live in.

 

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You hate God. You keep banging your "critical thinking" drum because it makes you appear reasonable but your entire perspective is skewed due to your hatred of God.

The truth is you're the emotional one. Your emotional hatred makes you blind to any possible truths.

BTW, your schizophrenic fear the pastor was pouring sulfur around the church is a nice touch to the delusions you live in.

I don't hate God. I hope heaven is real.

 

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I don't hate God. I hope heaven is real.

If the Bible explains demon possession and deliverance as:

A,B,C,D,E,F

And I and others witnessed:

A,B,C,D,E,F

How is it illogical or given over to critical thought to assume the person was suffering an illness (rather than obvious demonic possession) and the pastor was pouring sulfur everywhere (when he clearly wasn't).

It's not.

Logic tells you that's demonic possession and deliverance just like the Bible describes and just like Jesus performed.

When Jesus would lay hands on a demon possessed individual the demons would scream, "It burns, it burns!"

Fire = it burns

Brimstone = sulfur.

Deliverance is fire and brimstone.

That's too many coincidences.

You're just dishonest with facts. There's far more evidence what I witnessed was demonic possession rather than illness.

In fact, there's zero evidence it was illness. Just in your head.

 

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If the Bible explains demon possession and deliverance as:

A,B,C,D,E,F

And I and others witnessed:

A,B,C,D,E,F

How is it illogical or given over to critical thought to assume the person was suffering an illness (rather than obvious demonic possession) and the pastor was pouring sulfur everywhere (when he clearly wasn't).

It's not.

Logic tells you that's demonic possession and deliverance just like the Bible describes and just like Jesus performed.

When Jesus would lay hands on a demon possessed individual the demons would scream, "It burns, it burns!"

Fire = it burns

Brimstone = sulfur.

Deliverance is fire and brimstone.

That's too many coincidences.

You're just dishonest with facts. There's far more evidence what I witnessed was demonic possession rather than illness.

There's never once been evidence of demonic possession.

There's been plenty of evidence for medical conditions resembling what you've described.

There's also been plenty of evidence for religious leaders going to considerable lengths to manipulate their followers. Assuming no one was deliberately spreading the smell of sulfur, it could have been a case of one excitable person recalling the smell of sulfure and everyone else suddenly doing it, too, because that's the exact, well-documented, unreliable nature of human memory.

It's quite unreasonable to assume that this is the least likely possibility.

 

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Anything we can observe is natural, so no.

 

[DataBreach]

There's never once been evidence of demonic possession.

There's been plenty of evidence for medical conditions resembling what you've described.

There's also been plenty of evidence for religious leaders going to considerable lengths to manipulate their followers. Assuming no one was deliberately spreading the smell of sulfur, it could have been a case of one excitable person recalling the smell of sulfure and everyone else suddenly doing it, too, because that's the exact, well-documented, unreliable nature of human memory.

It's quite unreasonable to assume that this is the least likely possibility.

So when half the congregation left because the smell of sulfur was to powerful for them, did I make that up too?

 

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So when half the congregation left because the smell of sulfur was to powerful for them, did I make that up too?

Maybe. Maybe a few people left and the memory has been distorted over time. Maybe nobody left and your memory is completely wrong. That is something that the human mind literally does all the time.

Maybe there really was a smell, but, again, demonic possession is the least likely scenario. I think it's highly likely that any sulfur smell would have been produced by much more mundane and earthly sources..

The most reasonable statement you can make about this scenario is: "Something very inexplicable happened to me and I'm sure it's demonic possession, but I have no proof of that."

 

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All of us are:

• 6'5 300lbs with 4% bodyfat
• 15" shlong
• bang boise dimes for 144h straight
• bench teh 275
• street fighting record of 500-0

If that isn't proof of supernatural then I dunno what is

 

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Maybe. Maybe a few people left and the memory has been distorted over time. Maybe nobody left and your memory is completely wrong. That is something that the human mind literally does all the time.

Maybe there really was a smell, but, again, demonic possession is the least likely scenario. I think it's highly likely that any sulfur smell would have been produced by much more mundane and earthly sources..

The most reasonable statement you can make about this scenario is: "Something very inexplicable happened to me and I'm sure it's demonic possession, but I have no proof of that."

The Bible is the proof and confirmation of what I saw.

There are too many coincidences between the Bible and what I saw.

The reason you don't see it for what it is is because you don't take the Bible literally as the word of God.

You haven't demonstrated it wasn't demon possession. Just misnomers and conjecture on your part.

 

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The Bible is the proof and confirmation of what I saw.

There are too many coincidences between the Bible and what I saw.

The reason you don't see it for what it is is because you don't take the Bible literally as the word of God.

You haven't demonstrated it wasn't demon possession. Just misnomers and conjecture on your part.

The most likely explanation of all of this is that the person having the seizure smelled sulfur and the people there just accepted that there was sulfur to smell because they didn't know that the smell of sulfur is an early sign of an iminent seizure.

Doesn't that sound much more likely to you? Two well-documented scientific events (the smell before a seizure and manufactured experiences) are much more likely than demonic possession. Yes?

Humans are highly suggestable and you can go onto youtube and watch people getting staggeringly drunk because they don't know they've been drinking fake beer. Highly compassionate, emotional, concerned people trying to help someone who's screaming about sulfur and tearing themselves apart... it's pretty easy to believe these kind-hearted humans would absorb as much of his experience as they could.

 

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The most likely explanation of all of this is that the person having the seizure smelled sulfur and the people there just accepted that there was sulfur to smell because they didn't know that the smell of sulfur is an early sign of an iminent seizure.

Doesn't that sound much more likely to you? Two well-documented scientific events (the smell before a seizure and manufactured experiences) are much more likely than demonic possession. Yes?

Humans are highly suggestable and you can go onto youtube and watch people getting staggeringly drunk because they don't know they've been drinking fake beer. Highly compassionate, emotional, concerned people trying to help someone who's screaming about sulfur and tearing themselves apart... it's pretty easy to believe these kind-hearted humans would absorb as much of his experience as they could.

Are you intentionally being dishonest? The possessed lady didn't smell sulfur the rest of the people in the building did.

The lady said nothing. She screamed and writhed in pain and then fell completely silent.

Nothing like your describing.

 

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Are you intentionally being dishonest? The possessed lady didn't smell sulfur the rest of the people in the building did.

The lady said nothing. She screamed and writhed in pain and then fell completely silent.

Nothing like your describing.

It's highly likely that at some point she (or someone who knew her) communicated that she was smelling sulfur (which is normal for seizures) and pretty soon people were having the extremely common phenomenon of manufactured experiences.

This literally happens all the time. It is very well documented.

It is highly unlikely that it was a demonic possession.

I do not think you are an accurate source of information on this event full of believers eager to believe in demonic possession.

 

[DataBreach]

It's highly likely that at some point she (or someone who knew her) communicated that she was smelling sulfur (which is normal for seizures) and pretty soon people were having the extremely common phenomenon of manufactured experiences.

This literally happens all the time. It is very well documented.

It is highly unlikely that it was a demonic possession.

I do not think you are an accurate source of information on this event full of believers eager to believe in demonic possession.

Now you're literally just pulling stuff out your ass.

She walked in off the street. No one knew her. She said nothing. Someone prayed over her then left.

5 minutes later she screams out in agony and lies on the floor lifeless.

Very slowly people began complaining about the smell. The pastor stopped preaching and told people to wait in the lobby. They opened all the doors to air out the building. It smelt like sulfur for at least 30 minutes. No one imagined anything. What authority do you have to imply we all imagined it? None!

So your first guess was the pastor let off a stink bomb.

Your second guess is we all imagined it.



What's behind door number three?

 

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lol never heard the semen sample thing.

Every story they take semen lol

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Now you're literally just pulling stuff out your ass.

She walked in off the street. No one knew her. She said nothing. Someone prayed over her then left.

5 minutes later she screams out in agony and lies on the floor lifeless.

Very slowly people began complaining about the smell. The pastor stopped preaching and told people to wait in the lobby. They opened all the doors to air out the building. It smelt like sulfur for at least 30 minutes. No one imagined anything. What authority do you have to imply we all imagined it? None!

So your first guess was the pastor let off a stink bomb.

Your second guess is we all imagined it.



What's behind door number three?

Well, assuming that what you're saying is true and that you're not lying (probably the number one cause of superstitious phenomena):

My first guess is unlikely if this wasn't an organized event.

My second guess is still possible.

What was she dressed like? A homeless person? A professional? Was anyone else in the church?

She, other people or the building itself could have provided a sulfurous odour.

This is literally science going on right now. I had a hypothesis and am revising it with additional information. In a clinical setting, if I could not come up with a hypothesis that fit all the facts then I would have to abandon my hypothesis.

Unfortunately, this is not a clinical setting and I have no way of knowing if what you are saying is true. Personally, I suspect you are lying about the events because that is more reasonable in this world than demonic possession.

this is the exact reason why personl experiences, no matter how loudly their veracity is complained, are rarely reliable and certainly do not constitute proof.

 

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Well, assuming that what you're saying is true and that you're not lying (probably the number one cause of superstitious phenomena):

My first guess is unlikely if this wasn't an organized event.

My second guess is still possible.

What was she dressed like? A homeless person? A professional? Was anyone else in the church?

She, other people or the building itself could have provided a sulfurous odour.

This is literally science going on right now. I had a hypothesis and am revising it with additional information.

Unfortunately, this is not a clinical setting and I have no way of knowing if what you are saying is true. Personally, I suspect you are lying about the events because that is more reasonable in this world than demonic possession.

this is the exact reason why personl experiences, no matter how loudly their veracity is complained, are rarely reliable and certainly do not constitute proof.

So door number three was I was lying all along.

Okay, we're done here.

 

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So door number three was I was lying all along.

Okay, we're done here.

This entire thread was about why your personal experiences do not constitute proof. Humans, at their best, are unreliable and, at their worst, are liars.

 

[DataBreach]

This entire thread was about why your personal experiences do not constitute proof. Humans, at their best, are unreliable and, at their worst, are liars.

Maybe the worst of us