There is no difference between Contender Series fighters and Regular UFC direct hires

The Chosen said:
If the DWCS fighters were on TUF we would only get the best one who would win that tournament. DWCS is a glorified prelim show.
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Wait a second here.

Are you seriously trying to say the only fighter from TUF that EVER made it to the UFC was the winner? It's before my time but, I've watched a lot of TUF since. And I know for a fact that many losers from TUF made it to the UFC just based on their performances in the show. They used to do these finale shows which would feature many of the freaking cast on an actual UFC card.
 
Wrong.

Direct hires are usually fighters from top regional organizations who ran through the competition and proved themselves.

The Contender Series usually features fighters with very few total fights against each other. Win one fight against a favorable matchup and you're in.
 
OP is such an obvious and blatant ufc shill, no idea how anyone takes him seriously or even pays attention to him at this point
 
rodn86 said:
Nothing trollish. Just irrational, illogical and divisive.
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There is nothing wrong with celebrating my culture and it's history.

I believe you are miseducated on this topic.

Irish pride, Polish pride, Hispanic pride make sense. Because people are celebrating their culture and heritage.

The thing is with Black Americans we don't really have that connection with their heritage because of slavery. They don't which part of Africa they are from. So black American's don't get to have Sierra Leonean Pride, Nigerian Pride, or Ethiopian Pride because they don't know where they are from.

That is why when Black Americans express pride in their culture and history it's called Black Pride.

You also need to remember that until 1964 Black Americans were separated from the rest of America by law. They had to develop their own black culture that comes with it's own history.

Being prideful of that culture and history isn't condemnation of any group of people rather tribute to our ancestry and culture.

And there is nothing wrong with that.
 
TUF and The Contenders are promotional tools. UFC puts fighters through these shows so people know who they are when they make their UFC debut
 
Yeah, it's funny when people think everyone that comes through Contender Series is a bum

Aliskerov just went though the Contender Series, I guess he's destined to suck now...
 
Post 2 Decision said:
Yeah, it's funny when people think everyone that comes through Contender Series is a bum

Aliskerov just went though the Contender Series, I guess he's destined to suck now...
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It has nothing to do with whether they suck; it has to do with how the UFC got to control this dude on the cheap for extra time and not sign him if they wanted, even if he was already super legit.

See below:
brackis1 said:
Direct signee 1st fight:
12/12k AT LEAST, plus huge bonus chance.
Loss results in at least 1 more fight.
Decision win helps advance career. Injuries covered under insurance.

DWCS scam:
5/5 max; no big bonus
Loss results in no shot at UFC; maaaybe a future DWCS fight
Decision potentially has you cut from UFC. Probably no health insurance. Less travel covered. No ability to market one's self as UFC fighter until after 1st fight rather than at signing.

DWCS allows them way more freedom to pay less and cut guys quickly for no cost.
It's undeniable.

This is only a scam for guys who could have been direct signees. For the actual contender series level fights/fighters, it's not a scam. But if you have 20 guys a season that should have been direct signs, that's at least $200,000 in cost reductions just for 1 fight, let alone all the cost saved from the full contracts and benefits.
The show is a mix of the two: it's corporate cheap product and the reduction of fighter contracts/pay/benefits.
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capnlarge said:
TUF and The Contenders are promotional tools. UFC puts fighters through these shows so people know who they are when they make their UFC debut
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and to get them for CHEAP
These are essential the corporate version of "interns" (if interns took brain damage at work). Paying people less, committing to them for a few weeks, and then hiring a few of them.

The whack part is that unlike corporate internships, which are for college students, the UFC is making some very very legit foreign dudes do "internships" against other "interns", where both fighters would be the equivalent of mid level salary workers already if going with the corporate analogy and measuring their experience level and prior opponents.

Imagine how absurdly unfair it would be if you were someone with 10 years of pro engineering experience and the one company that remained that you wanted to work for made you start as an intern or temp against someone else in the same circumstances.
Meanwhile you find out some other intern has to do way less work against a can where neither guy has any real experience or faced legit guys.
 
Not true.

DWCS awards contracts on single night performances and highlights, which rewards strikers and people who wrecklessly go for the finish.

If you're on a 10 fight streak and you do a boring decision, you'll most likely get skipped. If you're a flashy striker with an incomplete ground game, you'll get in if you score a cool KO against an inexperienced guy.

And this is reflected in the data. DWCS do not do well longterm
 
DjolexMTL said:
Not true.

DWCS awards contracts on single night performances and highlights, which rewards strikers and people who wrecklessly go for the finish.

If you're on a 10 fight streak and you do a boring decision, you'll most likely get skipped. If you're a flashy striker with an incomplete ground game, you'll get in if you score a cool KO against an inexperienced guy.

And this is reflected in the data. DWCS do not do well longterm
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Actually you are wrong about what the data says

How about you check out the ACTUAL STATS BELOW

Zebra Cheeks said:
Last updated in January, I’ll be doing an update after season 4.

when I look at some of the names below, I’m actually very impressed how many standouts there are from the show already



Season 1 – 2017 - SEASON 1 IS FULLY UPDATED.
  • Kurt Holobaugh 0-3 - RELEASED
  • Boston Salmon 0-2 RELEASED
  • Sean O’Malley 2-0
  • Karl Roberson 4-2
  • Geoff Neal 5-0
  • Julian Marquez 1-1
  • Brandon Davis 2-5
  • Mike Rodriguez 1-2-1
  • Alex Perez 5-1
  • Charles Byrd 1-2
  • Grant Dawson 2-0
  • Benito Lopez 2-1
  • Joby Sanchez 0-2 RELEASED
  • Matt Frevola 2-1-1
  • Lauren Mueller 1-3 RELEASED
  • Allen Crowder 1-2 RETIRED
  • Matt Bessette - 0-2 RELEASED
  • Zu Anyanwu - 0-1 RELEASED
  • Casey Kenney - 2-0
  • Kyle Stewart - 0-2 RELEASED
  • Dan Ige - 4-1
  • Austin Arnett - 1-3 RELEASED
  • Julio Arce - 3-2
  • Ricky Simon - 3-2
  • Martin Day - 0-1
  • Steven Peterson - 2-3
  • Mike Santiago - 0-3

Total Record: 44-44-2
Win percentage: 50%

Season 2 – 2018 SEASON 2 FULLY UPDATED
  • Greg Hardy 2-2-1 Inhaler Gate 2019
  • Matt Sayles 1-2
  • Anthony Hernandez 1-1
  • Ryan Spann 3-0
  • Dwight Grant 2-1
  • Antonina Shevchenko 2-1
  • Te Edwards 0-2 RELEASED
  • Bevon Lewis 1-2
  • Jordan Espinosa 1-2
  • Maycee Barber 3-1
  • Edmen Shahbazyan 4-0
  • Jimmy Crute 2-1
  • Sodiq Yusuff 4-0
  • Jeff Hughes 0-2-1
  • Roosevelt Roberts 3-1
  • Ian Heinisch 2-2
  • Juan Adams 1-2
  • Devonte Smith 2-1
  • Kennedy Nzechukwu 1-1
  • Bobby Moffett 1-2
  • Montel Jackson 3-1
  • Kevin Holland 4-2
  • Alonzo Menefield 2-0
  • Domingo Pilarte 0-1
  • Chase hooper 1-0
  • Mike Davis 1-1
  • Kevin Aguilar - 2-1
  • Chris Gutierrez - 2-1
  • Vince Morales - 1-2
  • Jalin Turner - 1-2
  • Jordan Griffin - 0-2
  • Giga Chikadze - 1-0
The combined record for Season 2 = 54-37-2

Winning percentage: 59.3%

SEASON 3 - 2019 - Fully Updated
  • Yorgan De Castro 1-0
  • Punahale Soriano 1-0
  • Miles Johns 1-0
  • Miguel Baeza 1-0
  • Joseph Solecki 1-0
  • Antonio Trocoli 0-0
  • Hunter Azure 1-0
  • Maki Pitolo 0-1
  • Jonathan Pearce 0-1
  • Antonio Arroyo 0-1
  • Ode Osbourne 0-1 The “Picasso” of MMA
  • Don’Tale Mayes 0-1
  • Brendan Allen 1-0
  • Sean Woodson 1-0
  • Jamahal Hill 1-0
  • Billy Quarantillo 1-0
  • Aleksa Camur 1-0
  • Aalon Cruz 0-0
  • Tracy Cortez 1-0
  • Rodrigo Nascimento 0-0
  • Omar Morales 1-0
  • Herbert Burns 1-0
  • Andre Muniz 1-0
  • Brok Weaver 0-0
  • Sarah Alpar 0-0
  • Tony Gravely 0-1
  • William Knight 0-0
  • Phillip Rowe 0-0
  • Duško Todorović 0-0
  • Peter Barrett 0-0
  • Tj Brown 0-0
  • Hannah Goldy 0-1
  • Jacob Kilburn - 0-1
  • Mallory Martin - 0-1
  • Ben Sosoli - 0-0-0-1
Total Record: 15-8-0-1
Winning Percentage: 65.03%

Contender Series Brasil - BRASIL UPDATED
  • Rogério Bontorin 2-0
  • Mayra Bueno Silva 1-0
  • Sarah Frota 0-2 RELEASED
  • Augusto Sakai 3-0
  • Taila Santos 0-1
  • Johnny Walker 3-1
  • Marina Rodriguez 2-0-2
  • Raulian Paiva 0-2
  • Launa Carolina 1-0
  • Thiago Moises 1-2
  • Vinicius Moreira - 0-3
  • John Allen - 0-0-0-1
Total Record: 13-11-2-1
Winning Percentage: 54.12%

Stats:

Debuted Fighters with at least 1 win: 80.5%

Debuted Fighters with more losses than wins: 38.8%

Debuted Fighters with only 1 Fight: 38.8%

Debuted Fighters to have gone on a 3 or more win streak: 8, 11%

Best Record: Geoff Neal (5-0)

Worst Record: Kurt Holobaugh and Vinicius Moreira (0-3)
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brackis1 said:
and to get them for CHEAP
These are essential the corporate version of "interns" (if interns took brain damage at work). Paying people less, committing to them for a few weeks, and then hiring a few of them.

The whack part is that unlike corporate internships, which are for college students, the UFC is making some very very legit foreign dudes do "internships" against other "interns", where both fighters would be the equivalent of mid level salary workers already if going with the corporate analogy and measuring their experience level and prior opponents.

Imagine how absurdly unfair it would be if you were someone with 10 years of pro engineering experience and the one company that remained that you wanted to work for made you start as an intern or temp against someone else in the same circumstances.
Meanwhile you find out some other intern has to do way less work against a can where neither guy has any real experience or faced legit guys.
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Do you also think TUF is a scam?? How is DWCS any different from TUF?
 
Dreyga2000 said:
Actually you are wrong about what the data says

How about you check out the ACTUAL STATS BELOW
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I should update those sooner or later. It’s been a long time. I have a feeling it’s continued to rise as it’s become the most mainstream way of entry.

I never understood the hate. I got it when it was guys who went on tuf and lost and they got contracts anyway. But the contender series, your getting someone who at bare minimum is capable of beating another guy who’s at the very least being considered for a ufc contract.

Considering at one point they were just signing fighters with moderate regional success I feel like this is an excellent method. On TUF you don’t get things like positive matchmaking at when you have your TJ Dillishaw or Tony Ferguson you usually know it within a fight or two. Yet they’d have to go through 3-4 fights. That’s extra mileage on fighters with, in my opinion, not a ton of benefit in most circumstances.

The contender series is highly effective for a lot of reasons. It also allows the ufc to observe marketability, professionalism etc to see if this is someone who at bare minimum can show up on weight and handle their business like a pro, without, you know. Trapping a bunch of grown ass men in a house together whom are all prone to violence and supplying them with free booze and making them fight each other.
 
The UFC could focus on signing champs from the organisations that they feature on fight pass like LFA, Titan FC, CFFC & Fury FC.
 
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