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The War Room Lounge 158: In Ben Shapiro's Bed, No One Can Hear You Scream

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Fawlty Elizabeth said:
Because people want the pitcher to have a better chance in this situation. I think the idea is something like: with a 3-0 pitch and the bases loaded, the pitcher is obligated to throw a strike or a run scores for free, so the batter takes the pitch at a higher frequency. The flipside of that is the batter knows that, which is a big advantage allowing him to exploit the fact that the pitcher must throw a ball that is easier to hit. With a 3-1 pitch, the risk for the batter of taking the pitch is that the count will be 3-2, and the batter will swing at a higher frequency both because the pitch is likelier to be hittable and because he doesn't want to face a pitch with two strikes. And this dynamic gives the pitcher has a little more room to get frisky on 3-1, whereas at 3-0 (with the bases loaded) he doesn't have much room to do anything.

Because the lead in the game is a huge 7 runs (not impossible to overcome, but very unlikely), people think the advantage created by the 3-0 situation is so big that taking advantage of it is poor sportsmanship. But giving the pitcher just that one token of sportsmanship, and letting him try to throw a strike to make the count 3-1, where he isn't as obligated to throw a hittable pitch, the situation is considered more fair.
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Jim Palmer never gave up a grand slam in his whole career (opponents had 213 tries). He said he thought his success there was because he wasn't afraid to walk people, although he also didn't walk many with the bases loaded. He had the biggest gap between his fielding-independent ERA and his actual ERA in history. Part of that was having an all-time great defense behind him, but part of it was that he knew he had an all-time great defense behind him, and despite having the stuff to be a great strikeout pitcher, he didn't normally pitch like one. His control was better than his command (meaning, he wasn't great at hitting spots but he chose to work in the zone and not worry about getting too much of the plate). With the bases loaded, he probably made more of an effort to paint the corners, which led to great results (opposition slashed .196/.230/.234 win those situations).
 
tonni said:
Why in the world would you include card games and chess in the sports categories? I'm not talking about activities that make fat people feel better about themselves.
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Steve Rogers said:
I don't give a shit about sports but card games and chess aren't sports.
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I put “sports” in quotes guys. But they play those events on sports tv channels. And does Olympic air pistol shooting take that much more athleticism than chess or card games? More hand eye coordination is all.
 
HereticBD said:
Sure, but to me, it's like why bother playing the rest of the game if you're not gonna compete? May as well just end it. It's just one of many ego protecting rules they've got, that ultimately just seem childish. The punishment for such grand offence of playing the game to the best of your ability at all times, like throwing a 95mph at a guy's ribs, is equally as childish.
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Yeah, you can chalk it up to laziness. You see it in boxing sometimes, where the two guys seem to have an implied deal: "you don't try too hard to win, and I won't try too hard to knock you out."
 
Jesus H. Sherdog said:
I put “sports” in quotes guys. But they play those events on sports tv channels. And does Olympic air pistol shooting take that much more athleticism than chess or card games? More hand eye coordination is all.
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Sorry, I didn't see your quotes because I was busy rolling my eyes.
 
Jesus H. Sherdog said:
I put “sports” in quotes guys. But they play those events on sports tv channels. And does Olympic air pistol shooting take that much more athleticism than chess or card games? More hand eye coordination is all.
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Basically all shooting Olympic events would be far more entertaining if they had to shoot their fellow Olympians.

The new biathlon could be a bunch of northern Europeans hunting each other to the death in the mountains.

Ratings would skyrocket.
 
Jack V Savage said:
Jim Palmer never gave up a grand slam in his whole career (opponents had 213 tries). He said he thought his success there was because he wasn't afraid to walk people, although he also didn't walk many with the bases loaded. He had the biggest gap between his fielding-independent ERA and his actual ERA in history. Part of that was having an all-time great defense behind him, but part of it was that he knew he had an all-time great defense behind him, and despite having the stuff to be a great strikeout pitcher, he didn't normally pitch like one. His control was better than his command (meaning, he wasn't great at hitting spots but he chose to work in the zone and not worry about getting too much of the plate). With the bases loaded, he probably made more of an effort to paint the corners, which led to great results (opposition slashed .196/.230/.234 win those situations).
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Good post and I didn't know that about Palmer, but I think you have command and control backwards. As I understand it, control refers to your ability to hit the locations you want to hit and command refers to the pitch doing what you want (curveball has sharp break, instead of "hanging"). If he had good command he can miss his spots and still get guys out because he rarely hung a breaking ball and his fastball had good movement, opposed to hanging a curve but hitting the spot and the pitch gets hammered. Then you have a guy like Mariano Rivera who has both and despite throwing one pitch was very difficult to hit (cutter moved and he has exceptional control).

That or I'm misinterpreting what you're saying.
 
HereticBD said:
Sure, but to me, it's like why bother playing the rest of the game if you're not gonna compete? May as well just end it. It's just one of many ego protecting rules they've got, that ultimately just seem childish. The punishment for such grand offence of playing the game to the best of your ability at all times, like throwing a 95mph at a guy's ribs, is equally as childish.
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I think it messes with stats too. I suppose every game I involves a mutually agreed mercy rule but when it’s too formal, then it somewhat makes the rest of the game feel pointless to watch. Like as much as I hate the patriots, I always was fine with them running up scores if they felt a reason to do so.
 
HereticBD said:
Sure, but to me, it's like why bother playing the rest of the game if you're not gonna compete? May as well just end it. It's just one of many ego protecting rules they've got, that ultimately just seem childish. The punishment for such grand offence of playing the game to the best of your ability at all times, like throwing a 95mph at a guy's ribs, is equally as childish.
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I get this but there is also the thing for me that sticks out as well that baseball feels like the one sport other than hockey where players can police themselves to a point. Look what happened a couple years ago when Machado spiked Pedroia and then spiked Brock Holt again for no reason... Umps didn't do shit, no warnings, the league did nothing so... the Red Sox proceed to throw at Machado and be general degenerates, which one does when they're in Boston.

Another example, league did nothing to the Astros PLAYERS involved int he cheating scandal so Joe Kelly goes up there and chucks the ball at the players to prove a point then strikes one out and makes the "cry moar" face at their dugout.

Hockey the self policing is very much more obvious... the rookie scoring star gets laid out? Goon comes in and fights someone.



A player goes after a goalie? You fuck them up even if it gets you kicked out of the game. It's why the "goon" will never truly leave hockey. Every team needs one to keep shit like that from happening.
 
tonni said:
Why do dads get away with being lardasses?
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Canadian dads need to build up a healthy lair of lard over the summer before they find a den to hibernate for the winter.

I don't know about the southern folk of America, or the effete Europeans. Their obesity is without evolutionary justification.
 
Lead said:
I think it messes with stats too. I suppose every game I involves a mutually agreed mercy rule but when it’s too formal, then it somewhat makes the rest of the game feel pointless to watch. Like as much as I hate the patriots, I always was fine with them running up scores if they felt a reason to do so.
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As the Patriots proved too... no lead is truly safe till the clock hits zero.

28-3... never forget.
 
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