The War Room Lounge 158: In Ben Shapiro's Bed, No One Can Hear You Scream

[tonni]

Don't have much motivation for work today. Grumble.

 

[Prokofievian]

I agree with you. Hitters normally take all the way on 3-0, and pitchers, knowing that, tend to just fire fastballs in the zone. And especially with a big lead, players are expected to be really conservative (stealing bases is also looked-down upon, for example). But fuck it. If someone doesn't want to follow those rules, I think it should be his choice. The comment by his manager seems to indicate that he wasn't specifically given the take sign and was just supposed to know (I'm sure he was aware of the convention but took it as a suggestion).

Some people are mad because someone hit a home run?

 

[tonni]

I am now stalking the "who has the guts to post their pic" thread.

 

[Gregolian]

I'm fucking working but listening to the "That Works" YouTube channel. The guys that did ReForged on AWE Me started their own channel with Matt and Ilya doing historical builds and still doing their video game and anime builds too. But they spend more time explaining how/why they do things.

Small part of me wants to learn how to make my own small knives but I don't have the facilities where I live to do it. I'm sure it's something my dad would enjoy playing around with me on so I might still pursue it in a couple months.

 

[Andy Capp]

I am now stalking the "who has the guts to post their pic" thread.

Mine has disappeared from there somehow. Sounds like I should leave it that way.

 

[tonni]

Mine has disappeared from there somehow.

Yeah, apparently.

 

[Gregolian]

Some people are mad because someone hit a home run?

There are some unwritten rules in baseball I get. Not showing up opposing teams and shit by overly pimping home runs and shit but some of them I just don't.

That kid blasting that fastball that was fucking served up on a silver platter being one of them. Also it's what makes me hate Madison Bumgarner.

@Jack V Savage will probably understand more as he watches baseball more but Bumgarner will throw a fucking hissy fit if a player even slightly watches a home run they hit off him but he strikes someone out it's nothing but fistpumps and motioning at the batter to get back in the dugout. The fact more guys haven't tried to hit comebackers at Mad's head or charge the mound when he acts like a douche amazes me.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Some people are mad because someone hit a home run?

Because he swung at a 3-0 pitch up seven runs late in the game (the four runs increases SD's chances of winning from 99.6% to 99.9%), and also because he was visibly happy about the great result from that swing. And the dude is probably the most talented guy to come into the game since Trout.

 

[Gregolian]

Because he swung at a 3-0 pitch up seven runs late in the game (the four runs increases SD's chances of winning from 99.6% to 99.9%), and also because he was visibly happy about the great result from that swing. And the dude is probably the most talented guy to come into the game since Trout.

This is one of those instances where it shows that pitchers are the biggest fucking divas of baseball. Baseball's version of the wide receiver from football.

Now, if it was a well placed 3-0 fastball that wasn't over the middle of the damn plate near belt high you take it? But what reasonable person fucking passes off a chance to try and blast something THAT BADLY placed.

 

[Pseudo Sane]

Well, color me shocked. Peter McKay didn't win the Conservative Party leadership. I really thought it was a foregone conclusion but they went with Erin O'Toole, Veteran's Affairs minister under Harper. In case you're wondering, he looks like Carl Rove and seems just as trustworthy.

To me, that's a good thing. I think if Trudeau steps aside and installs Freeland as PM, the Liberals will be assured of victory in the next election. McKay might have been able to give her a run for her money. This guy, O'Toole, already lost a leadership bid.

It'll be interesting to see. I don't think O'Toole will win a general election unless he manages to produce a more compelling vision of the future than he has to date(I was sorta hoping for Lewis as leader (she nearly won!), but you can't always get what you want).

Also McKay is a liar and a hack, and I'm glad he won't be the leader of the Tories.

Do you think Trudeau will step aside? What's the general zeitgeist back home? I'm just catching up with this WE charity scandal thing now. It honestly makes me a bit sick. It's just so cliche. Even our scandals suck. It's exactly what you imagine it is when you first hear of it. Gimme some pee pee tapes or a pizza parlor full of demons for cryin in the sink.

Trudeau will never step aside. It's not in his nature. There is a large portion of the Liberal party that hates him, but another contingent that is highly personally loyal to him. It's basically a recipe for infighting, especially with Freeland's star on the rise.

The Liberals' downfall has always been personal corruption (see Adscam) and infighting (see Chretien vs Martin), and I fully expect both to be on display for the next few years, thanks to Trudeau's total inability to learn from past experience (I also blame his political staff, who are a bunch of utter twits).

Trudeau's problem in particular, I think, is that he perceives himself as a de facto good person, who does good things, who is friends with good people who do good things, and when he uses government funds to enrich them, he is just a good person giving money to other good people so they can do more good things. He perceives this as a matter of optics, not ethics, by his own admission.

I think Trudeau legitimately doesn't realize that giving large sole-source contracts of taxpayer money to people who are paying his family members hundreds of thousands of dollars and taking him and his ministers on lavish vacations is corrupt.

 

[Trotsky]

Some people are mad because someone hit a home run?

I agree with the critics tbh. It's like throwing play action up late in a football game. No idea of the hockey equivalent.

If you don't want to appreciate sportsmanship norms in sports, you shouldn't have to, but the rebuke that follows shouldn't be discouraged. There are reasons that those norms exist. Namely to maintain civility at the cost of personal production. Going yard on that pitch is akin to spitting in the face of every batter who passed up padding their stats in similar situations. If doing that isn't condemned, then there's no reason for everyone not to do it.

 

[Sketch]

Mine has disappeared from there somehow. Sounds like I should leave it that way.

I’m one of the lucky ones thankfully who got to see it. You definitely bench 275.

 

[Gregolian]

I agree with the critics tbh. It's like throwing play action up late in a football game. No idea of the hockey equivalent.

If you don't want to appreciate sportsmanship norms in sports, you shouldn't have to, but the rebuke that follows shouldn't be discouraged. There are reasons that those norms exist. Namely to maintain civility at the cost of personal production.

The comparison in hockey would be the backup goalie going in for the opposing team when you're ahead by like 5-6 goals. You don't keep running your first team out there to keep raking up scores... BUT, you still keep shooting the goddamn puck.

With baseball I can get not watching home runs for too long (case point the way Carlos Gomez pimped his HR years ago against the Braves). But in terms of 3-0 counts when your team is up a lot of runs... you can watch one but the fucking fastball can't be a goddamn meatball like this one was.

Fucking Ted Williams could have groved that thing and he's dead.

 

[BEER]

I agree with the critics tbh. It's like throwing play action up late in a football game. No idea of the hockey equivalent.

If you don't want to appreciate sportsmanship norms in sports, you shouldn't have to, but the rebuke that follows shouldn't be discouraged. There are reasons that those norms exist. Namely to maintain civility at the cost of personal production.

I don't even watch baseball, but I read about some of this shit.

It's honestly dumb. If you don't want someone to hit a grand slam, don't let three guys get on base and then throw an easy hit on a 3-0 count. That simple. Be better.

 

[Sketch]

WARNING: AN EMOTIONAL ASS LOVE LETTER TO THE War Room.

I might check Railsea. If I may ask what books would you say define your youth? (this extends to all the loungers. @Sketch @Limbo Pete @irish_thug @Andy Capp and @HereticBD I really would like to know this from y'all)

I read a lot, but I find that page turning anticipation of fiction kind of lost from modern literature. It's honestly one of the saddest parts of the internet age, a words worth is almost meaningless now. It's so sad to me. In my studies I came across a letter that was almost hard to believe. (I got the book off the shelf for this)

Of course.. it's Zinn, in reference to free educated black children in the North about slavery in the south. This is a quote from a free black girl, knowing what was happening down south. Just listen, a seven year old, I swear we've lost the meaning of speech and it's going to take incredible writers to bring it back, or at least aspiring writers to suffer for it, anyway her words..

" Dear schoolmates, we are going next summer to buy a farm and to work part of the day and to study the other part if we live to see it and come home part of the day to see our mothers and sisters and cousins if we got any and see our kind folks and to be good boys and when we get a man to get the poor slaves from bondage. And I am sorrow to hear that the boat... went down with 200 poor slaves from up the river. Oh how sorrow I am to hear that. It grieves my heart so that I could faint in one minute."

Brilliant isn't it? "Grieves my heart so", the weight of it. I used to get beat up by a cunty stepmother for over ten years, who couldn't read, because big words made me sound like a "f*ggot" but yet. I know this sounds rather pathetic, but I want you guys to know. I've had a really rough go of it since this started. I worked really hard, I quit living a life on the road, I lived my life my way, found a wonderful job, have a beautiful apartment, even, for the first time in my life had savings. Those were drained so quickly, I saved my money with the unemployment, first time in my life I ever took a handout, after all I'm a man who survived only on bus fare and doing a show three states over for a slice of pizza, because that was my life. I finally found a home.What a live I've lead, but God did it feel good to have a home. Not a friends couch in a random state headlining a show I spent $100 to get drooling against the window of a greyhound watchin Texas turn to Colorado. A real home. A beautiful decorated apartment. The last of my savings is gone now but I'm not too afraid. Truth be told I'm not good at being an adult, I was stoked to finally learn, even though I'm fucking thirty two (an age I never thought I'd reach mind you)

Anyway, I just want to let you guys know that you've been my saving grace, and I really want to write this dumbass millenial manifesto thing, but I'm glad I know y'all, and you guys inspire the fuck outt of me. Sorry for another long winded post but... yeah. I'm a bit lost right now and it makes me very upset.

I could write you a long post in reply to this. I could tell you what everyone else will about not giving up etc. Instead I will share a quick proverb I made up as it has applied to my life;

‘Sometimes we have to ride our bicycles in the rain’

 

[Fawlty]

I agree with the critics tbh. It's like throwing play action up late in a football game. No idea of the hockey equivalent.

If you don't want to appreciate sportsmanship norms in sports, you shouldn't have to, but the rebuke that follows shouldn't be discouraged. There are reasons that those norms exist. Namely to maintain civility at the cost of personal production. Going yard on that pitch is akin to spitting in the face of every batter who passed up padding their stats in similar situations. If doing that isn't condemned, then there's no reason for everyone not to do it.

I agree with your last sentence.

Seven runs in an inning isn't an insurmountable lead, so I'd be careful with the analogies.

 

[Gregolian]

I don't even watch baseball, but I read about some of this shit.

It's honestly dumb. If you don't want someone to hit a grand slam, don't let three guys get on base and then throw an easy hit on a 3-0 count. That simple. Be better.

If it were a good 3-0 fastball, I could understand taking it, but again, this one was like tee-ball batting practice levels of placement.

Reminds me of Rueben Ventura always getting pissy when Trout hit a comeback at him like Trout tried to hit him:


TBF Ventura was a colossal ass fuck that got saved multiple times from his own doings by Salvatore Perez.

THIS next clip is an unwritten rule I get:


You don't throw at someone's head when you throw at them... and you never, EVER motion as a pitcher that the batter is lucky you didn't throw at their head. I COMPLETELY understand the A's and Lawrie being PISSED at this one. Add in they threw behind Lawrie with a 100mph fastball at like shoulder height? The Royals were a great team but full of fuckheads around this time it appears.

 

[Gregolian]

This channel has several vids that show "breaking unwritten rules" and they show how legit some of them can be and how some of them make sense, but also show how petty some can be.

The first clip with Parra, I get Ellis being pissed that Parra didn't round 1st base till AFTER the ball hit the stands and talking to Parra about it but at the same time your pitcher served that fucking thing up on a silver platter.

The ones of like Bumgarner (again with this douchenozzle) motioning at like David Ortiz or Bryce Harper to run out pop ups always irked me. Like bitch, shut the fuck up it's a basically guaranteed out why should I hustle to first idiot.

Kershaw is another example of a pitcher that thinks he's untouchable. Next game after Parra's HR he throws at him on the first pitch he shows to Parra and immediately starts walking at Parra while Parra is visibly upset. Fuck off Kershaw you fucking douche.

 

[senri]

@Lead @Gandhi

My coach annihilated my toe this morning. We were working takedowns and his knee landed on my toe during the penetration step for a double leg.

I now have a license to butt scoot.

This is good poetry.....

 

[Trotsky]

I agree with your last sentence.

Seven runs in an inning isn't an insurmountable lead, so I'd be careful with the analogies.

I think there are a number of analogies outside of sports, where certain "unwritten rules" exist for preventing mutual loss or ruinous competition (waiting your turn at four-way stops - since everyone doing that would make stops less efficient and more chaotic, not selling below cost to hurt a competitor - because the competitor doing the same would result in both of you going out of business, stuff like that).

Hell, you can even see it in politics. Before the AHCA, there were preexisting norms on public debate and solicitation of bipartisan advice on major bills. It wasn't legally required that you not force through bad bills in the dead of night, but it was appreciated as the right thing to do. The Republicans instead chose to ram through the AHCA with almost no public debate or scrutiny. If Democrats continue to try to observe these norms while Republicans don't, it's to their "competitive" disadvantage. So eventually they won't. And both parties and the country will be worse for it, as major bills become unchecked by the adversarial process. Of course, there are a loooooot of examples of this kind of thing with the McConnell Senate where destroying norms and institutions for short-term political gain is ordinary.