The War Room Lounge 158: In Ben Shapiro's Bed, No One Can Hear You Scream

[AnGrYcRoW]

Hey guys I'm off to rehab again. No internet of course, I'm sure I'll miss you guys more than you'll miss me. Addiction is a bitch.

Check-in is in 4 hours, if anyone has any well-wishes that's cool, if you'd prefer to tell me to go fuck myself that would be very War Room.

I'm feeling very much like Sisyphus at this point, but you gotta keep pushin'. Back in 40 days a better man gents. Best wishes to you all.

Keep at it , I've seen it done , my father and sister bested alcohol , my sister was the last person you'd pick to beat it but it's been almost twenty years for her now .

Everyone has flaws , yours just sucks to have more than most .

 

[Islam Imamate]

Where does it end ?

My dad was like this , you'd try and watch an action movie and it was constantly:
" No one can jump from that height! " Or
something similar

some movies require a suspension of disbelief , in the end the movie either works or it doesn't .

Some movies require more suspension of disbelief and others require less SOD. Dumbo requires a lot, Titanic requires a lot less. TDK isn't trying to be a fantastical film but it does rely on some very interesting coincidences and plot points like the aforementioned scene with the bus after the heist. Why doesn't the bus driver behind the Joker notice or do anything? How could he time that so perfectly? Just little things like that. Its something that for most people doesn't matter the first time around because Ledger's performance and the set pieces are so engaging that you can ignore them. But it doesn't stand the test of time IMO.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Yeah I agree, it is a good movie. But for me rewatch value is an important aspect of a movie and the TDK doesn't really have it compared to other great movies. I still think its good, better than Slumdog Millionaire which isn't even that good on the first watch and yet for some reason got the Oscar for Best Picture, but at the time I thought it was a 10/10 movie when really its more like a 7/10 with some top tier set pieces and one really memorable performance.

I rarely rewatch a movie unless it's been so long I've forgotten most of it lol

 

[Sketch]

Some movies require more suspension of disbelief and others require less SOD. Dumbo requires a lot, Titanic requires a lot less. TDK isn't trying to be a fantastical film but it does rely on some very interesting coincidences and plot points like the aforementioned scene with the bus after the heist. Why doesn't the bus driver behind the Joker notice or do anything? How could he time that so perfectly? Just little things like that. Its something that for most people doesn't matter the first time around because Ledger's performance and the set pieces are so engaging that you can ignore them. But it doesn't stand the test of time IMO.

the bus driver behind is in on it too

 

[Gandhi]

Yea, it didn’t make sense at all. If there’s one thing you need to do to make Batman “realistic”, it would be admitting the condition of Gotham doesn’t allow you to just parade around as a vigilante pacifist and it somehow would work well. There even an opportunity for a turn an movie or two in. Like have him be that way at first then Joker kills someone close to him and you see a shift at how he perceives justice or fixing the city. Would add a lot more depth.

Batman does not kill, you proto right wing Nazis need to go beat off to The Punisher rather than bring your Charles Bronson vigilante snuff fantasies to well established comic book cannon.



































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[Gandhi]

The whole "Batman doesn't kill people" is an outdated and needless complication. Nolan's trilogy stayed faithful with it but, like I said before, it just doesn't make sense considering Batman kicks the shit out of people/throws the off buildings and hasn't killed anybody because of luck. Keaton's Batman had no problem killing people. Gatling guns on the Batwing? Sup fool? Factory full of bad guys? Let me just drop some bombs out of my Batmobile's hubcaps.

Batman's purpose is to be the vigilante outside of the rule of law because the city and police are overrun with criminals.

Keaton was dealing with penguins that could make rockets out of raw sewage, a cat woman that became a super ninja by falling down next to a cat, and a population that voted a monster fish person, the least likely person ever, to elected office (remember this is pre Trump).

Keaton need a Gatling gun just to even the playing field.

 

[Prokofievian]

Hey guys I'm off to rehab again. No internet of course, I'm sure I'll miss you guys more than you'll miss me. Addiction is a bitch.

Check-in is in 4 hours, if anyone has any well-wishes that's cool, if you'd prefer to tell me to go fuck myself that would be very War Room.

I'm feeling very much like Sisyphus at this point, but you gotta keep pushin'. Back in 40 days a better man gents. Best wishes to you all.

Good luck!

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yea, it didn’t make sense at all. If there’s one thing you need to do to make Batman “realistic”, it would be admitting the condition of Gotham doesn’t allow you to just parade around as a vigilante pacifist and it somehow would work well. There even an opportunity for a turn an movie or two in. Like have him be that way at first then Joker kills someone close to him and you see a shift at how he perceives justice or fixing the city. Would add a lot more depth.

The whole "Batman doesn't kill people" is an outdated and needless complication. Nolan's trilogy stayed faithful with it but, like I said before, it just doesn't make sense considering Batman kicks the shit out of people/throws the off buildings and hasn't killed anybody because of luck. Keaton's Batman had no problem killing people. Gatling guns on the Batwing? Sup fool? Factory full of bad guys? Let me just drop some bombs out of my Batmobile's hubcaps.

Batman's purpose is to be the vigilante outside of the rule of law because the city and police are overrun with criminals.

I think it makes enough sense. He's already a vigilante, him going around offing criminals would make him lose whatever moral authority he has and make him public enemy number 1. As is he can work with clean cops like Commissioner Gordan to try and help clean up the streets instead of going rogue like the Punisher.

 

[danny23]

UK would be higher, higher than US, if the Royals revealed all their actual wealth.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Hey guys I'm off to rehab again. No internet of course, I'm sure I'll miss you guys more than you'll miss me. Addiction is a bitch.

Check-in is in 4 hours, if anyone has any well-wishes that's cool, if you'd prefer to tell me to go fuck myself that would be very War Room.

I'm feeling very much like Sisyphus at this point, but you gotta keep pushin'. Back in 40 days a better man gents. Best wishes to you all.

Oh shit, the name ain't no joke. I've been trying to quit the Devil's Lettuce which is hard enough.

It would be fine, if the criminals he caught didn't keep escaping and killing more people. Surely Batman has a breaking point, where he realizes that his morals are doing more harm than good.

That's not really his fault though is it? That's on the cops and prosecutors for not putting them behind bars for good or on the jailers for being unable to keep them behind bars.

UK would be higher, higher than US, if the Royals revealed all their actual wealth.

I was gonna say, surprised the UK is as low as it is but then you made the point about the Royals.

 

[Lead]

I think it makes enough sense. He's already a vigilante, him going around offing criminals would make him lose whatever moral authority he has and make him public enemy number 1. As is he can work with clean cops like Commissioner Gordan to try and help clean up the streets instead of going rogue like the Punisher.

Oh, there’s definitely good reasons for him to try to maintain that code. I just think many situations could present themselves where he either has to kill or there’s innocent casualties or like someone else mentioned, the corruption constantly leads to the criminals being released. You just can’t be put in situations constantly like that and think being a pacifist will work. If it does, he’s 10x better than any villain he faces which is boring.

 

[HereticBD]

That's not really his fault though is it? That's on the cops and prosecutors for not putting them behind bars for good or on the jailers for being unable to keep them behind bars.

At some point, he's gotta share the responsibility. In the Nolan universe, it's a bit contradictory too. He doesn't have to save you if you're terrible enough and headed for you doom, like poor RAG. Oh' but a psychotic terrorist/serial killer clown who even killed the love of his life? Shit, better get the grappling gun out and save him from splattering on the pavement.

His morals are...inconsistent.

 

[Fawlty]

https://www.looper.com/108449/hollywood-wont-cast-jim-caviezel/
Do you love your wife enough to deny yourself J-Lo nudes in person? Jim Caviezal does.

He did snuff porn ffs

 

[Islam Imamate]

Oh, there’s definitely good reasons for him to try to maintain that code. I just think many situations could present themselves where he either has to kill or there’s innocent casualties or like someone else mentioned, the corruption constantly leads to the criminals being released. You just can’t be put in situations constantly like that and think being a pacifist will work. If it does, he’s 10x better than any villain he faces which is boring.

Fair enough.

At some point, he's gotta share the responsibility. In the Nolan universe, it's a bit contradictory too. He doesn't have to save you if you're terrible enough and headed for you doom, like poor RAG. Oh' but a psychotic terrorist/serial killer clown who even killed the love of his life? Shit, better get the grappling gun out and save him from splattering on the pavement.

His morals are...inconsistent.

You have a point but in that specific case with the Joker I think he had thrown the Joker off so if he let him fall he'd obviously be culpable. With RAG he didn't set the train on its path to destruction.

 

[danny23]

I was gonna say, surprised the UK is as low as it is but then you made the point about the Royals.

I think, they lie about their wealth. Difference between them and modern ultra rich capitalists like Bezos, Walton family and Gates is that their wealth is taxed and audited allowing it to be accurately measured and is released to the public. The Royals have no such obligations to release details of their earnings, assets and wealth. They can say whatever they want and we’ll have to believe it. The Queen and her son’s net worths are only half a billion. You would have to be deluded to believe that.
I think their real wealth so vast, you can’t put a number on it. It puts Bezos to shame, will make him look like a mere commoner.
Another certain family are also very wealthy, as much as the royalty. They own some banks.

 

[Islam Imamate]

He did snuff porn ffs

Apparently there's a sequel in the works. If they're gonna make sequels and remakes to everything else I suppose it was only a matter of time until that one got its own sequel.

 

[Fawlty]

Apparently there's a sequel in the works. If they're gonna make sequels and remakes to everything else I suppose it was only a matter of time until that one got its own sequel.

Whoa you're not kidding. It's predictably titled "Resurrection."

oh boy.

Lemme know when they decide to do Jesus Takes Manhattan. lol.

 

[danny23]

Biggest game in the world going on right now.

Spoiler

 

[Prokofievian]

Biggest game in the world going on right now.

Spoiler

Hope PSG takes it.

 

[JDragon]

Hope PSG takes it.

Dat Sheikh money