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As long as we clarify that we're talking about unauthorized citizens voting or people actually voting more than once.
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As long as we clarify that we're talking about unauthorized citizens voting or people actually voting more than once.
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What else would it be?
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Not sure. Just want to make that clear.
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He wrote "unauthorized citizens." Does that mean only felons are admissible here? Unauthorized citizens are still citizens. That's not the same as undocumented workers, illegals, aliens etc....
Might need to get this clarified?
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Jeez.
What I don't want is like, someone moved and didn't update their info and that's "fraud" and counts for this purpose. Initially Trump claimed 3-million-plus unauthorized immigrant votes, and I said he'd be humiliated if he looked into it, and the actual total would be less than 1,000th of his low-end claim. We can throw in, like, double votes or dead people voting (because I doubt there are more than 10 instances of it). I can see double *registrations* being fairly common (that's come out just with Trump's inner circle), but I don't buy people actually going to different states to vote twice, and dead people could be registered, but I doubt many or any actually voted. I didn't think about felons, and that's apparently the only form of this that actually happens a bit (still probably less than 3,000, though).
What's wrong with the clarification I offered? @HereticBD. That's keeping with the spirit of the discussion. Unauthorized citizens plus double votes plus dead people votes = <3,000.
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Yes, actual illegal votes are the only thing that matter. We're betting on actual voter fraud, and not the potential for voter fraud. Everyone already knows that the number of double and triple registered voters is well over 3000. It only counts if they voted in two states.
However, an illegal vote is an illegal vote. Felons and all. I doubt we'll find out the specifics in every case anyways.
So 3000 illegal votes, over/under. We good?
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Felons are not the issue, though. I don't know enough to say about that. Felons voting by mistake (that is, mistakenly not being removed from the lists and not knowing they're not supposed to vote in some states) apparently happens occasionally, but what started the bet was my claim that Trump's claim that there were more than 3 million unauthorized citizen voters was monumentally stupid and the real number would be less than 1,000th of that. I generously agreed to add other forms of voting fraud that don't actually happen, or not in any significant numbers. If you want to back out of the original bet (and acknowledge how full of shit Trump is), we can include felons, but let's bump the number a bit. Say 10,000.
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Nice try, Jack. You're the one trying to weasel out of the bet. Anybody who reads the past few pages, can see that. You're trying to get way too specific, because you know you're going to lose.
3000 illegal votes. That was the bet. That's what you were sooo confident about. An illegal vote is an illegal vote.
You sound a little unsure of yourself. If you want to puss out, just say so.
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I'm so confident that Trump's claim was full of shit, as I said in the original thread. I'll tell you what:
If you openly admit that Trump was lying and that his claim was ridiculous and no one who isn't a literal idiot would buy it, I'll go along with your amended version.
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How 'bout no.
3000 illegal votes was the bet YOU proposed. That was it. How 'bout you stop being a pussy, and just sign off on it already. You are really sounding pathetic right now.
Sign off on it, or puss out. Pick one.
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Hmm. So you won't take the bet we were discussing, and all you have to do to get your new version is admit that the assertion that 3 million unauthorized immigrants voted is knowingly false and absurd, but you won't do that either.
I think that's as good as a win.
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Hmm. So you won't take the bet we were discussing, and all you have to do to get your new version is admit that the assertion that 3 million unauthorized immigrants voted is knowingly false and absurd, but you won't do that either.
You're pathetic.
@Lead, since Jack has no integrity to stand behind the bet he proposed, you can probably forget about this one. Apparently his sig is just too important to him.
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Wait, it's an indisputable fact that Trump is lying, right? I mean, even you wouldn't claim that his assertion is even remotely close to true. But you can't even just say it to get what you want. How much of a hack are you?
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3000 votes. Your proposal.
You pussed out of your own bet, and now you're trolling in a sad attempt to save some face, in your own head. Doesn't get any more pathetic than that.
You're a child.
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Oh', and just in case anybody is not convinced on how full of shit Jack is, here is his original proposal:
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Hmm. I said that you can have the bet you want (even though it's not what we were talking about). I'm just asking you to say something that everyone knows and you also implied first. Again, how much of a hack do you have to be to not be able to just say, "yes, Trump was lying and the real number can't be anything remotely close to what he claimed it was."?
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I'm not going to give you the victory that this whole bet is based on, before the bet is even settled, you tool.
Take the bet, or don't. I don't give a shit. You already look like a fool in this thread, so that's a bigger victory for me than any sig I could ever give you would provide. You should still take the bet though, to save a little bit of face, and prove you have even the smallest of spines.
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