The Ultimate Turtle / 4 Points Thread

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by darkgojira, Jan 3, 2013.

  1. darkgojira

    darkgojira Orange Belt

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    Since these threads keep popping up and the "Ultimate" threads seem to be working I decided to start a Turtle one as well.

    Is it a Guard or a Transitional position? Should you get points when passing to side control/Scarf hold? WHO CARES!!! What can you do from here is what this thread is about. I'll get things started with a few things we already know about and we can get the sweeps, reversals, rolls, sit-outs, single legs, and submissions underway!

    ***Attacking the Turtle is also welcome: Clock Chokes, Sankaku, Chicken Wings, Spiral Rides, Turks, Sprawls, Headlocks, whatever, they're all welcome here!


    Highlights of the Turtle being used:








    SUBMISSIONS:


    Kimura



    Sit out to Kimura



    Telles' Kimura and Knee Bar



    Sambo Knee Bar



    and Knee Lock






    GUARD RECOVERY AND DEFENSE


    Turtle Hook + Triangle



    Recovering Guard



    Half Guard



    Telles Basics



    Bottom Side Control to Turtle






    SWEEPS


    Telles Sweeps






    SIT OUTS, STAND UPS, AND ROLLS


    Basic



    Sit Under + Crab



    Granby



    Power Sit / Shrug



    Power Stand Up



    Leg Defense/One Hook Roll



    Cut Back Roll



    CACC Arm Roll



    Peak Out



    Serious knowledge from Gene Mills:

    http://www.genemills.com/video/flashvideo.php?v=09clinic&w=512&h=288


    Thank you for at least getting the this far, I went through a lot of threads and would like to thank:

    tapskillz - visit tapskillz.com under the forum for Turtle Top and Bottom techniques.
    peidro223 - for the granby school videos
    Jagcorps_esq - Gene mills video knowledge

    Hopefully Calibur can drop some knowledge and snoop dogg can post some gifs
     
  2. Hendo89

    Hendo89 Purple Belt

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    Isnt 'Guard' When the legs are engaged in the position?

    So turtle shouldnt be guard, thats why no points for achieving the position isnt it?

    Or are you saying it should be?
     
  3. KJGould

    KJGould Silver Belt

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    I tend to refer to it as Defensive Position. Given the choice, I still want to be the guy attacking the turtle, than be in turtle.
     
  4. deadlizard

    deadlizard cold blooded

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    Awesome! I've been meaning to start a thread like this to consolidate all turtle position and transitions. Thanks for doing this!
     
  5. darkgojira

    darkgojira Orange Belt

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    Me too, I was bored at work so I just compiled it together. Glad somebody appreciates it. Waiting on more people to post techniques and dicuss strategy
     
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    darkgojira Orange Belt

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    Rocha Kimura

     
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    highlight i made of some random turtle offenses at high level competitions
     
  8. darkgojira

    darkgojira Orange Belt

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    ATTACKING THE TURTLE


    Sambo Achilles Lock



    Sambo Rolling Arm Bar/Knee Bar



    Arm Bar w/ Legs

     
  9. KJGould

    KJGould Silver Belt

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    darkgojira Orange Belt

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    ATTACKING THE TURTLE

    Sankaku to Kimura grip







    Huizinga Roll



    Ushiro Kesa Gatame to Roll

     
  11. crash90

    crash90 Blue Belt

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    This is one of the clearest most direct tutorials I have seen on this position. It cleared up a few issues that I currently have with the move and I can't wait to use it.
     
  12. darkgojira

    darkgojira Orange Belt

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    Glad I could help
     
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    darkgojira Orange Belt

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    KJGould Silver Belt

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    I'm still not a fan of the Turtle Hook. It's one of those "solve one problem, create another" moves.
     
  16. darkgojira

    darkgojira Orange Belt

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    What problem are you talking about?
     
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    KJGould Silver Belt

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    While it stops / restricts movement to get to the over-under lasso position, it's giving the top grappler an ankle pick breakdown opportunity, which can lead to toeholds as well as a broken, flat base to attack.
     
  18. BJJArsenal

    BJJArsenal Brown Belt

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    Can any one answer why Robson suggests you never turn inwards to re-guard from turtle? Lots of people suggest re-guarding to half from turtle, and Robson is the only person I've ever heard to say never turn inwards to get half from turtle.
     
  19. darkgojira

    darkgojira Orange Belt

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    I see. I haven't played around with it, I usually try to single/double and peak out or set up a roll if I can.
     
  20. Carrera26

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    Awesome man. As a Judoka who just moved to BJJ. I end up giving my back too often, but am also able to use the Turtle better than my average rolling partners. Love this stuff!
     

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