The Ultimate Turtle / 4 Points Thread

[darkgojira]

Since these threads keep popping up and the "Ultimate" threads seem to be working I decided to start a Turtle one as well.

Is it a Guard or a Transitional position? Should you get points when passing to side control/Scarf hold? WHO CARES!!! What can you do from here is what this thread is about. I'll get things started with a few things we already know about and we can get the sweeps, reversals, rolls, sit-outs, single legs, and submissions underway!

***Attacking the Turtle is also welcome: Clock Chokes, Sankaku, Chicken Wings, Spiral Rides, Turks, Sprawls, Headlocks, whatever, they're all welcome here!


Highlights of the Turtle being used:








SUBMISSIONS:


Kimura



Sit out to Kimura



Telles' Kimura and Knee Bar



Sambo Knee Bar



and Knee Lock






GUARD RECOVERY AND DEFENSE


Turtle Hook + Triangle



Recovering Guard



Half Guard



Telles Basics



Bottom Side Control to Turtle






SWEEPS


Telles Sweeps






SIT OUTS, STAND UPS, AND ROLLS


Basic



Sit Under + Crab



Granby


Power Sit / Shrug


Power Stand Up


Leg Defense/One Hook Roll



Cut Back Roll


CACC Arm Roll



Peak Out



Serious knowledge from Gene Mills:

http://www.genemills.com/video/flashvideo.php?v=09clinic&w=512&h=288


Thank you for at least getting the this far, I went through a lot of threads and would like to thank:

tapskillz - visit tapskillz.com under the forum for Turtle Top and Bottom techniques.
peidro223 - for the granby school videos
Jagcorps_esq - Gene mills video knowledge

Hopefully Calibur can drop some knowledge and snoop dogg can post some gifs

 

[Hendo89]

Isnt 'Guard' When the legs are engaged in the position?

So turtle shouldnt be guard, thats why no points for achieving the position isnt it?

Or are you saying it should be?

 

[KJGould]

I tend to refer to it as Defensive Position. Given the choice, I still want to be the guy attacking the turtle, than be in turtle.

 

[deadlizard]

Awesome! I've been meaning to start a thread like this to consolidate all turtle position and transitions. Thanks for doing this!

 

[darkgojira]

Awesome! I've been meaning to start a thread like this to consolidate all turtle position and transitions. Thanks for doing this!

Me too, I was bored at work so I just compiled it together. Glad somebody appreciates it. Waiting on more people to post techniques and dicuss strategy

 

[darkgojira]

Rocha Kimura

 

[Patrick F Carey]

highlight i made of some random turtle offenses at high level competitions

 

[darkgojira]

ATTACKING THE TURTLE


Sambo Achilles Lock



Sambo Rolling Arm Bar/Knee Bar



Arm Bar w/ Legs

 

[KJGould]

Billy Robinson on the Long Sitout, learning to Stand Up properly, and the Arm Roll escape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ_mxuCTNUo



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OALJtUQ1qCA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgMTv38sbt0

 

[darkgojira]

ATTACKING THE TURTLE

Sankaku to Kimura grip







Huizinga Roll



Ushiro Kesa Gatame to Roll

 

[crash90]

Peak Out

This is one of the clearest most direct tutorials I have seen on this position. It cleared up a few issues that I currently have with the move and I can't wait to use it.

 

[darkgojira]

This is one of the clearest most direct tutorials I have seen on this position. It cleared up a few issues that I currently have with the move and I can't wait to use it.

Glad I could help

 

[darkgojira]

ttt

 

[darkgojira]

Rolling Arm Bar and Back Take:

http://thedifficultway.blogspot.com/2011/02/juji-gatame-rolls-iatskevitch-and.html

 

[KJGould]

I'm still not a fan of the Turtle Hook. It's one of those "solve one problem, create another" moves.

 

[darkgojira]

I'm still not a fan of the Turtle Hook. It's one of those "solve one problem, create another" moves.

What problem are you talking about?

 

[KJGould]

What problem are you talking about?

While it stops / restricts movement to get to the over-under lasso position, it's giving the top grappler an ankle pick breakdown opportunity, which can lead to toeholds as well as a broken, flat base to attack.

 

[BJJArsenal]

Can any one answer why Robson suggests you never turn inwards to re-guard from turtle? Lots of people suggest re-guarding to half from turtle, and Robson is the only person I've ever heard to say never turn inwards to get half from turtle.

 

[darkgojira]

While it stops / restricts movement to get to the over-under lasso position, it's giving the top grappler an ankle pick breakdown opportunity, which can lead to toeholds as well as a broken, flat base to attack.

I see. I haven't played around with it, I usually try to single/double and peak out or set up a roll if I can.

 

[Carrera26]

Awesome man. As a Judoka who just moved to BJJ. I end up giving my back too often, but am also able to use the Turtle better than my average rolling partners. Love this stuff!