Media The UFC's "Opportunity" Re-evaluated by Gray Maynard

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Substance Abuse said:
Well, that's dramatic, lol.
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Please describe how you came up with a figure that "95% of people on sherdog" already know the details on UFC fight pay.

I literally cannot wait to hear a compelling argument on how that is determined by you.

Go for it
 
rjmbrd said:
Please describe how you came up with a figure that "95% of people on sherdog" already know the details on UFC fight pay.

I literally cannot wait to hear a compelling argument on how that is determined by you.

Go for it
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It was a generalization. You're getting worked up over a nothing burger. Carry on, lol.
 
Substance Abuse said:
It was a generalization. You're getting worked up over a nothing burger. Carry on, lol.
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I'd like to know how me saying you made up a bullshit figure based on nothing is 'worked up.'

Write it out for me, maybe say it out loud. I want you to tell me if it sounds like you said something super stupid.

Legit lol
 
rjmbrd said:
I'd like to know how me saying you made up a bullshit figure based on nothing is 'worked up.'

Write it out for me, maybe say it out loud. I want you to tell me if it sounds like you said something super stupid.

Legit lol
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Would "majority" have worked for you? Lol. I'm laughing as well.
 
Orochimaru 大蛇丸 said:
That's one thing so few fighters/fans get, yes the UFC should pay a fair share to fighters, but as a fighter, it's on YOU to get over, the same way it was on pro wrestlers to get over back in the day. A lot of these guys don't want to promote themselves at all because they view themselves as pure athletes, but it's simply not the same as a regular sport. Most of these guys don't even try, Conor was the star he was in large part because he was the best pro wrestler MMA has ever seen.
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absolutely agree, great post.

without question self promotion is a big part of MMA and combat sports in general. Look at Mohummad Ali, his loud charismatic personality and his antics outside the ring was put on for people to get excited about his upcoming fights. Ali from a young age understood self promotion, so did Conor.

Thats prize fighting, but for some reason its getting compared to team sports.
 
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Siver! said:


If the UFC is only an 'opportunity', and not there to actually make you rich, what is the point of that opportunity?

So you can go and be a celebrity?

I'm telling you, as of 2022, this is the end of Dana White and his business model.
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No it isn’t. The UFC still had shows when they *actually* paid the fighters peanuts. These guys by and large don’t have better options right now, and that’s what will change things, not guys whining about it but doing nothing.
 
Substance Abuse said:
Would "majority" have worked for you? Lol. I'm laughing as well.
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I think to start you would want to consider how many views the site is getting an average day (or week/month blended average) from guests, e.g. lurkers.

Then some consideration on what % of the total traffic is lurkers compared with logged in users, and what the frequency of visiting is for both groups.

If you said "a majority of the people who are logged-in and frequently post that I anecdotally see on this topic" seem to be educated on fighter pay, maybe. That is the exact opposite of my experience and I'm surprised how few people are even aware of the publicly available information on fighter pay. This is a typical experience for me.

If lurkers makes up a large segment of total traffic (without specific knowledge I would bet the farm this is true from Alexa rankings alone) how in the world would you know what 95% of that group know about fighter pay?

In any event, if what you said was funny or interesting that is a good reason to say it. To be a mod and comment on it without a thought? I'd say that a bad look, some might call it a bias. This is one of the hottest topics in MMA and this is a place that pays its bills by attracting an audience who wants to discuss MMA topics.

Cheers
 
rjmbrd said:
I think to start you would want to consider how many views the site is getting an average day (or week/month blended average) from guests, e.g. lurkers.

Then some consideration on what % of the total traffic is lurkers compared with logged in users, and what the frequency of visiting is for both groups.

If you said "a majority of the people who are logged-in and frequently post that I anecdotally see on this topic" seem to be educated on fighter pay, maybe. That is the exact opposite of my experience and I'm surprised how few people are even aware of the publicly available information on fighter pay. This is a typical experience for me.

If lurkers makes up a large segment of total traffic (without specific knowledge I would bet the farm this is true from Alexa rankings alone) how in the world would you know what 95% of that group know about fighter pay?

In any event, if what you said was funny or interesting that is a good reason to say it. To be a mod and comment on it without a thought? I'd say that a bad look, some might call it a bias. This is one of the hottest topics in MMA and this is a place that pays its bills by attracting an audience who wants to discuss MMA topics.

Cheers
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As much as I worked today, I don't really care that you got hung up on a random percentage. You're typically a very good poster and I think you bring a good perspective to the forum, so I humored you being stuck on that with a reply. If you took exception to it, so be it. Cheers as well.
 
Substance Abuse said:
As much as I worked today, I don't really care that you got hung up on a random percentage. You're typically a very good poster and I think you bring a good perspective to the forum, so I humored you being stuck on that with a reply. If you took exception to it, so be it. Cheers as well.
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I generally think you are a good poster too. LOL you humoring people who post here. Thank you for this sage good spirit from upon high.
 
Siver! said:
Respectfully, you're seeing the change happen. You're just assuming the status quo will remain, somehow.

You're a fantastic mod on a forum I've grown in love with, but this "nothing will change unless it's court ordered" is wrong.

They've just lost their top fighter, the most marketable guy in the company's historic heavyweight division, to boxing.

I know these threads will probably get merged into a super thread, but that would be sad.

I legitimately think this forum can play it's part.
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Do you really think Francis is more marketable than Brock was
 
Siver! said:
MMA managers have been hand-picked from day one so that they cause minimal issues.

There's a reason the top sports management agencies haven't been managing MMA fighters, and it's not because they're not qualified or don't understand the sport; it was to limit the blowback.

Francis went to a team that wasn't peculiar to MMA, and it's been a nightmare ever since because UFC brass don't want to deal with high-balling agents, they want yes men.

Francis will get a money fight in boxing because he's a star.
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Francis is not a star and I really doubt he will be able to secure a big money fight in boxing
 
Volador said:
Not sure about the practical, concrete aspects of how the whole thing could be established. The tough thing is no one wants to give up their spot to benefit the next generation of guys, that's the tricky part.
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To oversimplify, you need half of the several hundred fighters to sign a card check (language barriers). And you need to convince Brazilian fighters that 12k is a shit deal in the US even tho it goes farther there. And it's an individual sport.

This is all to say a union won't happen.
 
Gray sure did get a lot of opportunities before finally going down. Shouldnt have fallen in love with his hands!
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
Brock is the most marketable guy the UFC HW division has ever seen. they didn't lose Ngannou to boxing, they lost him for 1 super fight, if that even happens, and that's it.

where is this change we're seeing happening? fighters have been griping about pay for years.
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It's not so much about boxing, but about the possibility of self promoted fights making more money for fighters than the UFC promoting them.
 
Substance Abuse said:
Nothing will change unless it's court ordered. I firmly believe that. The UFC should pay fighters more, and the bigger names should get a higher percentage while the floor is higher for those who are working their way up.

1,000 threads won't make a difference either way.

Still, if you're a fan of a fighter, there are ways to support them. You could purchase some of their merchandise if you are so inclined.
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Court or just an union.
If all the fighters unionized the UFC would be forced to work with them. But we saw how the fighters want to join any union so....
 
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