The UFC would've been better off just letting Ngannou box

[CatchtheseHands]

Ngannou isn't good at selling a fight, and while he has a great highlight reel, the stuff that doesn't make the reel largely ranges from boring to really painful to watch.

And Alex is good at selling a fight? Yeah, those 3 fights that didn't make the highlight reel really take away from the THIRTEEEN fights that did.

Seriously?

It's called charisma and a genuine warrior spirit. Alex has that. Francis does not. It's not that hard.

Alex is out on Instagram live talking to his followers driving his Lambo around as the UFC calls and asks him to defend on 10 days notice. He accepts without hesitation or any negotiation whatsoever, hangs up, smiles at the camera, and simply says Chama.

Exactly as you expect him to.

Lol are you trolling? Alex has even less charisma than Francis. Also you forgot to mention the part where the UFC calls Alex and offers him a fuck ton of money to take the fight on 10 days notice. You act as if he's just accepting fights on 10 days notice with no monetary incentive.

 

[MotorCityCobra]

They assumed Francis-Fury would look like Francis-Joshua that's why.

 

[killakillakilla]

Francis' name is brought up in relation to fighting people in the UFC. Not PFL where he is.

Not a single person gives a flying fuck about PFL's actual HW title that's on the line next week or matching up that winner with Francis to "unify" their two HW belts. Which is obviously what PFL's going to do next year to cater to Francis as they already did by not signing him to their HW division where he'd have to fight 4x to be their PFL champion and it would reset yearly. You know, as the "L" in "PFL" stands for. They'll have him fight their 2024 PFL HW champ in early 2025 and then likely start their 2025 season without either of them in it.

And which their unification superfight is going to do another 10,000 buys. If that given it only did 10,000 cause Renan was at least somewhat intriguing as a fellow big guy and coming off a credible enough win over Bader.

Rinse and repeat that Ngannou fights the 2025 PFL HW champ in early 2026 assuming he hasn't lost or retired yet. Just bringing him out every time they get a new PFL champ for him to fight as a "final boss".

The actual only somewhat interesting fight in PFL for Francis is Nemkov and they'll never make it. They don't want Nemkov LNPing Ngannou and they don't want Ngannou KOing him.

Francis' MMA career is dead.

Francis is currently making more money per mma fight than any other mma fighter by a long shot, including those in the UFC. It’s quite a hard stretch to claim his “mma career is dead”. That’s a ridiculous statement.

The PFL doesn’t have nearly the fan base that UFC does and no one knows who their fighters are. But I don’t think of that as a reflection on Ngannou. If the UFC suddenly booked and announced Ngannou vs Jones today it would still be the biggest mma fight in history.

Honestly even if the ufc booked Ngannou vs a no name fighter it would get more views than Ngannou vs Nemkov in PFL simply because it would be in the UFC.

 

[markg171]

Lol are you trolling? Alex has even less charisma than Francis.

If you think Francis is more charismatic than Alex then show us your PPV receipts for his last 3 fights where you choose to pay to see him. I mean, he's so charismatic right? Surely you must've paid to see him then.

Alex's every day stone face routine is a MEME that's hilarious to people BECAUSE he's not that at all UNTIL he's in the cage where he absolutely does lock in and everybody can see clear as day he has 2 separate personalities. Only absolute autists with zero social cues don't find him charismatic.

Also you forgot to mention the part where the UFC calls Alex and offers him a fuck ton of money to take the fight on 10 days notice. You act as if he's just accepting fights on 10 days notice with no monetary incentive.

I didn't forget anything, it's just completely irrelevant. The UFC knows they can call Alex, and the fans can rely on him, to step up because he's a fighter who actually enjoys fighting and testing himself like that. You're acting like he didn't do it 3 fucking times this year alone. That's not simply a monetary thing.

Francis doesn't get those kind of calls and nobody expects him to accept them, regardless of pay, because we all know he's not a fighter's fighter who would ever actually do that.

Once again proving yourself to be quite the autist if you can't at all tell the difference between those two type of people like 99% of people can and why they like someone like Alex over Francis.

 

[markg171]

Francis is currently making more money per mma fight than any other mma fighter by a long shot, including those in the UFC. It’s quite a hard stretch to claim his “mma career is dead”. That’s a ridiculous statement.

The PFL doesn’t have nearly the fan base that UFC does and no one knows who their fighters are. But I don’t think of that as a reflection on Ngannou. If the UFC suddenly booked and announced Ngannou vs Jones today it would still be the biggest mma fight in history.

Honestly even if the ufc booked Ngannou vs a no name fighter it would get more views than Ngannou vs Nemkov in PFL simply because it would be in the UFC.

Cool strawman pivoting from Francis having zero viable opponents he can fight and that's why I said his MMA career is dead to instead arguing a made up point that PFL is burning through cash to keep Francis fighting nobodies.

Really great man, continue. Hope you post your PPV receipt for Francis vs Goltsov/Popov winner "super fight" in early 2025.

 

[killakillakilla]

Cool strawman pivoting from Francis having zero viable opponents he can fight and that's why I said his MMA career is dead to instead arguing a made up point that PFL is burning through cash to keep Francis fighting nobodies.

Really great man, continue. Hope you post your PPV receipt for Francis vs Goltsov/Popov winner "super fight" in early 2025.

Dude you’re the person claiming that the mma fighter making the most money’s career is dead. Think about how illogical that is and the fact that you actually feel that way shows me your bias here.

 

[killakillakilla]

Cool strawman pivoting from Francis having zero viable opponents he can fight and that's why I said his MMA career is dead to instead arguing a made up point that PFL is burning through cash to keep Francis fighting nobodies.

Really great man, continue. Hope you post your PPV receipt for Francis vs Goltsov/Popov winner "super fight" in early 2025.

And you know most people stream now. Go ahead and show me your PPV receipts for any ufc card. UFC 300 was the biggest card in recent history. You certainly paid for it right? Post your receipt.

 

[Kevster]

Nah they definitely wouldn’t have, he went almost 3 years between MMA fights, boxing twice in that time.

The only reason he even had a fight in PFL is because he got flattened by AJ, he always wanted an MMA contract as a back up.

We know One FC walked away because he was demanding a seat on the board and the ability to set his opponents purse on top of the guaranteed 20m they offered.

There’s a reason he ended up at PFL and it’s not because it was first choice.

 

[CatchtheseHands]

If you think Francis is more charismatic than Alex then show us your PPV receipts for his last 3 fights where you choose to pay to see him. I mean, he's so charismatic right? Surely you must've paid to see him then.

You do understand that Francis can be more charismatic than Alex but still not be as charismatic as someone like Conor?

Alex's every day stone face routine is a MEME that's hilarious to people BECAUSE he's not that at all UNTIL he's in the cage where he absolutely does lock in and everybody can see clear as day he has 2 separate personalities. Only absolute autists with zero social cues don't find him charismatic.

Dude Alex and Francis are not far apart in regards to Charisma at all. You talk as if Alex is Conor or Izzy. Yeah, Alex KO's people how is that any different than from what Francis does? And before you try to use the Lewis or Stipe fights to try and deny it, Alex also had some performances that weren't all that great. Jan and Bruno Silva come to mind.

I didn't forget anything, it's just completely irrelevant. The UFC knows they can call Alex, and the fans can rely on him, to step up because he's a fighter who actually enjoys fighting and testing himself like that. You're acting like he didn't do it 3 fucking times this year alone. That's not simply a monetary thing.

No it's not completely irrelevant, do you honestly think Alex would step up 3 times this year on like 2 weeks notice if he wasn't going to get compensated? Alex enjoys fighting and testing himself, Yeah and so do a lot of other fighters.

Francis doesn't get those kind of calls and nobody expects him to accept them, regardless of pay, because we all know he's not a fighter's fighter who would ever actually do that.

Once again proving yourself to be quite the autist if you can't at all tell the difference between those two type of people like 99% of people can and why they like someone like Alex over Francis.

Francis was too busy answering calls from rich Saudi's who paid him more money to box than Alex has made in his entire career up until this point.

If I'm an autist you're retarded.

Nah they definitely wouldn’t have, he went almost 3 years between MMA fights, boxing twice in that time.

The only reason he even had a fight in PFL is because he got flattened by AJ, he always wanted an MMA contract as a back up.

We know One FC walked away because he was demanding a seat on the board and the ability to set his opponents purse on top of the guaranteed 20m they offered.

There’s a reason he ended up at PFL and it’s not because it was first choice.

ONE FC is the worst place to sign as an MMA fighter. He was better off getting with PFL. ONE bleeds even more money than PFL.

 

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I suspect a big factor is Dana knew Jon was ducking Francis so wasnt really that interested in bending much to try and keep him, if he kept Francis Jon wasnt fighting.

 

[Kevster]

You do understand that Francis can be more charismatic than Alex but still not be as charismatic as someone like Conor?


Dude Alex and Francis are not far apart in regards to Charisma at all. You talk as if Alex is Conor or Izzy. Yeah, Alex KO's people how is that any different than from what Francis does? And before you try to use the Lewis or Stipe fights to try and deny it, Alex also had some performances that weren't all that great. Jan and Bruno Silva come to mind.

No it's not completely irrelevant, do you honestly think Alex would step up 3 times this year on like 2 weeks notice if he wasn't going to get compensated? Alex enjoys fighting and testing himself, Yeah and so do a lot of other fighters.

Francis was too busy answering calls from rich Saudi's who paid him more money to box than Alex has made in his entire career up until this point.

If I'm an autist you're retarded.




ONE FC is the worst place to sign as an MMA fighter. He was better off getting with PFL. ONE bleeds even more money than PFL.

The credibility of One FC as an organisation wasn’t the point, it was big Franky’s diva demands.

When only a single organisation was willing to give into them it’s a clear sign he’s a nuisance to deal with.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Lol are you trolling? Alex has even less charisma than Francis.

you're WAY off the mark here. Alex is the most Charismatic personality in the UFC today.

Alex is even more charismatic than conor.

 

[Alacran]

Exactly which organization do you see PFL letting Francis fight for?

He boxed Fury and Joshua

 

[theincognito]

Best case scenario would have been Francis not signing with PFL.

UFC would have gone all out if they had a chance at him immediately after the Fury fight.

 

[killakillakilla]

Best case scenario would have been Francis not signing with PFL.

UFC would have gone all out if they had a chance at him immediately after the Fury fight.

I kind of agree with this and think the best scenario would’ve been for the UFC to have just worked a contract with Ngannou that allowed him to box.

 

[killakillakilla]

The credibility of One FC as an organisation wasn’t the point, it was big Franky’s diva demands.

When only a single organisation was willing to give into them it’s a clear sign he’s a nuisance to deal with.

“When only a single organization was willing….”

lol Dude there are only 3 MMA orgs that are large enough to afford Ngannou and 1 of the 3 took the deal. Also the Saudis invested tens of millions in him. I’m not sure what your point is.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Yes and no. I'm no fan of Dana White's mafia tactics and contracts that amount to indentured servitude.

However, it's a real problem if the UFC lets its champions box whenever they want. I think if Ngannou wanted to box, he should have been forced to vacate the HW title.

 

[Kevster]

“When only a single organization was willing….”

lol Dude there are only 3 MMA orgs that are large enough to afford Ngannou and 1 of the 3 took the deal. Also the Saudis invested tens of millions in him. I’m not sure what your point is.

The Saudis didn’t “invest” they’ve been throwing obscene amounts of money into boxing for a while now, they want the spectacle, thats it.

The point really isn’t hard to get, the question was if the UFC should just have let him box, there only being 3 organisation's isn’t really relevant.

The deal he got from PFL clearly wouldn’t have been good for the UFC, he wasn’t just asking for a one and done boxing match, we know this because he had 2 in a row, had he landed a haymaker on AJ peeps would have been talking about him in world title fights.

Having your HW champ box whenever he wants with a multimillion dollar contract as a back up isn’t smart.

Honestly peeps trying to claim the UFC somehow dropped the ball in this sound just as silly as those trying to claim big Franky never played a blinder on a personal level.

 

[markg171]

You do understand that Francis can be more charismatic than Alex but still not be as charismatic as someone like Conor?


Dude Alex and Francis are not far apart in regards to Charisma at all. You talk as if Alex is Conor or Izzy. Yeah, Alex KO's people how is that any different than from what Francis does? And before you try to use the Lewis or Stipe fights to try and deny it, Alex also had some performances that weren't all that great. Jan and Bruno Silva come to mind.

No it's not completely irrelevant, do you honestly think Alex would step up 3 times this year on like 2 weeks notice if he wasn't going to get compensated? Alex enjoys fighting and testing himself, Yeah and so do a lot of other fighters.

Francis was too busy answering calls from rich Saudi's who paid him more money to box than Alex has made in his entire career up until this point.

If I'm an autist you're retarded.




ONE FC is the worst place to sign as an MMA fighter. He was better off getting with PFL. ONE bleeds even more money than PFL.

This is a lot of text to try and avoid answering whether or not you think Alex is more charismatic and popular than Francis.

It wasn't a trick question mate.

 

[CatchtheseHands]

The credibility of One FC as an organisation wasn’t the point, it was big Franky’s diva demands.

When only a single organisation was willing to give into them it’s a clear sign he’s a nuisance to deal with.

A person not giving into an organizations demands does not correlate to them being a nuisance to deal with because the whole point of negotiations is for both parties to get what they want or as close as they can to what they want. It's not about one party getting all that they want while the other does not.

This is a lot of text to try and avoid answering whether or not you think Alex is more charismatic and popular than Francis.

It wasn't a trick question mate.

I already told you like 2 posts ago, Francis is just barely more charismatic than Alex. Try reading what I'm saying.