The UFC would've been better off just letting Ngannou box

love the avatar @killakillakilla, just watched that episode earlier this week

and yes, i think youre right. the UFC wouldve made a LOT of money if they co-promoted that boxing match. at the time, Fury was still undefeated and perceived as the best HW in the world. its always funny to me when people turn down a guaranteed shitload of money to maybe possibly make an even bigger shitload of money, then that venture doesnt work out and they didnt make any money from that first opportunity.

as of right now though, that ship has sailed. Francis is where he is now. there's rumors that Deontay Wilder wants to box him, im down for that. there's also the next PFL season (which i will watch purely for the fights, the PFL has no idea how to pace an event to save its life. goddamn its boring)
 
Alacran said:
Well, one of the arguments you hear a lot here is "if you don't like the contract, don't sign" and francis did just that.
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Francis made a lot of money. That's great for Francis. Probably pretty horrible for the people who had to pay out those paydays for an insignificant return, but great for Francis. The fans lost out more than anything. UFC is ticking on just fine.
 
Domitian said:
Francis made a lot of money. That's great for Francis. Probably pretty horrible for the people who had to pay out those paydays for an insignificant return, but great for Francis. The fans lost out more than anything. UFC is ticking on just fine.
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How did the fans lose?
 
ultra321 said:
Ngannou lost to Lewis in the most boring fight ever... Male or Female... was shown up in boxing which he couldn't afford to happen if he wanted to pursue that at high levels long term.
now he's in arguably the #3 MMA promotion crushing cans after the others laughed in his face due to his unreasonable demands... his stock is sinking... the UFC doesn't want to be tied to that... Nor a fighter that gets beaten every time he tries something else... Then on top of it all pisses and moans at every turn about how he could be doing better else where. And when he gets the chance to make a massive carreer out of it... blows it. Some Peoples heads are just too fat to deal with...
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If Ngannous stock was sinking you wouldn’t hear his name in mma communities as much as before, but that’s not what is occurring. His name is still brought up all the time, and now his name is also routinely brought up in boxing communities as well.

Francis made more money in 2 boxing fights than he would’ve his entire UFC career. There are many more people in the world that know who he is now than before he boxed Fury. I’m sure his social media following has grown as well. I’m not sure how or what metrics you are using to determine that his stock has gone down. I think the opposite has occurred.
 
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killakillakilla said:
If Ngannous stock was sinking you wouldn’t hear his name in mma communities as much as before, but that’s not what is occurring. His name is still brought up all the time.

Francis made more money in 2 boxing fights than he would’ve his entire UFC career. There are many more people in the world that know who he is now than before he boxed Fury. I’m sure his social media following has grown as well. I’m not sure how or what metrics you are using to determine that his stock has gone down. I think the opposite has occurred.
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"you wouldn’t hear his name in mma communities as much as before"
We're Not...

"Francis made more money in 2 boxing fights than he would’ve his entire UFC career"
Really prove it....we don't know what he actually made for any of it... all these 'Money Floyd Mayweather' numbers that get thrown around are part of the show... what they actually get to keep after expenses and marketing is paid is a fraction of that...
 
killakillakilla said:
I don’t recall reading anything that said Francis turned down an offer from UFC to co-promote or share revenue. I don’t think that happened. I don’t think the UFC considered it at all. They maintained a hard line at “Francis cannot box at all while under UFC contract”.
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Right, UFC didn't want him to do it and he didn't want their hands in his cookie jar.
 
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Bojka said:
Would've set a bad precedent for other contracts. They lot Conor Box, but that was 1 fight and it was Conor. They also took a cut.
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They would have taken a cut of Francis' earnings, too, for 2 huge heavyweight fights. They could still pick and choose which fighters they allow to box, just the big names where they can make easy money by taking a cut.

Clearly the Conor-Mayweather fight left a bad taste in their mouth since he was out of the UFC for so long, and they basically said no more boxing. Dana was unwilling to budge so Francis left and Dane was butt-hurt despite it being his own fault. He decided "no boxing" was more important than keeping Francis. Plus he was mad that he couldn't always get his way any more with keeping the champs locked down like back in the good old days with Couture
 
Domitian said:
Francis chases money, Alex chases Glory. Fans can recognize the difference.
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Then why did Alex ask for that 303k bonus at 303 if he's just about the glory?
Doctor Grudge said:
Because Alex had a rivalry with the most popular UFC fighter (Israel Adesanya) which made more people pay attention to him.

Alex visually sticks out also. He has a stern, no nonsense face, has a unique ritual walk during his entrance to the ring, and wears Native American war paint . Alex Peireira comes off more like a movie character than Ngannou, which helps tremendously for drawing.
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Except Alex was less of a draw during the rivalry than he is now. People were already writing Alex off after he got flatlined by Izzy. It wasn't until he won the 205 strap that he really became a draw. Also lets not act as if Big Frank was doing nothing to bring himself attention. He decapitated Overeem and went on 2 title runs in which he was deading people left and right as well as brutally murdering Stipe. It makes literally NO sense why he isn't really a draw.
 
RichardHarrow said:
Ngannou thought he was Mcgregor. Sorry you don’t rake in those kind of numbers.
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Ngannou never thought he was Mcgregor lol. But he did think that he had the opportunity to gain a lot of fame and money by boxing and he was absolutely right. If your argument is that Ngannou made a mistake by leaving the UFC, I think the majority of fight fans in the world would disagree with you.
 
Depends if the AJ fight also happened or not. If it was a one and done deal for Fury he could have come back to the UFC with his stock through the roof and the UFC would have benefited big time. But the AJ fight made him less marketable than he was before he ever went to boxing. If he'd have come back to the UFC after that AJ fight and beaten Jon and/or Tom it would have made the whole division look even dumber than it already does.
 
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