The TUF 20 Fantasy League - General Discussion & Analysis (Registered Players Only!!)

[Arkain2K]

That sealed the deal. Picking Daly due to her lucky charm.

Anyone else think Natalie Dormer looks like a certain TUF 20 contender in her new role as Cressida in the new Hunger Game: Mocking Jay?

 

[Better Every Day]

This preview opens by saying "with only three episodes left until the live finale..."
I think that count would be including the episode being previewed, would it not? If so that means only two episodes follow the Ais vs. Jessica fight.

That should be one episode for these two fights: Rose vs. Jo Jo, and Carla vs. Tecia.

Carla will definitely be fighting in the episode on the 3rd. She has scheduled a viewing party.

 

[SeverianB]

That sealed the deal. Picking Daly due to her lucky charm.

Anyone else think Natalie Dormer looks like a certain TUF 20 contender in her new role as Cressida in the new Hunger Game: Mocking Jay?

Arkain2K s intimate knowledge of tween movies is creepier than my obsession with Waterson.

Just sayin'.

 

[Furious George]

Hunger Games was surprisingly a pretty good book/film series. If you can look past the typical tween romance bullshit theres a good underlying dystopian story, shame it's never built upon properly and is unbelieveable (these families just give up their fucking kids no sweat, it's stupid)

I'd recommend you give it a go, but make sure you read/watch Nineteen Eighty-Four, They Live and more recently Utopia, the mayberry was going fucking wild for that show until they cancelled it, absolutely unparalleled TV viewing.

When I talk shit online, in my mind I like to think I look like Roddy Piper in They Live, 80's hairdo and all.

 

[Arkain2K]

No age demographic gets to own a movie about an oppressed people rising up against a dystopia, no matter if the main protagonist is Jennifer Lawrence wielding bows and arrows like in Hunger Games, Christian Bale wielding katanas and automatic pistols like in Equilibrium, Hugo Weaving wielding "fancy knives and karate gimmicks" in V for Vendetta, or Sylvester Stallone wielding so-bad-it's-good dialogues like in Demolition Man.

 

[JarlSkuld]

Hunger Games was surprisingly a pretty good book/film series. If you can look past the typical tween romance bullshit theres a good underlying dystopian story, shame it's never built upon properly and is unbelieveable (these families just give up their fucking kids no sweat, it's stupid)

I'd recommend you give it a go, but make sure you read/watch Nineteen Eighty-Four, They Live and more recently Utopia, the mayberry was going fucking wild for that show until they cancelled it, absolutely unparalleled TV viewing.

When I talk shit online, in my mind I like to think I look like Roddy Piper in They Live, 80's hairdo and all.

"Hunger Games" loses a lot of its appeal if you`ve ever read/watched the book/comic/movie it directly copied - "Battle Royale". The film version is so shocking, I believe it still has never found a willing distributor in the U.S.

But I will give you props for recommending "1984" (Orwell). It, along with "Brave New World" (Huxley) and "We" (some Russian guy), make up the grand trilogy of dystopian futures - all are great works of fiction (or, someday, fact).

I will also acknowledge that you have good taste in movies bringing up, not only a John Carpenter film, but certainly one of his best - "They Live". [TIPS HAT]

Jarl

 

[Arkain2K]

Battle Royale is widely available in the U.S by means of DVD/Blu-ray/Netflix for several years now.

I watched it (with English subtitle) with some college buddies back in the early 2000s. Aside from the exquisite and ample violence (and bestow on us the future Gogo in Kill Bill), the storyline is extremely shallow and the premise to be sorely lacking. We all looked at each other and laughed when it was explained that this annual Junior High school death-match was mandated by the Japanese government because some years ago, Japanese students decided to walk out of their class, therefore the youngins nowadays must be "taught a lesson in obedience for the adults". Like, really? That's the best excuse that they could come up with?

I consider Battle Royale to be a Slasher/Thriller flick with a limited scope confined to the exploring of the blood-soaked inter-personal relations between the victims on the killing island, with the biggest dilema being "what I have to do to survive" and "who will die next". Meanwhile, The Hunger Games is a full-blown Scifi/Action/Adventure series, with a much wider scope that reveals the political machination behind a futuristic dystopian society, and how every actions by the protagonists inside the arena directly affects the people in the outside world. A single move could induce fear, brings forth hope, or cause eventual downfall for those in power.

Did Battle Royale trail-blaze this "confined death match" concept for future movies to build upon? May be it did, may be not, but then again the Romans already did all that in their colliseum a thousand years ago, with "enemies of the Republic" being forced to kill each other to survive, in order to make an example for all those who would dare to defy the might of Rome. Spartacus and his fellow Gladiators certainly did not need the script for Battle Royale when he lead millions of slaves in the rebellion against the Rome I think.

Hey waitta minute! So we had these "uncivilized savages" from the boonies defying the cultured/advanced/rich/powerful Capital City's demand for submission, they lost after a bitter war, which leads to the next generation being forced into death matches with various types of weapons provided by the event's organizers, some of these reluctant fighters became seasoned warriors in the process of surving the arena, and then work together to leads the common folks in a direct confrontation against the mighty Capital? The premise for Spartacus' rebellion sounds a lot more like Katniss and her crew than a group of Japanese school kids being kidnapped by their teacher!

To seals it off, any comparison between Battle Royale and other movies is simply moot, since the crappy-ass "Battle Royale: Requiem" sequel already tanked the whole ship when it tried to expand the original film's paper-thin plot, by taking on a new anti-America theme that is even more mind-boggling than the already-outlandish "adults vs. kids" premise.

So, did The Hunger Games novels really "directly copies" Battle Royale wholesale like some newspapers' film critics alleged?

As the owner of both DVDs as well as the complete "Spartacus" box set, I ask "What revolutional idea is there to be directly copied??"

 

[Better Every Day]

it was explained that this annual Junior High school death-match was mandated by the Japanese government because some years ago, Japanese students decided to walk out of their class, therefore the youngins nowadays must be "taught a lesson in obedience for the adults". Like, really? That's the best excuse that they could come up with?

In Japan, you don't drop your class, your class drops you...

 

[Ashenthorn]

Don't forget "The Running Man" starring the late great Richard Dawson who basically plays the same role as the Caesar Flickerman character in the Hunger Games.

 

[Charlie77]

Did you notice the JoJo Warwagon thread was wastelanded when we started discussing this topic?

Speaking of JoJo, UFC executive Garry Cook was on the MMA Hour on Monday saying the organization wants to host an event in Scotland because Calderwood was becoming such a starlet. Could that be construed as a possible spoiler?

 

[Arkain2K]

• There are 3 Quarter Final fights, 2 Semi Final fights, and 1 Championship fight remaining in the season, with a grand total of 18 points still up for grabs.
• Matches between the already-eliminated participants on the TUF 20 Finale card are NOT part of the tourney.
• *Everyone* in the House will get to fight on the Finale card, excepts for Justine Kish (blown ACL). These pro fights will likely determine the first official UFC SW Rankings chart.
• It hasn't been announced who will fill in for Kish yet, so feel free to speculate and twitter-bomb Sean Shelby to suggest a replacement of your choice (Gadelha or VanZant perhaps?)

TUF 20 Quarter-Finals Bracket​

 

[Better Every Day]

18 points is a lot of points, considering that the points leader currently only has a total of 17 points!

 

[fortheo]

Battle Royale is widely available in the U.S by means of DVD/Blu-ray/Netflix for several years now.

I watched it (with English subtitle) with some college buddies back in the early 2000s. Aside from the exquisite and ample violence (and bestow on us the future Gogo in Kill Bill), the storyline is extremely shallow and the premise to be sorely lacking. We all looked at each other and laughed when it was explained that this annual Junior High school death-match was mandated by the Japanese government because some years ago, Japanese students decided to walk out of their class, therefore the youngins nowadays must be "taught a lesson in obedience for the adults". Like, really? That's the best excuse that they could come up with?

I consider Battle Royale to be a Slasher/Thriller flick with a limited scope confined to the exploring of the blood-soaked inter-personal relations between the victims on the killing island, with the biggest dilema being "what I have to do to survive" and "who will die next". Meanwhile, The Hunger Games is a full-blown Scifi/Action/Adventure series, with a much wider scope that reveals the political machination behind a futuristic dystopian society, and how every actions by the protagonists inside the arena directly affects the people in the outside world. A single move could induce fear, brings forth hope, or cause eventual downfall for those in power.

Did Battle Royale trail-blaze this "confined death match" concept for future movies to build upon? May be it did, may be not, but then again the Romans already did all that in their colliseum a thousand years ago, with "enemies of the Republic" being forced to kill each other to survive, in order to make an example for all those who would dare to defy the might of Rome. Spartacus and his fellow Gladiators certainly did not need the script for Battle Royale when he lead millions of slaves in the rebellion against the Rome I think.

Hey waitta minute! So we had these "uncivilized savages" from the boonies defying the cultured/advanced/rich/powerful Capital City's demand for submission, they lost after a bitter war, which leads to the next generation being forced into death matches with various types of weapons provided by the event's organizers, some of these reluctant fighters became seasoned warriors in the process of surving the arena, and then work together to leads the common folks in a direct confrontation against the mighty Capital? The premise for Spartacus' rebellion sounds a lot more like Katniss and her crew than a group of Japanese school kids being kidnapped by their teacher!

To seals it off, any comparison between Battle Royale and other movies is simply moot, since the crappy-ass "Battle Royale: Requiem" sequel already tanked the whole ship when it tried to expand the original film's paper-thin plot, by taking on a new anti-America theme that is even more mind-boggling than the already-outlandish "adults vs. kids" premise.

So, did The Hunger Games novels really "directly copies" Battle Royale wholesale like some newspapers' film critics alleged?

As the owner of both DVDs as well as the complete "Spartacus" box set, I ask "What revolutional idea is there to be directly copied??"

The battle royal movie pales in comparison to the manga, and even the book in my opinion. But If you're only comparing movies then your points stand.

 

[iThrillhouse]

18 points is a lot of points, considering that the points leader currently only has a total of 17 points!

yup, 45 points available for this entire bracket and the max anyone's been able to get is 17....its a real tough pick 'em event!

FWIW
most people still have a shot, it doesn't take much

Spoiler

 

[Arkain2K]

18 points is a lot of points, considering that the points leader currently only has a total of 17 points!

Since we gonna be seeing double-features starting next week, fortunes shall rise and fall in record time!

3 points on November 26th (Penne vs. Daly)
6 points for December 3rd (Esparza vs. Torres, JoJo vs. Thug Rose)
6 points for Dec 10th (Penn/Daly winner vs. Esparza/Torres winner, Markos vs. JoJo/Rose winner)
3 points for the Finale a mere two days later on Dec 12th.

This schedule-cramming by FOX is because of baseball. I hope they will air two Semi Final episodes back to back each week to make up for that lost air time, instead of compressing them into one hour.

yup, 45 points available for this entire bracket and the max anyone's been able to get is 17....its a real tough pick 'em event!

FWIW
most people still have a shot, it doesn't take much

Spoiler

I wouldn't be surprised if the scoreboard reshuffles this week, and flips upside-down in the two weeks after that

PS: fastwinstondoom informed me that he officially throws in the towel. A moment of silence for our first fallen comrade!

 

[Better Every Day]

This schedule-cramming by FOX is because of baseball. I hope they will air two Semi Final episodes back to back each week to make up for that lost air time, instead of compressing them into one hour.

It would be nice to have a couple of two episode Wednesdays. But considering that the preview said "with only three episodes left until the live finale", I doubt that is going to happen.

 

[battery]

Since we gonna be seeing double-features starting next week, fortunes shall rise and fall in record time!

3 points on November 26th (Penne vs. Daly)
6 points for December 3rd (Esparza vs. Torres, JoJo vs. Thug Rose)
6 points for Dec 10th (Penn/Daly winner vs. Esparza/Torres winner, Markos vs. JoJo/Rose winner)
3 points for the Finale a mere two days later on Dec 12th.

This schedule-cramming by FOX is because of baseball. I hope they will air two Semi Final episodes back to back each week to make up for that lost air time, instead of compressing them into one hour.



I wouldn't be surprised if the scoreboard reshuffles this week, and flips upside-down in the two weeks after that

PS: fastwinstondoom informed me that he officially throws in the towel. A moment of silence for our first fallen comrade!

that's still a lot of points to be had in the few coming weeks! good luck one and all! :wink:

we will fly flags at half-mast for fastwinstondoom today. :icon_sad:

...oh, and since the universe has seen fit to end his curse and simultaneously bless severianb with the gift of clarvoyance, i'm copying his pick AGAIN thie week!?!

 

[JarlSkuld]

@Arkain2: We`ll have to agree to disagree on Battle Royale vs. Hunger Games...but you will have to turn in your B-Movie Expert title if you are going to go with teen-appropriate Twilight Games (Divergent was right up there, too, as far as watered-down Twilight-esque "sci-fi" goes) over the god of B-movies, Battle Royale (The Clockwork Orange of our times).

As for the remaining 18 points...you can pick all the winners correctly and still only get 6 points. The winner of this thing is going to have to summon Connor McGregor-like clairsentience to pick exactly when and how it happens. It will....be....well, it might be me. I`ve kind of worked out in my head who I think the last two fighters will be. I just need to think about how they will get there.

Jarl

 

[Ashenthorn]

Very interesting. In the public poll thread, Daly is currently picked as the winner by an almost 2-1 margin. In the Fantasy League, Penne is currently picked as the winner by an almost 2-1 margin.

 

[Furious George]

"Hunger Games" loses a lot of its appeal if you`ve ever read/watched the book/comic/movie it directly copied - "Battle Royale". The film version is so shocking, I believe it still has never found a willing distributor in the U.S.

But I will give you props for recommending "1984" (Orwell). It, along with "Brave New World" (Huxley) and "We" (some Russian guy), make up the grand trilogy of dystopian futures - all are great works of fiction (or, someday, fact).

I will also acknowledge that you have good taste in movies bringing up, not only a John Carpenter film, but certainly one of his best - "They Live". [TIPS HAT]

Jarl

Carpenter films rule, it goes without saying but Escape from New York, is also essential viewing, my alltime favourite film is Halloween (78) btw.

Shocking as in shit, or shocking as in "wat the fuck"