International The "Trump Effect" just hit Canada

[rikibobby]

Did you watch the full video? He goes into detail.

I'm in manufacturing. There has definitely been a huge labor shortage and for the past couple of years hiring has been overwhelmingly immigrant. Mine is one of the only white faces in the plant, and let me tell you, they're paying the immigrants nothing.

The education angle is absolutely true, too. Education is almost free for citizens and incredibly expensive for immigrants and foreign students.

Also, it's worth pointing out that this thread called it the "Trump effect", which it obviously isn't. Trump played on xenophobia, demonizing immigrants, blaming them for lies he was making about crime, while Trudeau pointed to big business taking advantage of the process.

TLDR: Canada loosened immigration restrictions to meet labor demand and didn't tighten them fast enough when that demand passed, which they're doing now.

Education is almost free for citizens? What the fucknare you talking about? That is utter bullshit.

 

[gatchaman]

Immigration is only part of th eissue. You need to put it in context. PM blackface was informed in 2017 that his immigration policy was going to cause a housing crisis and he did nothing abou tit. He doubled our national debt- not deficit but DEBT with nothing to show for it except causing crazy inflation. He hamstrung our oil and gas sector which hammered our dollar which again fueled

So comparing only immigration policies is only part of the story

Either way, we are in a bad situation

Okay, immigration was only part of the story, the part in which Maxime Bernier was called a racist under Operation Cactus when he was running against Scheer.

From: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/project-cactus-kinsella-daisy-ppc-bernier-1.5372715

Spoiler

Audio recordings shared with CBC News reveal political strategist Warren Kinsella told employees working on a campaign against the People's Party of Canada that leader Maxime Bernier was a "racist" and a "white supremacist" who would be "easy" to expose in the lead-up to the federal election campaign.
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In that same May 16 recording, Kinsella is heard telling staff that "Hamish and Walsh" will start to ask what Daisy Group is delivering on Project Cactus if they don't start "spilling some blood." Kinsella again refers to both "Hamish and Walsh" in a separate meeting discussing Project Cactus on May 30.
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Hamish Marshall was the Conservatives' 2019 federal election campaign manager, while John Walsh is the former president of the Conservative Party and was a co-chair of the election campaign.

Do Hamish and Walsh owe Maxime Bernier an apology?

As for the other part of the story, this part: "He hamstrung our oil and gas sector which hammered our dollar" What was O'Toole's position on the carbon tax?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carbon-tax-conservatives-1.5988407

Name a platform where the Conservative Party of Canada got it right and Maxime Bernier didn't.

 

[Lycandroid]

phone call between trump and trudeau leaked !!

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Trudeau's administration is to massively cut migration into Canada.

Trudeau is just about the most liberal leader of any country in the world, but he's seeing the massive cost of having large numbers of migrants moving into a country. I never in a million years he would do something like this. And their migrant problem is not even 1% of a drop in the bucket compared to ours.

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He's just trying to save his skin before the election.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Do you agree with it? IIRC you told me Canada should be taking in more immigrants.

Yeah but that was before he got the updated talking points from Trudeau

 

[Deleted member 592570]

What are the demographic issues?

Too many white people

 

[Loiosh]

Education is almost free for citizens? What the fucknare you talking about? That is utter bullshit.

McGill Domestic Student Tuition

Domestic students pay an average of CAD$7,400 per year in tuition, with a range of CAD$3,000 to CAD$11,000 per year depending on if you are a local Quebec citizen. McGill also offers a number of scholarships and bursaries to help domestic students with their tuition costs.

Sep 4, 2024

 

[Loiosh]

Yeah but that was before he got the updated talking points from Trudeau

I watched the video, repeated what Trudeau said, agreed in places and admitted I don't have much information. You're free to challenge any any of the logic I presented.

 

[Croo67]

All the World Economic Forum countries are trying to temporarily cool their collective agenda because the natives are reaching boiling point.

They’ll ramp it back up again in a few months and ensure civilised lands are infested with cavemen.

 

[Blunderbuss]

It's not a "Trump effect." It's a natural consequence of making mistakes. When you realize that you fucked up, of course you try to fix it. Anything else would be utter madness. And eventually even the dumbest, most deluded fuckers on the far left manage to wrap their heads around the fact that mass immigration from radically different cultures tends to be a bad idea. Across the border from me right now, the Swedes are scrambling to undo the mess that their politicians' desperate, stupid fucking virtue signaling and world class naivety has created there. In their case it's probably going to be too late, seeing as the mess will keep growing faster than their ability to fix it, but at least they finally woke up. The same Swedish loons that used to shriek "Islamophobia!" and "racism!" when questioned whether this mass immigration experiment was really such a good idea, are now begging others to not make the same mistake as them.

And trust me, Donald Trump has nothing to do with that. It's just classic learning "the hard way." If only humans beings were actually willing to use their brains a little bit before making a decision...

I'm one of the deluded fuckers who thought it was a good idea and some of my current closest friends are from India or the Phillipines. We brought in way too many. There's no place for them to go, most of them have to get two (shit) jobs minimum. You've got to pull it back because I have random new Canadians stopping me and asking me if I know of any places that are renting.

 

[Madmick]

Trudeau's administration is to massively cut migration into Canada.

Trudeau is just about the most liberal leader of any country in the world, but he's seeing the massive cost of having large numbers of migrants moving into a country. I never in a million years he would do something like this. And their migrant problem is not even 1% of a drop in the bucket compared to ours.

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Guessing he has an election coming up?

LOL. Looksie, another insincere change-up in policy in a desperate bid to convince gullible Canadians that his party is the one that really cares about the nation's border security. Can't wait to hear all the robots online telling everyone how it proves that Trudeau takes illegal migration seriously, and how he was against all those mass importations of immigrants that his country didn't want in the first place. Totally didn't mean it. He didn't believe in it despite doing it year after year for the past decade. This public service announcement at the goal line totally proves it!

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

I'm sure in a place like Brazil, a middle developed country, the change would be more apparent. Countries like Brazil were able to leap frog their technology and culture from US influence, and skip some steps that US and UK and other more advanced economies had to go through first.

Governments are trying to come to grips with the fact that the infinite growth forever model isn't going to work for much longer and no one really has a plan for it. Immigration isn't a solution either, there simply aren't enough willing migrants in the world to service China's needs, let alone the rest of the world.

The United States is actually better off than most other developed countries BECAUSE of our historic relationship with immigrants. Some cities in China have a birthrate of .4 or .5 per family. An institutionalized immigration process like the US has is one of its greatest strengths.

It is a strenght if the US is a dynamic optimistic society.

College became the Chines Public Service Exam from the Ming Dynasty, Recently only 20% of companies started rejecting DEI commissars, actual optimistic pop culture products for adults in the US are rarity and they commonplace in the 90s, repsect in pop culture was taken away from any sort of manual laborer no matter how skilled or smart he is or how much money he /she makes.

So an Indian can go from the caste system into a wannabe caste system.

 

[Lycandroid]

McGill Domestic Student Tuition

Domestic students pay an average of CAD$7,400 per year in tuition, with a range of CAD$3,000 to CAD$11,000 per year depending on if you are a local Quebec citizen. McGill also offers a number of scholarships and bursaries to help domestic students with their tuition costs.

Sep 4, 2024

we got 25% of canadians living in poverty 7400 is not next to nothing in this economy, if 7400 is nothing to you maybe you should put some new canadians through school.

Guessing he has an election coming up?

LOL. Looksie, another insincere change-up in policy in a desperate bid to convince gullible Canadians that his party is the one that really cares about the nation's border security. Can't wait to hear all the robots online telling everyone how it proves that Trudeau takes illegal migration seriously, and how he was against all those mass importations of immigrants that his country didn't want in the first place. Totally didn't mean it. He didn't believe in it despite doing it year after year for the past decade. This public service announcement at the goal line totally proves it!

Trudeau is going to be copying the CPC platform more and more as we move towards the election, Canadians with there heads stuck in their pussies will be turning back to Trudeau if it means they can vote for change and at the same time not vote for the evil conservatives and still maintain moral superiority

 

[Kassitus]

for what ? his joke party split the vote and put Trudeau back in power

This is the mindset that will turn Canada into full uniparty mode with no hope for change. Look at European politics where big changes actually get done. A populist far right party like the Swedish Democrats win 15ish percent of the vote, the centre right party has to work with them or at the very least appease their voters and the result is real tangible change. Pierre is on video pandering to the Khalistani types wearing "stop deportation" t shirts, and refused to denounce immigration levels until 5 minutes ago, long after over 76% of Canadians knew levels were too high. If Bernier gets 2% of the vote I fully expect the Cons to grant 350k pr cards per year and act like saviors.

 

[rikibobby]

McGill Domestic Student Tuition

Domestic students pay an average of CAD$7,400 per year in tuition, with a range of CAD$3,000 to CAD$11,000 per year depending on if you are a local Quebec citizen. McGill also offers a number of scholarships and bursaries to help domestic students with their tuition costs.

Sep 4, 2024

We just applied to 4 universities in Ontario for my son who goes next year. McGill wasn't on the list as we are out of province and English speaking, so we would have been at the $11,000 mark. None of the Ontario schools would be less than $10,000 a year for tuition and closer to $20,000 a year with residence. Our savings plan starting at birth will likely not even cover 2 years. I mean that is basically free right?

 

[rikibobby]

This is the mindset that will turn Canada into full uniparty mode with no hope for change. Look at European politics where big changes actually get done. A populist far right party like the Swedish Democrats win 15ish percent of the vote, the centre right party has to work with them or at the very least appease their voters and the result is real tangible change. Pierre is on video pandering to the Khalistani types wearing "stop deportation" t shirts, and refused to denounce immigration levels until 5 minutes ago, long after over 76% of Canadians knew levels were too high. If Bernier gets 2% of the vote I fully expect the Cons to grant 350k pr cards per year and act like saviors.

Utter bullshit again. Pierre was way ahead of this. I follow him closely and he has covered immigration being out of control for years. He just doesn't talk to mainstream media due to their obvious bias towards Liberals, who butter's their bread with huge subsidies (CTV's recent spin on his words in parliament and retraction/apology, Pierre's vow to defend CBC etc).

There is a balance for immigration. Zero (Bernier's wet dream) Is bad, but open borders (Trudeau's reality) is bad too.

 

[Deleted member 267581]

All the World Economic Forum countries are trying to temporarily cool their collective agenda because the natives are reaching boiling point.

They’ll ramp it back up again in a few months and ensure civilised lands are infested with cavemen.

Did your family immigrate to Canada?

 

[Croo67]

Did your family immigrate to Canada?

No and the point about civilised people emigrating to Canada centuries ago is completely incomparable to what is happening today.

 

[SammyPops]

Okay, immigration was only part of the story, the part in which Maxime Bernier was called a racist under Operation Cactus when he was running against Scheer.

From: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/project-cactus-kinsella-daisy-ppc-bernier-1.5372715

Spoiler

Audio recordings shared with CBC News reveal political strategist Warren Kinsella told employees working on a campaign against the People's Party of Canada that leader Maxime Bernier was a "racist" and a "white supremacist" who would be "easy" to expose in the lead-up to the federal election campaign.
...
In that same May 16 recording, Kinsella is heard telling staff that "Hamish and Walsh" will start to ask what Daisy Group is delivering on Project Cactus if they don't start "spilling some blood." Kinsella again refers to both "Hamish and Walsh" in a separate meeting discussing Project Cactus on May 30.
...
Hamish Marshall was the Conservatives' 2019 federal election campaign manager, while John Walsh is the former president of the Conservative Party and was a co-chair of the election campaign.

Do Hamish and Walsh owe Maxime Bernier an apology?

As for the other part of the story, this part: "He hamstrung our oil and gas sector which hammered our dollar" What was O'Toole's position on the carbon tax?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carbon-tax-conservatives-1.5988407

Name a platform where the Conservative Party of Canada got it right and Maxime Bernier didn't.

The Harper govt got it right, and the Pierre govt will get it right on the economic issues.

Interesting about O'toole, though I'd bet he would have done a 180.


and I really did not follwo Max too much but yes Canadians love to virtue signal.

 

[Deleted member 267581]

No and the point about civilised people emigrating to Canada centuries ago is completely incomparable to what is happening today.

I just find it laughable when descendants of immigrants in the last 100 years complain about immigrants coming in today.

lol the same shit was said when their grand parents came in . Literally the exact same thing.