Law The Trump administration is officially moving to overturn a law that requires clergy to report child sexual abuse, saying it violates priests' constit

[sickc0d3r]

Apologies for not reading up. So, it is confined to the confession booth? Is this expressed in the law, or inferred?

It is confined to confessions. WA wants to make it law. Trump’s admin is trying to block it.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Didn't the Supreme Court ruled that police has no duty to protect? so at best these other professions leads to either getting fired or losing your license.

But since priests are not employed by government or you don't need a license to practice a religion, they decided to go with criminal prosecution?

Its got to be the most stupid law i have read in a while.

- I remebr that specific case. If i am right, it's that foir some reason wasnt the cops duty at that time. Not that cops dont have a obligation of protecting people on other cases.

 

[Crazy Source]

It is confined to confessions. WA wants to make it law. Trump’s admin is trying to block it.

This is about money and Trump taking care of his religious base. Sad.

 

[sickc0d3r]

This is about money and Trump taking care of his religious base. Sad.

Maybe. I think Catholics sued the state of Washington when they made this a law, and I am sure they have some kind of lobby that got the feds involved. Catholics protecting child abusers is nothing new, of course, as you already noted. Their own ranks are full of them.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

brian tyler cohen lol, that guy is the biggest anti trump conman on the internet. might as well get your news from tabloids at this point

 

[fedoriswar37]

Running interference when a subject like this is being talked about is pretty awful, brother. Take a walk.

Brother. You barge into little every single thread to drop some liberal fan fiction shrieking. You aren't the arbitrator of who stays and goes.

 

[Crazy Source]

Brother. You barge into little every single thread to drop some liberal fan fiction shrieking. You aren't the arbitrator of who stays and goes.

I assumed calling out people that are running interference for people covering up sexual abuse would be widely applauded. I was wrong.

Makes me wonder where your head is.....brother.

 

[oldshadow]

I understand the churches concern on this.

The requirements should require them to report if there is a crime that is going on or will go on. So say if someone tells them they are abusing a child now. Then that should have to be reported. However anything said to them can not be used in court.

 

[fedoriswar37]

I assumed calling out people that are running interference for people covering up sexual abuse would be widely applauded. I was wrong.

Makes me wonder where your head is.....brother.

From a normal poster, yes. It would be. But from you who runs nonsense interference in every single thread, no. It falls on deaf ears.

 

[Crazy Source]

From a normal poster, yes. It would be. But from you who runs nonsense interference in every single thread, no. It falls on deaf ears.

 

[nostradumbass]

The priest should be culpable if that person harmed a kid and might do it again. Who cares what they believe about heaven and hell? The priest had an opportunity to stop a criminal child abuser and decided their professional occupation was more important. That’s fucked up. That you think it isn’t fucked up is also fucked up. At least you’re winning internet arguments in your mind, though, bro.

I'll ask for a 5th time and you won't answer this time either; should lawyers be prosecuted if they know their client is guilty and still defend them, or are you fucked up and think it's just great when a lawyer could have stopped a criminal child abuser and decided their career was more important?

I don't even think in your mind you're winning internet arguments, "bro", you're just flailing off your back foot trying to save face at this point.

It might not be that easy. Maybe that priest talks to others in the church about it. Maybe the eventually gets caught and it comes out in court he confessed in church about it.

That's not what this is about though, right? This is about members of the church protecting other members. This is about the church being able to sweep crimes under the rug. I am wrong here? I haven't read the whole thread.

Yes, you are wrong here in multiple ways. The law doesn't have anything to do with church members, they aren't mandatory reporters in the first place, the priest is already excommunicated if he shares confessions with other people in church, and even in this law the priest is not required to testify in court.

 

[Crazy Source]

@fedoriswar37 You get run out of every WR thread when it gets heavy. I have never seen you reason an argument out. What are we really talking about here? SD hierarchy? Are you really that pathetic? You feel threatened by my views so you attack me? That is a sure sign that you have no argument against my view.

Have a conversation on a subject with me instead of running interference for a person running interference for people that are covering for people covering up sexual abuse.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Don't know what's true here. I know dem will hyper exaggerate anything Trump an no limits to which they will go . So dont know what to believe.

However if Trump really did side with Priests no legally needing g to report child molestation ? FUCK THAT SHIT! THAT SAID .. any times the left yells fire on Trump barely ends up to be sparkler if that.

I will say if a Clergy member- Priest, brother , whatever confesses to molesting children its tbe churches obligation to report or whoever was in charge and didn't report should get same punishment as molester. This shouldn't even be a question an dont know how it is.

Read the article and decide for yourself. It is pretty straightforward. Priests believe that they should not be obligated to report toddlers being beaten, tortured, and raped if somebody tells them they are doing these things. The state of Washington (and most sane posters here from all sides) agree.

The Trump administration has thrown in with and is supporting the Catholic Church in their stance that priests being mandatory reporters goes against their freedom of religion

 

[nostradumbass]

Hey buddy... they should have to report all serious crimes. No one gives a fuck about their "right" to protect criminals. The fact that having to report all crimes would lead to less child abuse sexual or non is just a bonus.

Hey buddy, the constitution gives a fuck, which is why the judge already issued an injunction and the guy who's supposed to defend the law said it's unconstitutional and indefensible.

At least pretend to be consistent and remove attorney client privilege too and declare no right to privacy anywhere and we're all good. Don't throw in exemptions all over hell for secular professions covering up child abuse while ONLY removing privileged communication for religious leaders.

 

[Crazy Source]

Looking forward to this battle @AZ103 vs. @nostradumbass

It's nice to see posters that lean the same way fight.

Beats the hell out of the sports that the media is throwing at me. Get at it, fellas.

 

[AZ103]

Hey buddy, the constitution gives a fuck, which is why the judge already issued an injunction and the guy who's supposed to defend the law said it's unconstitutional and indefensible.

At least pretend to be consistent and remove attorney client privilege too and declare no right to privacy anywhere and we're all good. Don't throw in exemptions all over hell for secular professions covering up child abuse while ONLY removing privileged communication for religious leaders.

Youre making my argument for me. Your argument here would only work if this requirment to report did not exist for every proffesion, but it does with the only exception being attorney client privlege.

Now both you and I know why AC privlege exists and that it is pertinent to a fair trial. You can keep screeching "religious freedom religious freedom" but we dont allow total religious freedom in this country and you know that as well. So besides letting your parishoners get away with heinous crimes what is the benefit of allowing this particular religious freedom to society as a whole?

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

And another empty post from you trying to save face after get slapped around. "Stop making fun of bluesky".

The article doesn't pretend it's a philia law, the Brian Tyler Cohen bluesky post does, which you fell for, but always fun to see you taking yet another L.

You're delusional mate , you have nothing as usual, I posted facts

 

[nostradumbass]

Looking forward to this battle @AZ103 vs. @nostradumbass

It's nice to see posters that lean the same way fight.

Beats the hell out of the sports that the media is throwing at me. Get at it, fellas.

There is no battle. Nobody arguing the emotional side even know what the law is, least of all YOU who just got nearly every aspect of it wrong like 3 posts ago. You all just read a tweet and made up the rest yourselves.

I told you what the law is, what in the bill of rights it contradicts and why the judge to whom it was assigned already said it's a slam dunk case and issued an injunction. Your options are to go back to drawing board and remove privileged communication for all the secular professions too, or include confession as privileged communication, or to amend the constitution so you can discriminate against religions and treat them as less than the secular ones. Those are your choices whether you like it or not.

 

[AZ103]

There is no battle. Nobody arguing the emotional side even know what the law is, least of all YOU who just got nearly every aspect of it wrong like 3 posts ago. You all just read a tweet and made up the rest yourselves.

I told you what the law is, what in the bill of rights it contradicts and why the judge to whom it was assigned already said it's a slam dunk case and issued an injunction. Your options are to go back to drawing board and remove privileged communication for all the secular professions too, or include confession as privileged communication, or to amend the constitution so you can discriminate against religions and treat them as less than the secular ones. Those are your choices whether you like it or not.

Name another secular proffesion that has privledged communication in this manner other than attorneys.

answer this as well. Do we allow total religious freedom in this country? Ill give you a hint... polygamy.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Looking forward to this battle @AZ103 vs. @nostradumbass

It's nice to see posters that lean the same way fight.

Beats the hell out of the sports that the media is throwing at me. Get at it, fellas.

Yeah, I’m not bothering with him anymore. A known trump guy versus a known anti-trump guy arguing about pretty much anything is just white noise around here. And @AZ103 is doing a great job.

Side note, I’ve been pleasantly surprised by a lot of the Trump supporters, and the sort of kind of Trump supporters, not bending to his bullshit on this whole pdf file debacle. Makes me want to listen more to their arguments on other subjects since I don’t have to assume they’re just saying anything to please daddy Trump like Nostra and his ilk.