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Holy shit! Episode 3 of Picard was amazing. So much to unpack from it.

Gaddamn the Dominion war is back baby! Changelings are back. I can't wait to see what they can do with them, with modern special effects
 
Paramount just announced that Discovery season 5 will premiere in Jan 2024 and it will be its last season.
 
The good:

Episode 3 of Picard was solid entertainment wise but they dropped the ball hard on a key plot point. My many nitpicks remain but overall I enjoyed it. Riker is the most solid of the OG crew, Worf seems like Worf but maybe a tad stiff in his performance. It's nice that he's DS9 Worf and is a proper badass.

The bad:
The people writing it aren't the best, they engage in lazy writing when it's convenient for the plot and/or just overlook things. For example, as soon as a saboteur/changeling was discovered they would've alerted security and locked the ship down (which actually would've been some good old school Trek drama/action), they also would've anticipated the changeling communicating with the other ship. This isn't a minor error, it's an egregious oversight or liberty taken, this is basic stuff not to mention common sense. That alone almost marred and kind of ruined the episode for me, there is no fucking way the crew would overlook that, that's as bad as the Enterprise D not changing shield configuration in Star Trek Generations after the klingons shoot through it's shields. It's completely unbelievable. Riker and Picard would've anticipated the whole way that went down as soon as they knew there was sabotage. I can buy that no one thinks they're being tracked due to a saboteur at first, but once they knew there was one the gameplan would change immediately. Riker getting pissed at Picard and disregarding him was already meh to me but once they knew there was a saboteur it especially felt like manufactured drama between characters. Homey don't play that.
 
I watched the 1st episode of Picard, Season 3. These are my thoughts.

The filmmakers use warm and cold filters to mute the colors, which yields a dull visual experience, as opposed to vibrant and exciting. On top of the filters, each and EVERY scene is dim. The ship's exterior is boxy and the interior is, to put mildly, uncomfortable.

The script is basic.
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The character that appears to be involved with drugs does nothing for the show. Picard, Riker, Crusher and 7 of 9 are all excellent. Ensign La Forge is one of the more interesting characters, who has a grand total of 15 seconds onscreen. I liked the flute and the Romulan lady at the beginning of the episode, but Picard would just go to Crusher if she needed help. There would be no debate. Why? Because he's Captain Jean Luc Picard of the Starship Enterprise. That's why. You better get it right. And it must be said, Picard and Riker would have way more gravitas than they are shown here (conspiracy or not) by some random noname Captain.

My impression is that if you don't like Star Trek, your favorite music genre is 1990's grunge, and your drugs of choice happen to be downers, you may love Picard. Picard is more like an underdeveloped version of Blade Runner masquerading as Star Trek. Watching this episode of Picard felt like listening to Alice In Chains on loop for 60 minutes. I would rather watch Spock's Brain all day for a week then to re-watch Picard Episode 1, Season 3.

I'm looking forward to the second episode.
My two cents...
You are 100% right about the colors they use. The first two terrible seasons of Picard kind of already established that Picard has fallen from grace (and that is kind of in line with what was established in the TNG finale "All Good Things"). It's also believable why this Captain would have been suspicious of their motives (Picard got the station wrong, which raised his antennas). This season isn't perfect, but it has some redeeming qualities.
 
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So all those YouTubers that spent the last four years shitting on nuTrek that said season 3 is great… I’m wondering if they’re only saying that because in their words season 3 “isn’t woke”. All these guys like Critical Drinker, Dave Cullen, Nerdrotic etc seem to care about is the culture wars bullshit.

While I would say this seems better than season 1 or 2 it’s still not at all what I’d call anywhere near as good as TNG, DS9 or the first six movies. The writing fucking sucks. I knew not to believe the hype.
 
So all those YouTubers that spent the last four years shitting on nuTrek that said season 3 is great… I’m wondering if they’re only saying that because in their words season 3 “isn’t woke”. All these guys like Critical Drinker, Dave Cullen, Nerdrotic etc seem to care about is the culture wars bullshit.

While I would say this seems better than season 1 or 2 it’s still not at all what I’d call anywhere near as good as TNG, DS9 or the first six movies. The writing fucking sucks. I knew not to believe the hype.
The writing is not horrible. I certainly wouldn't say that this season is anywhere near better than the whole of TNG, but I have seen single episodes of TNG that have worse writing and much lower overall production value than season 3 so far. You cannot say the same?
 
The writing is not horrible. I certainly wouldn't say that this season is anywhere near better than the whole of TNG, but I have seen single episodes of TNG that have worse writing and much lower overall production value than season 3 so far. You cannot say the same?

I never said the production value was lower, because nuTrek clearly has superior production value to anything from TOS to Enterprise.

But I won’t concede that the writing doesn’t suck, because it does:

-absolutely no one talks like anyone did prior to the JJ Abrams movies. Now everyone just talks like people do in the present like “Cool!” and “I think I feel my camomile tea coming back up” :rolleyes:

-more BadRobot “mystery box” bullshit

-Riker and Picard have been friends for 35 years and yet they’re devolving into petty bickering in front of the crew?

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the Captain that hated their guts just throws them the keys to the ship the second he’s injured instead of going down the ship’s ordinary chain of command?

-Beverly says it would be too dangerous for Picard’s child to ever know him, yet takes him on all these dangerous outings to live a life as galactic “Doctors without Borders” bullshit?

-Riker’s a coward now because his son died of cancer or whatever?

-Worf’s taken Raffi as his protege because… reasons?

-Riker accuses Picard of killing them all because the Shrike effectively used magic to attack them with their own torpedoes?

-dumb, meaningless member-berries “Worf’s doing tai chi to the opera music Picard was listening to at the beginning of First Contact!”

I’m in this thing to the bitter end, but this is not as some people described it season 8 of TNG. Watching Riker and Crusher fight with Picard all I can think is that I don’t recognize these characters at all.
 
I never said the production value was lower, because nuTrek clearly has superior production value to anything from TOS to Enterprise.

But I won’t concede that the writing doesn’t suck, because it does:
You evaded my question. I asked you if TNG's writing at times sucked worse than Picard season 3 thus far (sometimes much worse). It isn't so terrible that I am going to ditch it at this point.
-absolutely no one talks like anyone did prior to the JJ Abrams movies. Now everyone just talks like people do in the present like “Cool!” and “I think I feel my camomile tea coming back up” :rolleyes:

-more BadRobot “mystery box” bullshit

-Riker and Picard have been friends for 35 years and yet they’re devolving into petty bickering in front of the crew?

-
the Captain that hated their guts just throws them the keys to the ship the second he’s injured instead of going down the ship’s ordinary chain of command?

-Beverly says it would be too dangerous for Picard’s child to ever know him, yet takes him on all these dangerous outings to live a life as galactic “Doctors without Borders” bullshit?

-Riker’s a coward now because his son died of cancer or whatever?

-Worf’s taken Raffi as his protege because… reasons?

-Riker accuses Picard of killing them all because the Shrike effectively used magic to attack them with their own torpedoes?

-dumb, meaningless member-berries “Worf’s doing tai chi to the opera music Picard was listening to at the beginning of First Contact!”

I’m in this thing to the bitter end, but this is not as some people described it season 8 of TNG. Watching Riker and Crusher fight with Picard all I can think is that I don’t recognize these characters at all.
Putting replies in a spoiler:
  1. Sometimes the dialogue leaves more to be desired, but it's not all bad. The heated exchange between Picard and Crusher, for example, was well-delivered.
  2. I don't see the parallels to Bad Robot. I don't know what you are complaining about here.
  3. Picard and Riker are grumpy old men now, and we saw plenty of that bickering in the TNG finale "All Good Things." It is consistent.
  4. Made total sense. The captain was badly injured and no better option. Completely believable.
  5. The "dangerous" situation with Crusher and son probably developed over time during his adult years. The sentiment she was referencing was why she did not tell Picard about him during the kid's childhood. She was obviously preoccupied in her work during his adult years.
  6. See # 3.
  7. I think we found that out. He was working a case for Starfleet intelligence. She got mixed up in it, knew things, and was going to pursue independently anyway.
  8. I agree that Riker's anger was misplaced in that scene. I think the episode of TNG where Denise Crosby's character had to fight to the death with a mace because a local civilization's traditions said so was worse than that scene though.
  9. I don't see why this is such a problem for you. Who cares what music he was listening to?
 
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You evaded my question. I asked you if TNG's writing at times sucked worse than Picard season 3 thus far (sometimes much worse). It isn't so terrible that I am going to ditch it at this point.

Putting replies in a spoiler:
  1. Sometimes the dialogue leaves more to be desired, but it's not all bad. The heated exchange between Picard and Crusher, for example, was well-delivered.
  2. I don't see the parallels to Bad Robot. I don't know what you are complaining about here.
  3. Picard and Riker are grumpy old men now, and we saw plenty of that bickering in the TNG finale "All Good Things." It is consistent.
  4. Made total sense. The captain was badly injured and no better option. Completely believable.
  5. The "dangerous" situation with Crusher and son probably developed over time during his adult years. The sentiment she was referencing was why she did not tell Picard about him during the kid's childhood. She was obviously preoccupied in her work during his adult years.
  6. See #1.
  7. I think we found that out. He was working a case for Starfleet intelligence. She got mixed up in it, knew things, and was going to pursue independently anyway.
  8. I agree that Riker's anger was misplaced in that scene. I think the episode of TNG where Denise Crosby's character had to fight to the death with a mace because local civilization's traditions said so was worse than that scene though.
  9. I don't see why this is such a problem for you. Who cares what music he was listening to?

I’m not going to ditch it either. If you like it, good for you, I don’t.
 
I never said the production value was lower, because nuTrek clearly has superior production value to anything from TOS to Enterprise.

But I won’t concede that the writing doesn’t suck, because it does:

-absolutely no one talks like anyone did prior to the JJ Abrams movies. Now everyone just talks like people do in the present like “Cool!” and “I think I feel my camomile tea coming back up” :rolleyes:

-more BadRobot “mystery box” bullshit

-Riker and Picard have been friends for 35 years and yet they’re devolving into petty bickering in front of the crew?

-
the Captain that hated their guts just throws them the keys to the ship the second he’s injured instead of going down the ship’s ordinary chain of command?

-Beverly says it would be too dangerous for Picard’s child to ever know him, yet takes him on all these dangerous outings to live a life as galactic “Doctors without Borders” bullshit?

-Riker’s a coward now because his son died of cancer or whatever?

-Worf’s taken Raffi as his protege because… reasons?

-Riker accuses Picard of killing them all because the Shrike effectively used magic to attack them with their own torpedoes?

-dumb, meaningless member-berries “Worf’s doing tai chi to the opera music Picard was listening to at the beginning of First Contact!”

I’m in this thing to the bitter end, but this is not as some people described it season 8 of TNG. Watching Riker and Crusher fight with Picard all I can think is that I don’t recognize these characters at all.
It's very rigid. The story and dialogue for the most part. This season of Picard has maybe graduated to bad TNG movie status. The dialogue - and especially the way people talk - constantly takes me out of it. As I said before, things are the way they are in Star Trek (or were) to separate it from other sci-fi, so it feels different. These show runners and writers don't understand that.

This season is just decent enough, just Star Trek enough to keep me engaged.

Riker getting pissed at Picard didn't make sense to me and Picard not thinking things through didn't either. It's just shallow drama because the writers aren't skilled enough to make a sufficient plot/story to handle that load on its own.
 
I never said the production value was lower, because nuTrek clearly has superior production value to anything from TOS to Enterprise.

But I won’t concede that the writing doesn’t suck, because it does:

-absolutely no one talks like anyone did prior to the JJ Abrams movies. Now everyone just talks like people do in the present like “Cool!” and “I think I feel my camomile tea coming back up” :rolleyes:

-more BadRobot “mystery box” bullshit

-Riker and Picard have been friends for 35 years and yet they’re devolving into petty bickering in front of the crew?

-
the Captain that hated their guts just throws them the keys to the ship the second he’s injured instead of going down the ship’s ordinary chain of command?

-Beverly says it would be too dangerous for Picard’s child to ever know him, yet takes him on all these dangerous outings to live a life as galactic “Doctors without Borders” bullshit?

-Riker’s a coward now because his son died of cancer or whatever?

-Worf’s taken Raffi as his protege because… reasons?

-Riker accuses Picard of killing them all because the Shrike effectively used magic to attack them with their own torpedoes?

-dumb, meaningless member-berries “Worf’s doing tai chi to the opera music Picard was listening to at the beginning of First Contact!”

I’m in this thing to the bitter end, but this is not as some people described it season 8 of TNG. Watching Riker and Crusher fight with Picard all I can think is that I don’t recognize these characters at all.

I wouldn't say the writing is worse than Berman era star trek, and Keep in mind the head writer and showrunner is from the Berman era. They have also said in interviews that a major plot point in this season is the drama between Picard and Riker. They have said him and Troi are having issues, and she has basically asked him to leave the home for the time being. I think it's also a callback to All good things, and how Rikers relationship with Picard had changed over the years. That said the ending with Riker saying you killed us all was a little much.
 
Here's my Prediction for the end of the series

A new series will be announced featuring 7 of 9 as captain of the all-New Enterprise 1701-G. Her crew will feature Jack Crusher, who has been given some sort of special commission, the Le Forge girls, and Kestra Riker.
 
My prediction about an upcoming plot point for season 3 of Picard:

Whatever the thing that the bad guys were “really after” from the Daystrum Institute is going to be Lore’s parts to reassemble him. As to the why? Who the fuck knows
 
Riker getting pissed at Picard didn't make sense to me and Picard not thinking things through didn't either. It's just shallow drama because the writers aren't skilled enough to make a sufficient plot/story to handle that load on its own.
^ This is how I felt about Star Trek First Contact and people love that film for some reason.
 
Here's my Prediction for the end of the series

A new series will be announced featuring 7 of 9 as captain of the all-New Enterprise 1701-G. Her crew will feature Jack Crusher, who has been given some sort of special commission, the Le Forge girls, and Kestra Riker.
There should be only one person given the Enterprise, and that is Admiral Riker.
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