Television The Star Trek Thread V6.0

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

What’s with the Vulcan wearing sunglasses?

Vulcans are supposed to be extra tolerant to sunlight, as they’ve evolved an inner eye lid.

God this show is fucking terrible.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Don't hold your breath

They will never attempt to fix this. And if they do restore the federation I won't even care anymore.

They have to literally undo all of this and make something that actually is in line the the originals for me to ever care again

I think the only hope is at some point viewing reaction is so negative that everything post Abrams is declared non canon.

Really the politics isn't anything that new either, its just handled in such a childish clumsy fashion. TNG and DS9 had the Federaion acting in a questionable fashion, the attempted Starfleet coup in DS9 and section 37 especially were I think ways of handling these issues in a more adult fashion in keeping with the setting. I could see the Romulan plot working in that fashion as well, a lack of help from the federation based on previous distrust without the entire thing suddenly shifting to Tea Party level racism overnight.

Trek now is just a playground for an assortment of hacks running from failed Hollywood careers to spin their "edgy" action drama formula to ever diminishing returns. I'm guessing you've a situation were these people are so dominant in the franchise there looking out for each other and ignoring that fans have turned against their style from Into Darkness onwards.

 

[sverre054]

What’s with the Vulcan wearing sunglasses?

Vulcans are supposed to be extra tolerant to sunlight, as they’ve evolved an inner eye lid.

God this show is fucking terrible.

Maybe Romulan? The Sunglasses are there to question them.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Why was Hugh holding Space Legolas’ face when he died as though they were lovers?

The fuck is with this show...

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Best part is, it's his father beating him up. They gave the costume department the credit card, and let them go wild at Sports Authority for these costumes.

I took a screen grab.

I sent it to my ST buddy and he thought it was from a hockey game.
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[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I think the only hope is at some point viewing reaction is so negative that everything post Abrams is declared non canon.

And that will never happen.
This isn't being made for fans of TNG.

"It's just people you know, in places you know, so the people can shoot at each other in those places".

You mention the Federation acting in a questionable fashion, which is my biggest gripe.

They already did something, immediately, that can't be redeemed.
There's no moral recovery from allowing millions to die. It happened.
That's what became of our idyllic future. In forty years we went from enlightened and diplomatic good citizens, to hate filled racists.

Just like that.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

And that will never happen.
This isn't being made for fans of TNG.

"It's just people you know, in places you know, so the people can shoot at each other in those places".

You mention the Federation acting in a questionable fashion, which is my biggest gripe.

They already did something, immediately, that can't be redeemed.
There's no moral recovery from allowing millions to die. It happened.
That's what became of our idyllic future. In forty years we went from enlightened and diplomatic good citizens, to hate filled racists.

Just like that.

Pretty much, again I think Trek has just become this haven for failed Hollywood hacks who have come to dominate the production and writing, probably all know each other and are working together to make sure they have jobs. Its essential "Star Trek: The Cocaine Years" and someone much higher up needs the balls to clean house, Kutzman especially needs to be kicked to the curb.

TNG/DS9 I'd say struck a very nice balance were the Federation/Starfleet could sometimes act in a self interested fashion or have rogue elements within it that provided a moral test for the characters without being overtly evil. This also ment the moral challenges were rather more subtle and adult rather than the obviously wrong knee jerk racism we see here.

You could have had events shown along those lines, maybe Starfleets response to the Romulan crisis was too slow due to mistrust rather than outright washing their hands of it?

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Pretty much, again I think Trek has just become this haven for failed Hollywood hacks who have come to dominate the production and writing, probably all know each other and are working together to make sure they have jobs. Its essential "Star Trek: The Cocaine Years" and someone much higher up needs the balls to clean house, Kutzman especially needs to be kicked to the curb.

TNG/DS9 I'd say struck a very nice balance were the Federation/Starfleet could sometimes act in a self interested fashion or have rogue elements within it that provided a moral test for the characters without being overtly evil. This also ment the moral challenges were rather more subtle and adult rather than the obviously wrong knee jerk racism we see here.

You could have had events shown along those lines, maybe Starfleets response to the Romulan crisis was too slow due to mistrust rather than outright washing their hands of it?

They wanted to have the dramatic challenges that current events give lazy screenwriters.
But it's not believable that the Federation's ideals would get shitcanned so completely during Picard's retirement years.



... so they said fuck it and did it anyways...

 

[Deleted member 110072]

They wanted to have the dramatic challenges that current events give lazy screenwriters.
But it's not believable that the Federation's ideals would get shitcanned so completely during Picard's retirement years.

... so they said fuck it and did it anyways...

Again you could have that within the style of TNG, the Federation was far from perfect but its imperfections were rather more subtle than the boned political grand standing here.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Again you could have that within the style of TNG, the Federation was far from perfect but its imperfections were rather more subtle than the boned political grand standing here.

It's sad that it wasn't the Klingon Empire or the Cardies or some other enemy that destroyed the Federation, it was the dynamic duo of Patrick Kurtzman and Alex Stewart.

 

[Not A Theist]

Hey, does anyone know how Rotten Tomatoes is calculating their audience score? It says "Percentage of viewers who rate this show 3.5 stars or higher" but looking through a number of pages in the reviews, I'm seeing that by far the most common scores are either a half star or one star, not 64% of people rating it 70% or higher. Maybe over the 1721 reviews it ends up being that higher number, but a quick ten page glance makes me wonder if there isn't a hidden addition to how they calculated that 64%.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Cabon on people complaining about the downfall of the Federation in Picard

Wow, Michael Chabon can go eat a dick. “Starfleet didn’t acquit itself well - in Picard’s eyes”

No dipshit, in the eyes of anyone with a conscience.

“From Admiral Clancy’s viewpoint, which is likely the mainstream view, Picard’s attitude was unrealistic, quixotic, and even dangerous. She may be right!”

No, she’s wrong.

There’s no moral greyness about leaving billions who have asked for your help to die. Jesus fucking Christ.

What a complete cum stain.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Wow, Michael Chabon can go eat a dick. “Starfleet didn’t acquit itself well - in Picard’s eyes”

No dipshit, in the eyes of anyone with a conscience.

“From Admiral Clancy’s viewpoint, which is likely the mainstream view, Picard’s attitude was unrealistic, quixotic, and even dangerous. She may be right!”

No, she’s wrong.

There’s no moral greyness about leaving billions who have asked for your help to die. Jesus fucking Christ.

What a complete cum stain.

It's not Star Trek.

It's the opposite of Star Trek.

Actually, one thing, one very tired thing could save it. Everything but Stewart is Mirror Mirror universe.

I can't call the character Picard.

 

[aerius]

It's not Star Trek.

It's the opposite of Star Trek.

Actually, one thing, one very tired thing could save it. Everything but Stewart is Mirror Mirror universe.

I can't call the character Picard.

Remember that episode of TNG where Picard had a near death experience and Q was showing him all the different timelines including the one where he didn't get into a fight with a Nausicaan and take a dagger through the heart?

ST: Picard is in the timeline where Jean-Luc was a pussified young cadet who wussed out and didn't fight the Nausicaan. That's why he's complete doormat and lets everyone shit on him.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Remember that episode of TNG where Picard had a near death experience and Q was showing him all the different timelines including the one where he didn't get into a fight with a Nausicaan and take a dagger through the heart?

ST: Picard is in the timeline where Jean-Luc was a pussified young cadet who wussed out and didn't fight the Nausicaan. That's why he's complete doormat and lets everyone shit on him.

And that little bitch who made moves on young "JL" only to be a woman the next morning because she changed her mind after the fact.

That section of the ep was pretty contrived.

And that one ep of TNG is better and more enjoyable than all the Picard eps combined.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

"Just because they smile and eat chicken doesn't mean they have mastered their emotions."

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

ENT "Impulse"

The mind meld rape scene set to three layered tracks of dissonant saxophones is somewhere between well executed and unintentionally hilarious.

 

[sverre054]

Wow, Michael Chabon can go eat a dick. “Starfleet didn’t acquit itself well - in Picard’s eyes”

No dipshit, in the eyes of anyone with a conscience.

“From Admiral Clancy’s viewpoint, which is likely the mainstream view, Picard’s attitude was unrealistic, quixotic, and even dangerous. She may be right!”

No, she’s wrong.

There’s no moral greyness about leaving billions who have asked for your help to die. Jesus fucking Christ.

What a complete cum stain.

But the Romulans didn't really ask for help. They only begrudgingly took up the offer of help, and then impeded the Federation every step of the way. All while parts of the democracy of the Federation, were complaining that we wrre diverting all resources to help an enemy. The federation literally committed to stopping all other planned activities, for as long as the evacuation took. All while the Romulans knew the plab would fail, and the obviously were behind the hacking of the synthetics, to take out Mars.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

But the Romulans didn't really ask for help. They only begrudgingly took up the offer of help, and then impeded the Federation every step of the way. All while parts of the democracy of the Federation, were complaining that we wrre diverting all resources to help an enemy. The federation literally committed to stopping all other planned activities, for as long as the evacuation took. All while the Romulans knew the plab would fail, and the obviously were behind the hacking of the synthetics, to take out Mars.

Shut up Michael.

 

[sverre054]

Shut up Michael.

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