Television The Star Trek Thread V6.0

[I'm Shawn Spencer]

Just a couple and then highlights from the ones since when I heard how bad it got.

Ha, same. I watched episodes 1 & 2. After the first I held out hope, then I saw the second and tapped out. I just watch RLM reviews of it meow

I did the same exact thing. Watched the first 2 episodes then just reviews and clips of the newer ones.


I was excited when I saw the pilot episode, I thought it was surprisingly good. Then I watched the 2nd episode and it did nothing for me. And all the clips and things I've heard about the show.....I don't even care to watch any more of it. It's not Jean Luc Picard, it's not Star Trek....it's just more 2020 shit. I don't understand what happened to writers in the last few years. Are there no more talented writers out there these days? Are the talented guys just not getting hired? I don't know what's going on in Hollywood but it's really strange. I could write a show about Picard and I literally would bet money it would be 10x better than the crap they've cobbled together for this show. It pisses me off. It's also made me realize I don't like Patrick Stewart as a person at all. Apparently he is the main reason why this show is "dark" and all the real world political crap is in it. Fuck off Patrick Stewart!




I timestamped a little clip from TNG. The writing on that show was elegant, meaningful and thought provoking. Watch THIS clip and compare it to literally any scene in that dumpster fire of a show that has the nerve to call itself "Picard."

 

[jefferz]

Seriously, there is no thread about this doggy doo?

All the threads started on it have been moved the the Star Trek mega thread.

 

[GtehMVP]

Yeah, it was another betrayal of the character to portray him as an overzealous, incapable actor. I'm sure it was fun, and designed for comedic effect, but there were zero laughs, and it retcons his history as a man with the capacity for the nuance of deceit.

The show is so fucking bad. The Orville remains Star Trek and Roddenberry's true heir.

It started off pretty good, the first episode at least. It didn't feel like Star Trek, but I was surprised how much i enjoyed it considering Alex Kurtzman was behind it. My expectations were extremely low, but I was ready to give it a chance.

As soon as this insufferable reject was introduced though ("JL" lmao)

and the show became about women yelling at white privileged old man Picard, I checked out.

I put a lot of blame of Patrick Stewart. He's basically playing himself in this, not Cpt Picard, it's so wrong. This is why you don't let actors run the ship, especially cooky far lefties. He must have a masochist side. He's allowed his character untold amounts of humiliation.

The rest of the blame goes to CBS and the morons at Secret Hideout. It's clear that no one involved in this has any knowledge, or respect, for Star Trek. It really pisses me off

The whole premise of Starfleet abandoning the Romulans, who should be able to fend for themselves, is preposterous, if not infantile. Romulans living like destitute Syrian refugees 15 years later is retarded. They can replicate anything, who's writing this shit lol

The AI macguffin thing, with the evil Romulan spy chick, feels like something out of the CW/Batwoman.

I actually enjoyed Discovery more than this, and that was awful, especially season 2. It was kind of fun watching Discovery be a train wreck, as it felt like a parody, detached from OG Trek. I haven't been able to enjoy much of anything in Picard, and it's upsetting, mainly because it feels like they officially ruined everything post TNG now, much like Disney ruined post OG Star Wars

On positives, I like the intro music, milfage Jeri Ryan, and the first episode. I like the guy playing the Captain too.

I don't begrudge anyone for liking this, but fuck this show, and everyone who played a part in making it. No wonder Netflix wanted out of STD, and passed on this garbage. Alex Kurtzman shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a studio, let alone one housing a beloved IP

 

[sverre054]

Fair, though I've given a lot of shows a chance after a rocky start. Picard, for me, went from decent with some questionable stuff in the first episode to straight off a cliff and many people who share my tastes have said it doesn't get any better. I've gotten enough info from listening to reviews that it doesn't sound like my cuppa tea, pardon the pun. 7/11 for example, even just seeing ads I can tell she's basically a different character. I could be wrong here but I'm old enough that I can usually tell when I'm gonna be able to enjoy something.

I'm trying not to post so much here because you and a couple other people like the show and I don't wanna keep being debbie downer, lol, it's just that it is The Star Trek thread.


I don't know the specifics of a super nova nor exactly how big the romulan empire was, just that it spans thousands of light years. Plus, I think it's the show's job to explain specifically how it affected the empire (which I didn't see before I tapped out). Then there's also the fact that ST is very science based and even present science says that you can see a supernova coming a long time before it happens. If they wanna say someone caused it to go supernova that's fine, I just haven't heard anything to suggest that's the case, and they'd need to hint at that very early to avoid breaking suspension of disbelief.

To be clear, I'm not some purist, there's bad and cheesy moments in all of Trek and things to nitpick, I just felt like I was being hit over the head trying to watch the show

I enjoy hearing your perspective and obviously we differ on how we feel about Picard. I just wish you and others would actually watch it before complaining. But please keep posting, its fun to talk Star Trek

We don't know yet, what actually caused the Romulan Super Nova, or why it was so huge, but I suspect we will learn the Romulan Government themselves caused the supernova, then evacuated only the most important and elite of its society, then with fringe elements of the Federation, caused the synth attack. In the tie in novel, its all but confirmed the Romulans caused it, but have been trying to hide it rather than alert their people. Ultimately the show will be about Picard exposing this, and exposing that rogue element within the Federation, that has divided it. We Shall see...

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Its not like Star Trek is a hard concept to pull off

They just don't care to try

Trek seems to have become a retirement home for hacks like Kutzman and Goldsman to carry on their "Edgy" formula of glib sass, as long as there around don't expect any attempt to actually be like Trek, more low rent riffs on their shitty blockbusters.

Its probably going to need some kind of invention higher up firing almost everyone involved with the current Trek to change anything.

 

[Clippy]

I don't understand how people bash a show, they are not even watching? The last episode was excellent. Same thing happened with discovery, they watched the first free episodes on CBS and based there opinions on that, without really giving the show a chance.

I gave the show THREE episodes of my time and was disgusted with it

If I hate the start of the show this bad I don't care how good it gets - I already hate the atmosphere and set up and changes to my beloved universe

I think I earned a right to my opinion

 

[Fanu]

It's been hinted that the Romulans themselves caused the super nova, and also inserted themselves into federation politics to cause division and strife. Just like today, a foreign power interfering with domestic politics. The Romulans have been pulling the strings, causing the Syntheticsto attack Mars. The Romulans evacuated the elite and powerful away from the Empire, and left those low in society to die, so they wouldn't be found out that they destroyed there own empire

romulans deliberately destroyed their home planet and empire, left their poor to die, just so they could infiltrate the federation?

romulans who are considered (after the borg) as the biggest threat to federation due to their cunning and advanced technology, think of the worst possible way to get at the federation by first weakening themselves?

thats absolutely retarded and I wouldnt be surprised if that ended up being the actual plot of picard
especially considering the extremely poor writing so far (too many plot holes to count em all) and convoluted/pointless character development

btw I've watched all 6 episodes so far - I miss TNG formula of each episode being its own thing
also I miss space travel - in picard its down to a minimum and all the aliens so far have been morons
especially romulan death squad that is able to teleport anywhere but then proceeds to use melee weapons/hand to hand combat instead of pulverizing everyone and finishing the job in 5sec flat.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

It's so pleasing to have the creators decide to shit can everything that's great about the Federation and Starfleet.

They couldn't have crafted a Star Trek further from Star Trek.

Brainstorming session, writer's room:
"How can we write a show that's deeply disappointing to a large segment of the audience who built the franchise?
Let's THINK, people!"

 

[Clippy]

It's so pleasing to have the creators decide to shit can everything that's great about the Federation and Starfleet.

They couldn't have crafted a Star Trek further from Star Trek.

Brainstorming session, writer's room:
"How can we write a show that's deeply disappointing to a large segment of the audience who built the franchise?
Let's THINK, people!"

They weren't thinking about us

They tried to cater to everyone else, turning a once unique beautiful thing into every other faceless, dreary pos

I guess the new generation is depressed and want their shows to feel like they do

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

They weren't thinking about us

They tried to cater to everyone else, turning a once unique beautiful thing into every other faceless, dreary pos

I guess the new generation is depressed and want their shows to feel like they do

It's far more to do with Patrick Stewart. He has the writers bring his personal politics to the screen.

You could turn on ST to get away from Trump and Brexit and what have you.

Not anymore.

Why would I want to see everything I see in real life? It's not science fiction, it's political fiction.

It's about as subtle as Starship Troopers, but takes itself completely seriously.

 

[Clippy]

It's far more to do with Patrick Stewart. He has the writers bring his personal politics to the screen.

You could turn on ST to get away from Trump and Brexit and what have you.

Not anymore.

Why would I want to see everything I see in real life? It's not science fiction, it's political fiction.

It's about as subtle as Starship Troopers, but takes itself completely seriously.

Escapism is no longer allowed we must feel guilty at all times

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Escapism is no longer allowed we must feel guilty at all times

Me personally, I enjoy being reminded about how unpleasant life is.

At the end of the day, I want mindless shooting and angsty dialogue that's hypercharged with social issues.

I mean, how could they write a thoughtful conclusion to Picard's character without drug use and hatred and revenge and torture?

The future was too idyllic. We want DEPRESSING!

 

[Philo-Publius]

They weren't thinking about us

They tried to cater to everyone else, turning a once unique beautiful thing into every other faceless, dreary pos

I guess the new generation is depressed and want their shows to feel like they do

It's definitely a reflection of the world today (and in more substantive ways than just "feeling"). The best potential outcome of this show is a restoration of the Federation as we once knew it.

 

[Philo-Publius]

WTF?

Spoiler

Romulans can do Vuclan mind melds now?

That is the kind of canon violation that will cause me to check out...

 

[sverre054]

WTF?

Spoiler

Romulans can do Vuclan mind melds now?

That is the kind of canon violation that will cause me to check out...

We don't know for a fact that she is Romulan. Also Romulans do have telepathic abilities, they just choose to repress them. Remans are actually Romulans with higher than normal telepathic abilities, that were forced of Romulus, and out into force labor.

 

[sverre054]

romulans deliberately destroyed their home planet and empire, left their poor to die, just so they could infiltrate the federation?

romulans who are considered (after the borg) as the biggest threat to federation due to their cunning and advanced technology, think of the worst possible way to get at the federation by first weakening themselves?

thats absolutely retarded and I wouldnt be surprised if that ended up being the actual plot of picard
especially considering the extremely poor writing so far (too many plot holes to count em all) and convoluted/pointless character development

btw I've watched all 6 episodes so far - I miss TNG formula of each episode being its own thing
also I miss space travel - in picard its down to a minimum and all the aliens so far have been morons
especially romulan death squad that is able to teleport anywhere but then proceeds to use melee weapons/hand to hand combat instead of pulverizing everyone and finishing the job in 5sec flat.

I don't think they deliberately tried to destroy their planet. A small group may have or found out they wrre doomed, and knew they wouldn't be able to save a billion people. Romulans are based on ancient Rome, and have a caste and hierarchy system. The elites think try are better and meant to lead and survive: that's why secrecy is Paramount in Romulan society. If the 99% found out what the 1% were really doing, they would revolt.

 

[Swing]

I'm going to finish the season out because I like it just enough, but this big reveal and how it relates to synthetic life better pay off.

So far we have an android who is coming to grips with not being human, but her reaction to that is very human. Consequently there has been very little reason for her to be an android at all.

I like the idea of approaching what it means to be human from the perspective of an already lifelike android. It's Data in reverse, but that has yet to be touched on in a novel way. So far I can't help but compare what the show has done to Blade Runber 2049, where a replicant actually starts off content with its lot in life only to be mindfucked at the prospect of being special. That film created a really interesting and relatable way for the audience to revisit the well worn scifi question of what it means to be a person.

Hopefully the season uses the time it has left to set itself apart with something interesting.

 

[sverre054]

I'm going to finish the season out because I like it just enough, but this big reveal and how it relates to synthetic life better pay off.

So far we have an android who is coming to grips with not being human, but her reaction to that is very human. Consequently there has been very little reason for her to be an android at all.

I like the idea of approaching what it means to be human from the perspective of an already lifelike android. It's Data in reverse, but that has yet to be touched on in a novel way. So far I can't help but compare what the show has done to Blade Runber 2049, where a replicant actually starts off content with its lot in life only to be mindfucked at the prospect of being special. That film created a really interesting and relatable way for the audience to revisit the well worn scifi question of what it means to be a person.

Hopefully the season uses the time it has left to set itself apart with something interesting.

I think we are going to find out that Maddox had to fuse the Soong matrix with Borg tech to create soji. We will also find the Romulans are in control of what remain of the Borg or that they are trying to create a army with it. Possible with Sela as the head of it. Tasha Yar strikes again.

I'm probably way off though... Could all be a dream of Spot the cat...

 

[Fanu]

I don't think they deliberately tried to destroy their planet. A small group may have or found out they wrre doomed, and knew they wouldn't be able to save a billion people. Romulans are based on ancient Rome, and have a caste and hierarchy system. The elites think try are better and meant to lead and survive: that's why secrecy is Paramount in Romulan society. If the 99% found out what the 1% were really doing, they would revolt.

so romulan empire operates on the same level as 21st century earth? 99% of idiots led by 1% of ultra wealthy?
ugh, that dumbs down the entire romulan race and I can hardly see them as a threat to the federation in light of this
that so many advanced star systems within the romulan empire are so easily manipulated by a small minority?

wouldnt that make the whole "romulan home planet blowing up" irrelevant then? elites could save themselves, move to another planet in romulan empire and write the history however they like?

or you think they wanted to use their home planet blowing up as an excuse to infiltrate their old nemesis, the federation? but couldnt they have done that regardless, just by initiating the synth attack on mars?

this whole thing is a clusterfuck and one that could have been avoided if star trek movie plots were ignored and instead we went with what was going on in star trek series
movie plots in general suck and just condense or outright dumb down events from the series to better fit 2h action movie format

 

[Clippy]

It's definitely a reflection of the world today (and in more substantive ways than just "feeling"). The best potential outcome of this show is a restoration of the Federation as we once knew it.

Don't hold your breath

They will never attempt to fix this. And if they do restore the federation I won't even care anymore.

They have to literally undo all of this and make something that actually is in line the the originals for me to ever care again