Television The Star Trek Thread V6.0

[JDragon]

One of the main problems I see right away, and it's happened often enough: they gotta bring in the old characters for money reasons, and that automatically hampers the story because they have to give them things to do.

Fucking martial arts in a Star Trek show, holy shit

You actually ... managed to dislike the Picard trailer?

And about martial arts, well, I definitely thought it was too much in DSC, but would you rather have 60s sledgehammer strikes?

 

[JDragon]

Ditto. We also had Star Trek VI in the 90's.

Calling now the "greatest time to be a Star Trek fan" is a gross overstatement.

I think @sverre054 wasn't talking about 'now' but about 'soon, potentially'. There is a lot of very exciting stuff coming up from Picard to Lower Decks to (maybe) Discovery Season 3 to the Nickelodeon series to a potential Section 31 series and more.

Yes, sure, it's possible that it's all gonna suck, and believe me, I understand being a sceptic. I hated JJ Abrams' take on Star Trek, but I credit it with keeping the franchise alive (and still would rather not have them in any Star Trek Wiki, for example). Likewise I think Discovery dropped the ball with bad decisions regarding storytelling, pacing, and casting. But also here, Discovery definitely has been a success and has opened the possibility for the current situation where CBS is going all-in on Star Trek.

And THAT is a premise that is exciting to me and should be for any Star Trek fan. To me, it looks very much like Picard is a series for the loyal fans, and I am convinced they will seek to deliver and make them (essentially us!) happy. They sure are aware that casuals fill the cinema, but don't buy merchandise and don't keep the Franchise alive. I don't think anyone will talk about Avengers in 30 years. Not so with Star Trek.

Maybe on two years from now you will all have been right and CBS has only produced content that sucks and Star Trek is dead forever. It is possible. But not being excited at the prospect of what is happening, I cannot understand that (as well as I understand being opposed to Lensflare Trek).

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Ditto. We also had Star Trek VI in the 90's.

Calling now the "greatest time to be a Star Trek fan" is a gross overstatement.

I was including VI in my post. I said “we got four Trek movies” in the 90s, those four being VI, Generations, First Contact and Insurrection.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

You actually ... managed to dislike the Picard trailer?

And about martial arts, well, I definitely thought it was too much in DSC, but would you rather have 60s sledgehammer strikes?

I hope for thoughtful, ideals-heavy stories with heady themes about exploring other worlds and interacting with alien species, dealing with "anomaly/enemy of the week" stuff.
I'm not gonna be down for seeing an Abrams-style ST fan service nostalgia show.
Remains to be seen.
Since the pilot is usually bad I'm gonna watch at least the first two episodes.

I just think that it's time for me to give up on the hope of an old style tv show ST happening.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I was including VI in my post. I said “we got four Trek movies” in the 90s, those four being VI, Generations, First Contact and Insurrection.

The TNG movies were trash IMO.
The action hero Picard, no. Do not want. Troi's accent just becomes how Marina Sirtis talks, TNG accent forgotten.

I think ST has outgrown me. I suppose 7 seasons of TNG, 7 seasons of DS9, 7 of Voyager/the Seven of Nine show, and four seasons of Ent will satisfy my ST needs.

If films are included, ST the Slow Motion Picture is my favorite and the best. 2 is a good follow up to a story we've already seen (something I generally don't like). 4 is a fun, light hearted movie.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

The TNG movies were trash IMO.
The action hero Picard, no. Do not want. Troi's accent just becomes how Marina Sirtis talks, TNG accent forgotten.

I think ST has outgrown me. I suppose 7 seasons of TNG, 7 seasons of DS9, 7 of Voyager/the Seven of Nine show, and four seasons of Ent will satisfy my ST needs.

If films are included, ST the Slow Motion Picture is my favorite and the best. 2 is a good follow up to a story we've already seen (something I generally don't like). 4 is a fun, light hearted movie.

I agree somewhat. I used to really like First Contact when it came out 20 years ago, but in retrospect it basically ruined the Borg imo by replacing the collective with the Queen.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I agree somewhat. I used to really like First Contact when it came out 20 years ago, but in retrospect it basically ruined the Borg imo by replacing the collective with the Queen.

Yes, the Queen idea was one of those ST moments in the films where the writers just abandoned things previously established. In this case, incredibly, they built a story around it. Lazy writing IMO.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Yes, the Queen idea was one of those ST moments in the films where the writers just abandoned things previously established. In this case, incredibly, they built a story around it. Lazy writing IMO.

I can just imagine some dickhead executive at Paramount saying the film needed a villain and when the writers explained the collective he just dismissed them and said “no! The film needs a villain! Write one in!”

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I can just imagine some dickhead executive at Paramount saying the film needed a villain and when the writers explained the collective he just dismissed them and said “no! The film needs a villain! Write one in!”

Yah, a good story requires adversity, some obstacle to overcome so the arc can happen. But that's just lazy scriptwriting and story development.
Studio exec notes are usually not to the benefit of the film.

 

[JDragon]

New 'Picard' Prequel Books Revealed at STLV Publishing Panel
A new Simon & Schuster and IDW collaboration means big things for 'Star Trek: Picard'.
BYSTARTREK.COM STAFF
AUGUST 1, 2019 3:15 PM EDT

Jean-Luc Picard will return not only to the silver screen in the very near future, but also to the written page. CBS Consumer Products, in association with Simon & Schuster’s Gallery Books and IDW, today announced a pair of prequels created to shed light on the events leading into the new CBS series, Star Trek: Picard.

Starting in November, IDW will release Star Trek: Picard – Countdown, a deluxe 3-issue miniseries written by Mike Johnson and series Supervising Producer Kirsten Beyer. This countdown event centers around a mission that would go on to change the life of beloved Star Trek captain Jean-Luc Picard - widely considered to be one of the most popular and recognizable characters in all of science fiction.

Following Countdown's conclusion, Simon & Schuster Gallery Books will release The Last Best Hope in February 2020. Written by Una McCormack, the novel will also lead directly into the show and continue to introduce fans to brand new characters featured in the series. McCormack is the author of eight previous Star Trek novels, including The Lotus Flower (part of The Worlds of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine), Hollow Men and the New York Times bestsellers The Fall: The Crimson Shadow, Enigma Tales, and The Way to the Stars.

“From the moment we announced this series, we’ve seen a groundswell of support from our fan base who are thrilled to have Jean-Luc Picard back on their screens,” said Veronica Hart, EVP Global Franchise Management. “Having this brand new original backstory play out through both comic book and novel formats will set the stage for the new series in an exciting way while also showcasing the work of our talented partners at Simon & Schuster and IDW.”

https://intl.startrek.com/news/new-...eVjYgmAfzyxvedwr6ec5Qvj4d0BjECeumqD-KMvaLGu1I

 

[Philo-Publius]

I was including VI in my post. I said “we got four Trek movies” in the 90s, those four being VI, Generations, First Contact and Insurrection.

I missed that. I wasn't a fan of the other three though. lol

 

[Philo-Publius]

Yes, the Queen idea was one of those ST moments in the films where the writers just abandoned things previously established. In this case, incredibly, they built a story around it. Lazy writing IMO.

Her character totally countermanded that concept of the Borg. I also thought Picard and Worf were written out of character. We never saw Picard's crazed bullshit in the show. Even after "assimilation" he was still the same calm and collected Picard in the show.

Also, the whole time travel concept was a problem. If the Borg have the ability to travel back in time to do that, then they can do it anytime (including when the Enterprise is not around to stop them). And, the Enterprise crew polluted the fuck out of the time line involving themselves with the inventor of "warp."

I never understood why First Contact was such a popular film with Trek fans.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

I missed that. I wasn't a fan of the other three though. lol

VI is definitely better than every other Trek film that followed it. I have it behind II, III and IV but it’s better than every other Trek movie IMO.

 

[JDragon]

We never saw Picard's crazed bullshit in the show. Even after "assimilation" he was still the same calm and collected Picard in the show.

That was a key failure on behalf of the show, though, not the other way round.

 

[JDragon]

Writers Team for Star Trek Nickelodeon announced

 

[Philo-Publius]

VI is definitely better than every other Trek film that followed it. I have it behind II, III and IV but it’s better than every other Trek movie IMO.

VI is my favorite. The only other Trek films I liked were II and Nemesis (unorthodox, I know).

 

[Philo-Publius]

That was a key failure on behalf of the show, though, not the other way round.

Says you. How do you know what the aftermath of being de-borged would be? It's not even a real thing. The film was not consistent with what had already been established on the show. It was just one thing that rubbed me the wrong way about that film.

 

[sverre054]

This is the con at which Stewart announced 'Picard' last year, correct?

Yes, it's basically the official con. CBS had it set up for Stewart to announce Picard at SDCC, but he said they should instead announce at STLV. He wanted to give that to the fans.

 

[sverre054]

Ditto. We also had Star Trek VI in the 90's.

Calling now the "greatest time to be a Star Trek fan" is a gross overstatement.

I didn't say it was the greatest time. I said we could be entering the Greatest time, with all the cool shit coming out. Sadly with every new trek series, many fans bash it out of the gate. Then years later, it's those same fans favorite show. If TNG aired today, and encounter at Farpoint was the premiere episode, it would have been eviscerated online, and the show would have likely never taken off. The first two seasons of TNG were pretty bad, with a few gems thrown in. Now it's considered one of the greatest shows of all time. I don't understand how some people can be upset or negative about getting new star trek. We had a long drought with no new Star Trek, so I'm excited to see it become a priority for CBS, and not the red-headed stepchild. Sure not everyone is going to love it all, but its an exciting time to Be a trek fan.

 

[sverre054]

It has just never gotten back to the quality of the TNG series. A huge standard to be sure. I want Picard to be successful, but am not sure I will watch.

First two season of TNG were not very good, outside a few classic episodes. I love TNG 100x more than DSC, but Discovery's first two seasons, were much stronger overall, than TNG's first two.