Television The Star Trek Thread V6.0

Is the new star trek any good? Should I pay for CBS?
First part of season one is kinda wonky, and the cahnge to the Klingons is jarring st first, but the show get better and better as it goes along. By season 2, it became quite a good show.

You'll get a wide spectrum of people opinions on the show, but many of the people who hate it, only watched one or two episodes(not all, some just don't like it, which is fine) . Make your own descion. You can get a free week of CBS all access right now, so binge it, and see if you like it.
 
True. They could kick off Picard in January/February with 10 episodes, then Discovery season 3 in May/June and have Lower Decks in Q3/4-2020.

The Picard trailer looks very promising. Looks like they produce enough beef in terms of universe building for a 2400s series if they want to do that at some point.
Yeah that's what I'm hoping for. More shows in that era. If Riker and Troi appear with the Titan, I could really see them doing a Titan show. The Titan had a cool mission and was a pretty sick ship. When they made him an admiral in the books, that made an even cooler premise.
 
Why is all the new star trek's on CBS access ? Want to watch Picard in fall ...... had no intrest in the SJW Discovery so dodnt bother with it.

Is there another way to watch other than to order cbs access? Got espn+ Amazon n Netflix along with Cable no need for more.
 


They begin filming the final episodes of this season of Picard, this week. I guess they feature Riker and Troi
 
Why is all the new star trek's on CBS access ? Want to watch Picard in fall ...... had no intrest in the SJW Discovery so dodnt bother with it.

Is there another way to watch other than to order cbs access? Got espn+ Amazon n Netflix along with Cable no need for more.
What is it with the SJW talk, About DSC? I don't get it....

Everything is going to be on all access. All the major networks are in a steaming service arms race. The old network/cable system is dying. Only going to get worse with disney+ coming this fall. Outside the US Picard will be on Amazon. You can also sign up for CBS all access through Amazon.

I'll be honest, I only subscribe to all access when DSC, is airing but I will admit, I really enjoyed it during NFL season. It's a pretty slick app for sports watching. Once Picard airs, I will likely become a full time subscriber, since they will have more content I want.
 
What is it with the SJW talk, About DSC? I don't get it....

Everything is going to be on all access. All the major networks are in a steaming service arms race. The old network/cable system is dying. Only going to get worse with disney+ coming this fall. Outside the US Picard will be on Amazon. You can also sign up for CBS all access through Amazon.

I'll be honest, I only subscribe to all access when DSC, is airing but I will admit, I really enjoyed it during NFL season. It's a pretty slick app for sports watching. Once Picard airs, I will likely become a full time subscriber, since they will have more content I want.
I just watched first episode of season 1 to me it screamed girl power SJW. Maybe it got different later.

U know 8f u can just buy episodes on Amazon or u got to order the service?
 


Around 5 mins in, Spiner appears confirm that it is B4 in the drawer. That final scene also feels very off imo, it has pretty much a Westworld vibe. I don't think that is Data, maybe Picard tried to get him back but failed.

Cool interview.

Data will be in multiple episodes. B4 is the Android we see in the drawer. Hugh the borg is the leader of the free non collective Borg. Will see random characters seen, within tng, but not necessarily the regular cast members. They are planning for multiple seasons.
 
Cool interview.

Data will be in multiple episodes. B4 is the Android we see in the drawer. Hugh the borg is the leader of the free non collective Borg. Will see random characters seen, within tng, but not necessarily the regular cast members. They are planning for multiple seasons.

Give me Q or give me death.
 
God damn am I all in for this new Picard show!

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I just watched first episode of season 1 to me it screamed girl power SJW. Maybe it got different later.

U know 8f u can just buy episodes on Amazon or u got to order the service?
First two episodes of season 1, are the worse episodes of Discovery. You can rent the episodes, or on Amazon you can subscribe for a week fro free, then immediately cancel the subscription. You still get your free 7 days of viewing, but won't be charged. FYI you can do that for any of the add on Amazon channels
 
So I started watching Discovery a few weeks ago and am about 2/3rds to 3/4ths of the way through season 1. I have to say I find it rather bewildering that the show seemingly flushes 50 years of Star Trek cannon and lore down the toilet yet they chose to preserve a storyline from Star Trek Enterprise of all shows, namely, the plot about the Defiant from the Tholian Web episode in TOS being sent back in time 100 years into the Mirror Universe. I thought that was a rather odd and nonsensical plot in the episode in Enterprise that featured the Mirror Universe. That fact that they’ve expanded upon that in Discovery is fucking bizarre given how much else they’ve thrown away or retconned.
 
So I started watching Discovery a few weeks ago and am about 2/3rds to 3/4ths of the way through season 1. I have to say I find it rather bewildering that the show seemingly flushes 50 years of Star Trek cannon and lore down the toilet yet they chose to preserve a storyline from Star Trek Enterprise of all shows, namely, the plot about the Defiant from the Tholian Web episode in TOS being sent back in time 100 years into the Mirror Universe. I thought that was a rather odd and nonsensical plot in the episode in Enterprise that featured the Mirror Universe. That fact that they’ve expanded upon that in Discovery is fucking bizarre given how much else they’ve thrown away or retconned.
You shouldn't watch it. They probably record views, and you are just contributing to that garbage heap. I simply pretend the STD series doesn't even exist.

Enterprise was flawed, and it messed up some of the canon, but I thoroughly enjoyed the mirror universe episodes. I felt like Manny Coto's direction in season 4 was exactly what the series needed after a lackluster 2nd season and 3rd season with a total bullshit story arc. Coto respected original canon.
 
So I started watching Discovery a few weeks ago and am about 2/3rds to 3/4ths of the way through season 1. I have to say I find it rather bewildering that the show seemingly flushes 50 years of Star Trek cannon and lore down the toilet yet they chose to preserve a storyline from Star Trek Enterprise of all shows, namely, the plot about the Defiant from the Tholian Web episode in TOS being sent back in time 100 years into the Mirror Universe. I thought that was a rather odd and nonsensical plot in the episode in Enterprise that featured the Mirror Universe. That fact that they’ve expanded upon that in Discovery is fucking bizarre given how much else they’ve thrown away or retconned.
Season one canon wise was a mess. They retconned and fixed quite a bit in season 2.
 
That one shot in the Picard trailer with that mountain that appears to be from the Mintakans is really fantastic
 
Oh btw. Calling it now;

DATA ISN'T BACK. HE IS A FIGMENT OF PICARD'S IMAGINATION WHICH IS A SIDE EFFECT OF THE IRUMODIC SYNDROME THAT HAS NOW STARTED TO EFFECT HIS SANITY.

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He's wearing the same uniform that was in nemesis and the last time we have seen Data.
 
Oh btw. Calling it now;

DATA ISN'T BACK. HE IS A FIGMENT OF PICARD'S IMAGINATION WHICH IS A SIDE EFFECT OF THE IRUMODIC SYNDROME THAT HAS NOW STARTED TO EFFECT HIS SANITY.

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He's wearing the same uniform that was in nemesis and the last time we have seen Data.

I think the Data scenes are legit, but I have no doubt what you write might be the case. Picard having IS might once again be the reason why nobody believes him.
 
Oh btw. Calling it now;

DATA ISN'T BACK. HE IS A FIGMENT OF PICARD'S IMAGINATION WHICH IS A SIDE EFFECT OF THE IRUMODIC SYNDROME THAT HAS NOW STARTED TO EFFECT HIS SANITY.

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He's wearing the same uniform that was in nemesis and the last time we have seen Data.
I think it's possible its flashbacks he's having, but I think Data will be back and alive. One of the main cast numbers is supposedly a cybernetics researcher, who has a past with Picard. Pretty sure she will have a lot to do with Data's story. I almost think it's going to be Data trying to console and council Picard and not the other way around. Picard is scared for letting Data, whom he considers to almost be like a son, die for his behalf. Brent also said in an interview, he's in multiple episodes, throughout the season.

Data is one of the most beloved characters in all of Star Trek, and I'm pretty sure they want him back alive. Much easier to make and sell content and merchandise, if the character is alive. Countless novels and videos games have gone deep into bringing data back, because he's such an important character, and they left it set up for him to return. That was going to be an important plot of ST 11, but sadly Nemesis killed the TNG films.
 
Here's a good article, on the CBS/Viacom merger. This would once again, bring the Star Trek films, back under CBS control, who controls all other Star Trek IP(TV, Games, comics, books, ect...)
Star Trek is playing a major role, in this 30+ billion dollar merger.

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CBS' plan to acquire Viacom for up to $15.4 billion could be announced Aug. 8, giving its controlling shareholder the ability to leverage IP like 'Star Trek' across film and TV to better compete with Disney, Netflix and the rest.

In 2005, the parents of Star Trek divorced, with CBS winning custody of the TV shows while Viacom got the film franchise, courtesy of its Paramount Pictures. It's all but certain, though, that a reconciliation is in the works and an announcement of their intended reunification, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter, is due Aug. 8, the day each is set to report quarterly earnings.

Some insiders — only on deep background, but with a straight face — say that putting Star Trek back under one roof is, indeed, one important reason to reunite Viacom with CBS, much like Disney has worked hard to keep as many Marvel characters as possible in its singular House of Mouse. For that matter, Mission: Impossible also could use some continuity, as Viacom has the films while CBS ran the original series from 1966 to 1973.

Broadly speaking, the industrywide shift to streaming is driving the need for CBS and Viacom to merge: CBS needs more content to feed All Access and its Showtime direct-to-consumer products in order to chase Netflix, Amazon and Hulu and to keep pace with Disney, WarnerMedia and Apple, each of which has its own Netflix competitor in the works.

Netflix's 151.6 million worldwide subscribers, after all, dwarf the reach of All Access and Showtime OTT, which have been outperforming expectations but still have only 8 million subs between them, with management expecting 25 million by 2022. Perhaps the Netflix dam is cracking slightly, though: It said July 17 that it added 2.7 million subscribers in the second quarter, well shy of the 5 million it expected.

The last time Viacom and CBS tried to merge was in the fall of 2016, but much has changed since then, with the number of American households that have cut the cable cord at about 16 million and Leslie Moonves — the former CEO of CBS who fought tooth and nail against a merger before being ousted for alleged sexual misconduct — now out of the way. "This is the first time we're truly excited by the thought of a CBS-Viacom combo," Wolfe Research analyst Marci Ryvicker told her clients while opining that there's an 85 percent chance the two will merge. Viacom and CBS declined to comment.

Each company would offset the weaknesses of the other, says S&P Global analyst Naveen Sarma. "Viacom lacks a must-have network, and CBS would resolve that," he says. Viacom, with its international acumen, also would be leaned on to help CBS and Showtime go global while Paramount's library would populate CBS All Access. "Assets are complementary, and there is very little overlap," says Sarma.



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Mogul Shari Redstone is said to prefer that Viacom CEO Bob Bakish run the potentially reunified company.

Viacom and CBS are controlled by Shari Redstone and her 96-year-old father, Sumner, by way of National Amusements, which gives them 80 percent of the voting shares of both companies. While Shari, 65, is prohibited from proposing a merger herself (courtesy of a lawsuit settled in 2018 whereby Moonves sought to water down the Redstones' stake in CBS), it's merely semantics, as she has plenty of allies on both boards who can champion the idea for her.

CBS, with its superior market cap ($20 billion compared to $13 billion) would be the acquiring company and is thus expected to pay a premium, possibly as much as $15.4 billion, to acquire Viacom. If merged, CBS-Viacom's value would slightly eclipse that of SiriusXM Radio, though it wouldn't approach Disney or Comcast, worth $253 billion and $201 billion, respectively, or even Sony ($68 billion).

The price, though, is a sticking point, as is the management structure, since Shari is said to prefer that Viacom CEO Bob Bakish run the potentially reunified company rather than CBS CEO Joe Ianniello, whose contract expires at the end of 2019.

"Bakish is certain to be anointed CEO of the new combined companies because he resurrected Viacom from the digital dead, buying Pluto TV for $340 million, investing in Jeffery Katzenberg's Quibi and driving the once-stodgy company into e-sports," investment advisory firm Creatv Media says in a report. "Maybe Ianniello sticks around to help with integration and sell some assets, given he has been good at that stuff," adds Steve Birenberg, founder of Northlake Capital Management.

If the companies merge, the larger entity would instantly gain heft for acquiring more companies, argues Ryvicker. Already, CBS has offered about $5 billion to buy Starz from Lionsgate, and some say that Univision might make for a snappy asset, as the Spanish-language media company is for sale at a relative bargain price after multiple failed attempts to go public.

If (or when) the two merge, the company name ought to be CBS, says Jimmy Schaeffler of the Carmel Group, who calls it a "tiny but important part of the decision. That would give them more recognition and moxie with the public and Wall Street." Analysts expect a combined CBS-Viacom to pour ever more money into content, and insiders say that, just like now, when the two merge they won't hoard their shows and movies for their own streaming services but sell many of them to the highest bidders — and there will be plenty as Disney and WarnerMedia pull their content from Netflix.

CBS produces 88 shows for 14 different streaming, cable and broadcast platforms, but only seven are exclusively for All Access. While the ability to coordinate Star Trek film and streaming releases is a benefit, notes Alan Gould of Loop Capital Markets, CBS especially needs low-cost children's programming for All Access (Nickelodeon would fill that void) and it also could air music content from Viacom's MTV and VH1.

But as the hype builds, there are downsides, warns FBN Securities. If the Redstones want to sell Viacom, they should seek a buyer beyond CBS, the firm implores. "The entity's assets would likely be of material interest to quite a few suitors," says FBN, adding, "These interested parties would be willing to pay incredibly large sums for what Viacom has."
 
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