The Star Trek Thread, V5.0

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I'm hopeful, but with the recent tone shift in the Star Trek world I'm concerned. TNG was a hopeful, slow moving, thoughtful endeavour which spoke of a utopian future that was (sometimes) under duress, but always against a backdrop of a really positive vision. Today's Star Trek is more nuanced, dark, and overtly dramatic.

The show could be great, but I'm worried it'll be a far cry from the Trek I grew up with, and have a Picard who isn't the optimistic intellectual type we knew in TNG. The optimistic enlightenment values which were at the core of his character are under fire in a big way these days, culturally, and I worry if the show will try and capture that rather than just indulge itself in Roddenberry's dream of a utopian future.
 
sissypunch said:
He's the SJW captain. I prefer Kirk. Kirk was more of an alpha, a fighter, a drinker, a lover of green alien bitches. Kirk would probably have been a Sherdogger. Picard would have been a redditor.
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I'd say that Picard was more of a classical liberal than an SJW'er. The guy has episodes where he's arguing for the defense of free speech and personal liberties, he suggests to Wesley that reading old philosophy (Henry James? Locke? Can't remember who) gives "this all meaning" when an SJW'er would denounce it as the words of dead white men, and he seems to have a relatively set view of what goodness and truth are - whereas the SJW position is predicated on positionality and explaining "your truth" rather than "the truth." Picard also had a staunch defense of empire (the Federation) at the core of his character. What's more, the whole Star Trek project of exploration reeks of an age of discovery attitude that was a precursor to colonialism, which the SJW crowd is pretty hostile to these days.

There are places where it gets muddy, but Picard screams "enlightenment intellectual" to me more than SJW'er. I'm not sure TV today is willing to treat a character like that without a cynical edge.
 
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They're coming out with a movie of Peckerhead?
 
Dude had sex with cgi's..

He was one of us
 
Not A Theist said:
I'm hopeful, but with the recent tone shift in the Star Trek world I'm concerned. TNG was a hopeful, slow moving, thoughtful endeavour which spoke of a utopian future that was (sometimes) under duress, but always against a backdrop of a really positive vision. Today's Star Trek is more nuanced, dark, and overtly dramatic.

The show could be great, but I'm worried it'll be a far cry from the Trek I grew up with, and have a Picard who isn't the optimistic intellectual type we knew in TNG. The optimistic enlightenment values which were at the core of his character are under fire in a big way these days, culturally, and I worry if the show will try and capture that rather than just indulge itself in Roddenberry's dream of a utopian future.
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Sir Patrick stewert didn't want to return to the same trek he ended all those years back, im hopeful this series delivers in a way discovery never did
 
Deicide030 said:
Sir Patrick stewert didn't want to return to the same trek he ended all those years back, im hopeful this series delivers in a way discovery never did
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Well, I hope it doesn't end up like the vanity project of some older musician who makes a new album years into his retirement that has fans excited, and then ends up letting them all down when the style is something way different than what they knew of the author's earlier work. If Stewart wants to re-invent Picard and Trek, he'd better do a bloody good job of it, because it really wasn't broken and doesn't need fixing.
 
Picard in the new series better be like TNG Picard with like better beats and wiser, more insightful lyrics.

Not autotuned trap music Picard with rainbow dreads and Federation tats on his face.
 
@JDragon etc

Finally finished TNG. It had its ups and downs. My personal favorite was the second Moriarty episode, "Ship in a Bottle". The twist about the holodeck was the essence of a great Star Trek sci-fi twist.

Just watched Generations. It was okay, but I disliked what they did with Data. Making him an annoying, laughing weakling in the first film was a bad move. The whole reason I love him is that he is a non emotional android trying to reach humanity, but can't grasp it. Like aspergers or anxiety robot. But now he sucks.
 
The Diplomat said:
@JDragon etc

Finally finished TNG. It had its ups and downs. My personal favorite was the second Moriarty episode, "Ship in a Bottle". The twist about the holodeck was the essence of a great Star Trek sci-fi twist.

Just watched Generations. It was okay, but I disliked what they did with Data. Making him an annoying, laughing weakling in the first film was a bad move. The whole reason I love him is that he is a non emotional android trying to reach humanity, but can't grasp it. Like aspergers or anxiety robot. But now he sucks.
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Would recommend watching DS9 now.
 
Aegon Spengler said:
I also prefer Spock as my #1 but it’s close. Data wasn’t a commander for a reason tho, I trust Picards’ judgement.

Best bridge crew/main cast combo IMO:

Captain: Picard
First Officer: Spock
Tactical Officer: Worf
Operations Officer: Data
Chief of Security: Odo
Helmsman: Sulu
Communications: Ohura
Doctor: Bones
Chief Engineer: Miles O’Brien
Science officer: Jadzia Dax
Councillor: Troi
Official hot chick: 7 of 9
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In one of the early episodes Kirk's bad side or shadow is separated in a transporter accident or something. Basically his primal instincts become one Kirk, the bad Kirk, and the rest of him was regular Kirk. All the "bad" was taken out of him. All his instincts, hate, etc. There was really only one major bad side effect. He could no longer make decisions. Dana would be terrible at decision making in the heat of the moment. He is all theory. Spock would be better.
 
Was also just thinking of the tablets they had. lol. Those morons. They had ipads but each one only had a single order and then was thrown out. lol. It was like a piece of paper. I remember one episode where they were like in a storage room and there was a ton of them.
 
JonesBones said:
In one of the early episodes Kirk's bad side or shadow is separated in a transporter accident or something. Basically his primal instincts become one Kirk, the bad Kirk, and the rest of him was regular Kirk. All the "bad" was taken out of him. All his instincts, hate, etc. There was really only one major bad side effect. He could no longer make decisions. Dana would be terrible at decision making in the heat of the moment. He is all theory. Spock would be better.
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By the end of TNG, Data becomes a very competent and effective commander. Campare him to how he acts in season one, to say "Gambit" in season 7 when he is in command.
 
Michelle Paradise, the new discovery show runner, just did a live chat, and talked about the finale. She said all the lose ends will be awnsered in the finale, and season 3 she wants to improve upon her 3 favorite aspects of star trek. Adventure, science, mixed in with a little fun.
 
The Diplomat said:
I'm going to. It'll be a pain though, it isn't remastered on Netflix like TNG, so it's super blurry.
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First 2 season are a little slow, so just power through(there are great episodes those first 2 seasons as well) Seasons 3-7, are some of the best TV ever. DS9 kinda created the modern day serialized episode style, whereas TNG was more weekly adventures, DS9 gets into multi season long arcs.
 
JonesBones said:
Was also just thinking of the tablets they had. lol. Those morons. They had ipads but each one only had a single order and then was thrown out. lol. It was like a piece of paper. I remember one episode where they were like in a storage room and there was a ton of them.
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Well, they do have replicators. Maybe for security reasons they just replicate them like they're pieces of paper.
 
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