The Star Trek Thread, V5.0

[Joe_Armstrong]

About midway through the first season of DS9. It's definitely a better written show than TNG.

I notice that attempted murder isn't that big of a deal though. There are plenty of times when someone tries to kill a main character, and they are forgiven lol

Kai Winn is a top 10 TV villain.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

About midway through the first season of DS9. It's definitely a better written show than TNG.

I notice that attempted murder isn't that big of a deal though. There are plenty of times when someone tries to kill a main character, and they are forgiven lol

I dont think they are comparable but I will say, Captain Sisko is the biggest over actor. the show has a lot of solid cast members though.

 

[The Diplomat]

I dont think they are comparable but I will say, Captain Sisko is the biggest over actor. the show has a lot of solid cast members though.

Sisko might be the worst. He screams when he shouldn't, and laughs when it's awkward.

Tbh, I hated the Ferengi before this series, but Quark is a unique favorite.

 

[sverre054]

I dont think they are comparable but I will say, Captain Sisko is the biggest over actor. the show has a lot of solid cast members though.

He's the most emotional captain. Hes kinda a shell of a person, who has this massive burden thrust upon him. Star Trek is fairly black and white, but DS9 is more a shade of gray, and Sisko crosses the line sometimes.

 

[sverre054]

Wow season 2 finale of DSC was quite the undertaking. The visual effects and space battles were truly epic. Only thing close were some of the dominion war space battles, but this was just crazy.

I'll wait for more people to watch, before commenting, so I don't spoil it for anyone. All in all I'm pretty satisfied with where the show is going. They have solved alot of headaches for themselves, but I'm excited to see where they go.

I am also all in for a Captain Pike Enterprise show. Pike, Number one and Spock were all wonderfully cast, and they did a great job on the 1701. It was done tastefully to keep the original feel, but added some modern tech and touches. They also confirmed that the built the Enterprise sets, on its own sound stage. Wouldn't surprise me at all, if Kurtzman and crew, are trying to throw together deals to make either a series, or even movie for the Pike crew. I would love a limited series, that could gracefully lead into Pike leading a Star Fleet academy series.

 

[JDragon]

https://www.themarysue.com/riker-sits-down/

I had no idea

 

[Jack Stevonovich]

it's all sucked since the next generation ended. nerds.

 

[sverre054]

it's all sucked since the next generation ended. nerds.

 

[JDragon]

Still haven't seen the final two episodes, but I already know what happens in general terms. I like the conclusion but have large wtf question marks regarding the why.

Spoilers included, if you respond, please kindly use spoiler tags also

Spoiler

Season started off well, but the story was a load of crap and got more confusing as it progressed. Without Anson Mount, it would have been unbearable.

IMO what happened is that Bryan Fuller wanted to do an anthology series, CBS said no. Bryan Fuller wanted to do the Klingon War, nobody else did. IMO season 1 was inevitable, now season 2 was just to escape that setting and do a de facto anthology thing. Season 3 holds a lot of promise, but not with the technique and storylining of season 2.

Now my question: why the hell do they do the time travel mission? Leland / Control was defeated. It is something every single review caught.

 

[Loiosh]

But it would be different when there is no monetary value to it. Would stuff be appreciated as much when It has no monetary worth

It also got me thinking of DS9. I wonder how the Federation crew got money. It seems like many of the services and products on the station, had to be paid for. Where do they get that latinum?

Forever Peace by Joe Haldeman dealt with this. It was a universe where anything could be replicated at zero cost, so they created an artifical cost. You had to earn credits ro replicate luxury items. You could replicate pretty fantastic things, the scale was off the charts, but there was a cost so it wasn't completely meaningless.

 

[sverre054]

Still haven't seen the final two episodes, but I already know what happens in general terms. I like the conclusion but have large wtf question marks regarding the why.

Spoilers included, if you respond, please kindly use spoiler tags also

Spoiler

Season started off well, but the story was a load of crap and got more confusing as it progressed. Without Anson Mount, it would have been unbearable.

IMO what happened is that Bryan Fuller wanted to do an anthology series, CBS said no. Bryan Fuller wanted to do the Klingon War, nobody else did. IMO season 1 was inevitable, now season 2 was just to escape that setting and do a de facto anthology thing. Season 3 holds a lot of promise, but not with the technique and storylining of season 2.

Now my question: why the hell do they do the time travel mission? Leland / Control was defeated. It is something every single review caught.

Spoiler: Spoliers

I like Bryan Fuller, but he was the main force behind some unpopular decisions, like changing the Klingons, spore drive, ect. It was also his proteges who took over for him, and then were fired early season. The production was a mess, largely due to committing himself to too many projects. At the time he committed to showrunning 3 separate shows, and while hes a creative genius, he's well known to have terrible people skills, and demand his way or the highway. He's since been fired from all 3 shows, so I think he has to take some of the blame.

I thought season one was interesting story wise, and had some really good episodes. Lorca was a great choice, and I actually thought the whole mirror universe thing worked. The Klingons and the war were a mess from the start. But all in all, I still think it was one of the better first season of any trek show.

Season 2 apparently the plan was actually to jump to the future. Apparently Kurtzman, felt really strongly about listening to the fans, and wanted to fix things and line up with canon. Bringing in the Enterprise with pike and Spock was a really risky move, that could have gone really bad, but they chose fantastic actors, and they delivered. After the season one show runners were canned after 4 episodes, I think Kurtzman did a great move by taking back the reigns and hiring Michele Paradise to help run the show. Shes a huge trekkie and her episodes were great. I actually feel fairly good at the moment with Kurtzman at the helm of the franchise. I think being put in charge of everything, and getting a long term contract allows him to fully focus on Trek.

The finale space battles were incredible. I'm not sure I've seen better CGI in any movie. IT suffered from DSC biggest issue IMO, the pacing is way too fast. The ending, lets them set there own path going forward. It will be curious to see if they will use the spore drive to now jump to other times, or just explore the 33rd century. Either way they are moving forward to something new, going boldly into the unknown.

It will be interesting to see If the Enterprise well be in season 3, trying to figure what the signal DSC sent from the beta quadrant means, or if we get a spinoff. Both Mount and Kurtzman have commented on the fan support for a pike show, so hopefully we will see them again.

 

[JDragon]

@sverre054 I largely agree with everything you wrote, I just think that the pacing has also been abused to hide sloppy writing.

Regarding spoiler discussion:

Spoiler

It will be interesting to see If the Enterprise well be in season 3, trying to figure what the signal DSC sent from the beta quadrant means, or if we get a spinoff. Both Mount and Kurtzman have commented on the fan support for a pike show, so hopefully we will see them again.

Spoiler: Spoilers with more spoilers

I think we will see nothing of the sort for season 3. Kurtzman already has confirmed that it will be set in the future:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...y-season-2-finale-time-jump-explained-1203166

This also makes it imperative to review the short Trek set in the future (Calypso).

Chabon has all but confirmed that the V'draysh are the remnants of the federation.

 

[sverre054]

Hanelle Culpepper (pictured directing Star Trek: Discovery’s “Vaulting Ambition”) is helming the first two episodes of new Picard show


First pictures starting to leak, from Picard. There will be 5 directors this season, each is being given a 2 hour block to direct.

 

[JDragon]

Hanelle Culpepper (pictured directing Star Trek: Discovery’s “Vaulting Ambition”) is helming the first two episodes of new Picard show


First pictures starting to leak, from Picard. There will be 5 directors this season, each is being given a 2 hour block to direct.

And Frakes will do block 2 (ep 3/4).

 

[Philo-Publius]

it's all sucked since the next generation ended. nerds.

DS9 was awesome, and Enterprise was flawed but had its moments. Voyager was garbage and this new shit is garbage too.

 

[sverre054]

So here are some end of season reviews/ ratings

IMDB voting has the finale at 91% currently

And DSC finished season high, 3rd overall for digital expressions. Parrot analytics, and there digital expressions ratings system, is becoming a new standard in the industry, to replace the flawed Nielsen system, which of course can't track streaming and digital content.

 

[sverre054]

Nickelodeon has green lite its new trek series


Cliff Lipson/CBS
Nickelodeon has given a green light to an animated Star Trek series from Emmy-winning writers Kevin and Dan Hageman (Trollhunters, Ninjago), CBS TV Studios and Alex Kurtzman’s studio-based Secret Hideout.

Penned by the Hageman brothers, the original CG-animated series is targeted at younger audiences. It follows a group of lawless teens who discover a derelict Starfleet ship and use it to search for adventure, meaning and salvation.


The series hails from CBS’ Eye Animation Productions, CBS Television Studios’ new animation arm; Secret Hideout; and Roddenberry Entertainment. Alex Kurtzman, Heather Kadin, Katie Krentz, Rod Roddenberry and Trevor Roth will serve as executive producers alongside Kevin and Dan Hageman. Aaron Baiers will serve as a co-executive producer. Ramsey Naito, EVP, Animation Production and Development, Nickelodeon will oversee the project for Nickelodeon.

“Star Trek’s mission is to inspire generations of dreamers to build a brighter future,” said Kurtzman. “Dan and Kevin have crafted a story that honors its exploratory spirit in a way that’s never been done before, while the Nickelodeon team blew us away with their excitement at bringing ‘Trek’ to a younger generation around the world.”

“Star Trek, Nickelodeon, and the state of animation are doing incredibly ambitious things as of late. We couldn’t be more excited to jump aboard,” said Dan and Kevin Hageman.

The project is envisioned as a major tentpole series for Nickelodeon under its new president Brian Robbins. It also marks a collaboration between Viacom and CBS Corp companies that likely will become corporate siblings as their parents are headed to a merger.

“Partnering with CBS Television Studios and the creative masterminds behind the Star Trek franchise is an incredible opportunity and allows our audience to discover rich characters and new stories,” said Naito. “Star Trek is a franchise loved by generations of fans around the globe, and adding Nickelodeon as home to the next animated series is a perfect fit.”


The new animated series will join Star Trek: Discovery and Star Trek: Short Treks, a series of short stories tied to Discovery, along with Picard (working title) starring Patrick Stewart; animated series Lower Decks from Mike McMahan (Rick & Morty’s) targeted at mature audiences; and Section 31, which is in development with Michelle Yeoh attached to star. All are for CBS All Access.

Kevin and Dan Hageman’s writing credits include The Lego Movie, The Lego Ninjago Movie, and the Trollhunters and Ninjago: Masters of Spinjitzu series. They most recently co-wrote the screenplay for Croods 2. They also co-wrote CBS Films’ upcoming Scary Stories, produced by Guillermo del Toro.

The new Star Trek series is the third animated series from CBS Television Studios, following Star Trek: Lower Decks for CBS All Access and Our Cartoon President for Showtime.

Claudia Spinelli, VP Animation Development, Nickelodeon, is the executive in charge of the new animated Star Trek series for Nickelodeon.

 

[JDragon]

Nickelodeon has greeblite its new trek series


Cliff Lipson/CBS
Nickelodeon has given a green light to an animated Star Trek series from Emmy-winning writers Kevin and Dan Hageman (Trollhunters, Ninjago), CBS TV Studios and Alex Kurtzman’s studio-based Secret Hideout.

Penned by the Hageman brothers, the original CG-animated series is targeted at younger audiences. It follows a group of lawless teens who discover a derelict Starfleet ship and use it to search for adventure, meaning and salvation.


The series hails from CBS’ Eye Animation Productions, CBS Television Studios’ new animation arm; Secret Hideout; and Roddenberry Entertainment. Alex Kurtzman, Heather Kadin, Katie Krentz, Rod Roddenberry and Trevor Roth will serve as executive producers alongside Kevin and Dan Hageman. Aaron Baiers will serve as a co-executive producer. Ramsey Naito, EVP, Animation Production and Development, Nickelodeon will oversee the project for Nickelodeon.

“Star Trek’s mission is to inspire generations of dreamers to build a brighter future,” said Kurtzman. “Dan and Kevin have crafted a story that honors its exploratory spirit in a way that’s never been done before, while the Nickelodeon team blew us away with their excitement at bringing ‘Trek’ to a younger generation around the world.”

“Star Trek, Nickelodeon, and the state of animation are doing incredibly ambitious things as of late. We couldn’t be more excited to jump aboard,” said Dan and Kevin Hageman.

The project is envisioned as a major tentpole series for Nickelodeon under its new president Brian Robbins. It also marks a collaboration between Viacom and CBS Corp companies that likely will become corporate siblings as their parents are headed to a merger.

“Partnering with CBS Television Studios and the creative masterminds behind the Star Trek franchise is an incredible opportunity and allows our audience to discover rich characters and new stories,” said Naito. “Star Trek is a franchise loved by generations of fans around the globe, and adding Nickelodeon as home to the next animated series is a perfect fit.”


The new animated series will join Star Trek: Discovery and Star Trek: Short Treks, a series of short stories tied to Discovery, along with Picard (working title) starring Patrick Stewart; animated series Lower Decks from Mike McMahan (Rick & Morty’s) targeted at mature audiences; and Section 31, which is in development with Michelle Yeoh attached to star. All are for CBS All Access.

Kevin and Dan Hageman’s writing credits include The Lego Movie, The Lego Ninjago Movie, and the Trollhunters and Ninjago: Masters of Spinjitzu series. They most recently co-wrote the screenplay for Croods 2. They also co-wrote CBS Films’ upcoming Scary Stories, produced by Guillermo del Toro.

The new Star Trek series is the third animated series from CBS Television Studios, following Star Trek: Lower Decks for CBS All Access and Our Cartoon President for Showtime.

Claudia Spinelli, VP Animation Development, Nickelodeon, is the executive in charge of the new animated Star Trek series for Nickelodeon.

Sounds great imo.

 

[Madmick]

So here are some end of season reviews/ ratings

IMDB voting has the finale at 91% currently

And DSC finished season high, 3rd overall for digital expressions. Parrot analytics, and there digital expressions ratings system, is becoming a new standard in the industry, to replace the flawed Nielsen system, which of course can't track streaming and digital content.

It's down to 8.8 already, and it doesn't deserve it. That finale was a steaming pile of shit, and the show is a mess. What the hell was that? The cheesy cavalry rides in at the last minute to save the day isn't new to Star Trek, but Saru's sister leading a squadron of Kelpian aces? LOL, how do you turn in a script like that with a straight face? It was like Flash Gordon, except it wasn't satirical camp.

Not that it matters. The average ratings for the season were subpar as I posted in the The Orville thread.

This show isn't Star Trek. There's nothing Trekkian about it. I have even come to hold the arc-based narrative in contempt. If there was ever a show, and a genre, that truly spread its wings with the bottled episode format, it was this show, and philosophical sci-fi (i.e. Star Trek, Outer Limits, Twilight Zone; more recently Black Mirror, etc).

No, it's an unending chain of scenes with molasses-thick forced melodrama (I can't take another 5 seconds of Martin's terrible acting where she has to pretend to be frozen with grief); the shallow, insincere philosophical introspection of its self-absorbed protagonist suffering from a martyr complex who for some reason the showrunners think we will respect or admire above other superior, more noble characters; hokey Kung-Fu action sequences that actually resolve significant conflicts of plot; and the required tolerance of characters who have been outright hostile/disloyal to the federation, or repeatedly flout regulations, yet never suffer any meaningful consequences, or abridgement of trust.

BTW, if one is going to lean the plot and story as heavily as they did on fistfights and gunplay, then you don't get a free pass on godawful logistics. One second Leland was a true Terminator who could throw a person across the room, or "cross a room in 0.8 seconds", taking multiple phaser blasts, but in the next instant we're suddenly in the middle of Whedonverse rules where a 110-pound human female is, like, so badass man, she conquered the mirror universe man, don't underestimate her man, they're practically evenly matched in a hand-to-hand fight. Freaking amateur hour. It would be like watching Sarah Connor hold her own against the T-1000 because...karate. Control's prowess in battle was ridiculously inconsistent.

The bright spot of the season were the back-to-back episodes that saw Spock introduced, but they squandered those, producing another season of meandering mediocrity, and they're all out of Anson Mount who was the only reason it wasn't an abject failure.

To Star Trek Discovery: please don't come back.

 

[sverre054]

FYI

Anyone who donated to the "What we left behind" DS9 documentary. Tonight at 6pm PST they will be emailing backers a unique code and link to view the film for the next 99 hours. It's only for 99 hours because of legalities with the theatrical release in theaters in two weeks. If you do want to see it in the theater, I recommend you get tickets asap. 2 of my local theaters are already sold out. At then end of the theatrical release they will release details of when they will be shipping DVDs and blu-ray, along with the other perks.