The Star Trek Thread, V5.0

[Philo-Publius]

I thought the opening Kelvin sequence was the strongest part of the jjverse films. The story telling afterwards wasn't very good. I'm still confused how Kirk went from a cadet to captain

I agree with that. They expedited it for the sake of getting Kirk into the Captain's seat. I would further argue that it didn't make sense because JJverse Kirk was a complete screw up on top of the expedited timeline. Chris Pine was also the worst casting choice among the main characters in that movie. There were a few things that were done right though.

 

[sverre054]

That death scene was a cheap imitation. I also wasn't a fan of Cumberbatch as Khan.

It was bad, because you knew there was no way Kirk is going to be killed. In wrath of khan, Spock was dead, and Nimoy had them put it in his contract that he is killed. Then of course TWOK is a huge success, and Nimoy had Paramount by the balls, to bring Spock back. He got a huge raise, producer credits,(Shriner also got both of those, due to favored son clauses the two had), and became Director of the next few film, setting off a nice directorial career for himself.

 

[sverre054]

I agree with that. They expedited it for the sake of getting Kirk into the Captain's seat. I would further argue that it didn't make sense because JJverse Kirk was a complete screw up on top of the expedited timeline. Chris Pine was also the worst casting choice among the main characters in that movie. There were a few things that were done right though.

I was actually kinda looking forward to the proposed 4th Kelvin timeline movie. It was suppose to be Kirk and his dead father, AKA Thor, somehow teaming up.

I will be curious to see what crew Tarantino uses for his film.

 

[sverre054]

Really looking forward to reading this. They have already done excelletn ones on Kirk and Picard. It is written as an Autobiography, in the voice of the character. They are written by David A. Goodman who has been a writer and Executive producer on Enterprise, Family Guy, American Dad, and The Orville. He is a star trek encyclopedia, nd has written some great trek books in addition to his TV work. I hope they eo the other captains, in paticular Archer, because his story goes on establishing the Federation.

 

[JonesBones]

Anyone watch For the Love of Spock? A documentary on Nimoy by his son. A few years old. There is also a fuckin George Takei documentary which I won't watch. Anyway, this Spock one is good. I knew a lot of the backstory already.

Spock said Shatner helped form the character of Spock. The actor who played Pike was basically an introvert or an "internalized" actor as Nimoy put it I think. Which isn't a bad thing itself but it made Spock's character more lively and less Stoic to compensate for Pike's lack of vitality. Only when Shatner came around with his energy and over the topness could Spock take a step back and be the Spock we know. It was brilliant chemistry.

One thing that fuckin annoyed me. That Sheldon character from The Big Bang Theory was on there and said his character is based on Spock. I can honestly say I have never seen a full episode of that show but I have an idea what that character is like and he is nothing like Spock. Spock was humble. Cool under pressure. I actually think part of his appeal is pet like. He doesn't judge you. He isn't interested in petty human affairs and he is loyal. Which is the opposite of that judgmental douche on Big Bang.

 

[sverre054]

Anyone watch For the Love of Spock? A documentary on Nimoy by his son. A few years old. There is also a fuckin George Takei documentary which I won't watch. Anyway, this Spock one is good. I knew a lot of the backstory already.

Spock said Shatner helped form the character of Spock. The actor who played Pike was basically an introvert or an "internalized" actor as Nimoy put it I think. Which isn't a bad thing itself but it made Spock's character more lively and less Stoic to compensate for Pike's lack of vitality. Only when Shatner came around with his energy and over the topness could Spock take a step back and be the Spock we know. It was brilliant chemistry.

One thing that fuckin annoyed me. That Sheldon character from The Big Bang Theory was on there and said his character is based on Spock. I can honestly say I have never seen a full episode of that show but I have an idea what that character is like and he is nothing like Spock. Spock was humble. Cool under pressure. I actually think part of his appeal is pet like. He doesn't judge you. He isn't interested in petty human affairs and he is loyal. Which is the opposite of that judgmental douche on Big Bang.

Yeah that film was a great tribute to his father. I always felt his performance as Spock were great, becuaee he understood, that Spock was actually a very emotional person. He strives his whole life, to be more Vulcan, and master his emotions.

The Takei movie is OK. It's more about his life being in the Japanese internment camps, and how that affected him through his life.

 

[sverre054]

Interview from Tarantino today, regarding his trek film.


I feel like I have to ask this even though I don’t know if you’ll want to answer. But are you going to make a Star Trek movie? Is there any truth to that?

It’s a very big possibility. I haven’t been dealing with those guys for a while cause I’ve been making my movie. But we’ve talked about a story and a script. The script has been written and when I emerge my head like Punxsutawney Phil, post-Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, we’ll pick up talking about it again.

 

[JonesBones]

Yeah that film was a great tribute to his father. I always felt his performance as Spock were great, becuaee he understood, that Spock was actually a very emotional person. He strives his whole life, to be more Vulcan, and master his emotions.

The Takei movie is OK. It's more about his life being in the Japanese internment camps, and how that affected him through his life.

Takei was in an internment camp? I had no idea. He never mentions it. Lol. He's been beating on that drum his whole life. He's been hating on Shatner for more than 50 years too .lol .As Shatner said, let it go . Whatever I did to you 50 years I go apologize . Lol.

 

[sverre054]

Takei was in an internment camp? I had no idea. He never mentions it. Lol. He's been beating on that drum his whole life. He's been hating on Shatner for more than 50 years too .lol .As Shatner said, let it go . Whatever I did to you 50 years I go apologize . Lol.

It's pretty crazy how many people aren't aware about what happened to the Japanese Americans, but yeah he does drone on about. I became a big fan of George, when he joined the Howard Stern show. Them messing with him, and he being a good sport about it. I actually just listened to the but, where Artie Lange, came out to George in secret. Artie felt so bad, because how nice George was, that he had to call Howard at home, and tell him not to go through with the bit.

 

[JDragon]

I have one big fear about the Picard series: that it doesn't show us how the Trek universe has evolved and just focuses on some adventure Picard has to solve.

 

[sverre054]

I have one big fear about the Picard series: that it doesn't show us how the Trek universe has evolved and just focuses on some adventure Picard has to solve.

Yeah, but they would be crazy to ignore all that time. Who knows depending on its success you could see the Titan show, or captain Worf, ect.

 

[sverre054]

Possible plot and background for Picard series
https://screenrant.com/star-trek-picard-series-spock-romulan-theory/

The unnamed Star Trek series starring Jean-Luc Picard may have a surprising connection to another iconic character - Spock. The highly anticipated return of Patrick Stewart - one of many new Star Trek series CBS has in development, along with the third season of Star Trek: Discovery - to the franchise that made him a household name is just now beginning production, and we still know next to nothing about the show's plot, other than it will take place about 20 years after Picard's last onscreen appearance in Star Trek: Nemesis, and that Picard will be a much-changed man with a new supporting cast. We also know the dissolution of the Romulan Empire will play a central role in the show's story.

The bit about the Romulans - shared by series co-creator and current Star Trek overlord Alex Kurtzman - is intriguing for several reasons. The most obvious is that this is the first confirmation that the events of J.J. Abrams' first 2009 reboot film will be acknowledged in the Prime universe. Those movies take place in an alternate reality - dubbed the Kelvin timeline - which was created when Spock and a Romulan mining ship, the Narada, were pulled through a black hole from the late 24th century back into the early 23rd century. Spock had been attempting to neutralize a supernova that threatened all life in the galaxy, but it destroyed Romulus before he could intervene.

THE PROMISE OF REUNIFICATION IN STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION

Jean-Luc Picard has some surprisingly strong ties to Spock, certainly for the star of Star Trek: The Next Generation, which took place roughly a century after Star Trek: The Original Series. Picard's first onscreen brush with the legendary Vulcan came in TNG season 3 episode "Sarek," where Picard and the crew of the Enterprise-D encountered the titular Vulcan ambassador, who is, of course, Spock's father. Sarek was tasked with one last vital diplomatic mission before his retirement, but it soon became apparent he was not well. It was eventually revealed he was suffering from Bendii Syndrome, a sort of Vulcan dementia that leaves the sufferer prone to emotional outbursts and a lack of self-control. In an effort to temporarily alleviate the symptoms so Sarek could complete his mission, he and Picard shared a mind meld, with Picard taking on Sarek's overwhelming emotional pain for a few hours, and gaining a deep understanding of the man's mind and heart.


Sarek and Picard would not cross paths again until season 5's "Unification," a two-part episode where it was feared Spock - long the Federation's ambassador to Romulus - had defected to the Romulans. Spock, of course, had not defected, but had joined an underground movement on Romulus to reunite the cousin races of the Vulcans and Romulans. Spock and Picard were natural allies, with Spock even complimenting Picard's Vulcan-like demeanor. Picard was tasked with informing Spock that Sarek had died; the pair eventually shared a mind meld, something Sarek and Spock never did, so that Spock could experience the pride and love his father always felt for him.

There were allusions to Spock's underground activities for the rest of TNG's run, though he wouldn't be seen onscreen again until the 2009 film. We never learned if Spock's efforts were successful, though there was some reason for optimism between the Federation and the Romulans by the end of the last Prime universe story, Star Trek: Nemesis.

WHAT IS AMBASSADOR PICARD'S MISSION?

The last time we saw Jean-Luc Picard, he was still captain of the Enterprise-E, with old friends like chief engineer Geordi LaForge and Klingon warrior Worf by his side. But Stewart himself has suggested Picard is likely no longer a Starfleet captain, which would make a certain amount of sense; Picard was one of Starfleet's most decorated officers and was probably nearing an inevitable promotion around the time of Nemesis.


There's no official confirmation of what Picard's next job was, but both canonical and non-canonical stories have suggested he'd eventually become the Federation's ambassador to Vulcan. It's not hard to imagine Ambassadors Picard and Spock working hand in hand to broker peace between the two planets, and how devastated Romulus' destruction would have left Picard, not to mention Spock's "death" - we know Spock actually just got shunted into the Kelvin timeline, but to everyone in the Prime universe it would be apparent that he sacrificed himself saving the galaxy.

This would leave Picard, in the twilight of his life, with one final mission: find a home for his once sworn enemies, who are now intergalactic refugees with few allies or worlds willing to take them in. Spock devoted the majority of his life to the cause, and that may be enough to galvanize Picard and to take matters into his own hands instead of relying on the lukewarm bureaucracy of the Federation.
ewart's The Next Generation was just as politically motivated, dealing with issues of social justice and civil liberty in more thoughtful ways than the '60s swashbuckling adventurism of The Original Series. When Star Trek is at its best, it has something to say about the world around us through clever, universal themes. One of the many inescapable realities of 2019 is the escalating immigration crises both along the American border with Mexico, and in Europe with Syrian war refugees. Stewart himself is an outspoken critic of the hardline policies that are making it harder for immigrants and refugees to find safe harbor in countries that were ironically built on the backs of generations of immigrants, and it's easy to imagine him finding the notion of the Romulans as a stand-in for those real-world issues to be an opportunity he couldn't turn down. Picard attempting to save the Romulans, perhaps the mostly boring, cartoonishly evil alien race of The Next Generation era who greeted him with nothing but enmity, would be a fitting swan song for the man who may be Star Trek's most empathetic, thoughtful character.

The Picard series doesn't necessarily need all of this backstory. The notion of Patrick Stewart putting on his spacesuit and telling people to "make it so" is likely enough to cause a spike in CBS All Access subscribers when the show debuts. But it's appropriate that such a monumental return would not only tie into the franchise's deepest roots, but would also address real-world strife with the humanity and hopefulness that only Star Trek can deliver, and that message has never had a more effective disciple than Jean-Luc Picard

 

[The Diplomat]

I am on 3rd season of DS9.

It's sooooo good. A totally different show than TOS and TNG. Other than Nimoy, Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner, the acting* is on a whole other level compared to them.

Much darker, more comedic tone. Realistic portrayals of different people in space. References to something that happened last episode, instead of two seasons ago. And Sisko hasn't even gotten bald yet! Good stuff.


*So. Up to this point, Avery Brooks/Sisko, has been utterly horrible. And Major Kira isn't much better.

For some reason, Sisko seems either really stoned or half asleep during most moments. Even very important, serious moments, hell just kinda casually and sleepily give his lines. But then the dramatic or active scenes, he'll overact and scream at the wrong moments. And this is a Shakespearean actor. But I heard he gets better, much like Riker with the beard.

Also, Quark is amazing. Garek is entertaining until he's found to be a pathological liar, exiled from Cardassia. Dax is sexy funny. Also liked her in Becker. Bashir is like an Indian Quagmire. Odo is acted very well, but his gloomy "woe is me" stuff gets old.

Edit - Why Quark is so great? The last line on my Netflix

"You should take my brother Rom. He only has a son to think about. Me? I have a business."

I think this is around 96 maybe, so the edgier stuff was starting to creep in on network tv. The Monday night Wars in wrestling are just kicking off.

 

[sverre054]

I am on 3rd season of DS9.

It's sooooo good. A totally different show than TOS and TNG. Other than Nimoy, Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner, the acting* is on a whole other level compared to them.

Much darker, more comedic tone. Realistic portrayals of different people in space. References to something that happened last episode, instead of two seasons ago. And Sisko hasn't even gotten bald yet! Good stuff.


*So. Up to this point, Avery Brooks/Sisko, has been utterly horrible. And Major Kira isn't much better.

For some reason, Sisko seems either really stoned or half asleep during most moments. Even very important, serious moments, hell just kinda casually and sleepily give his lines. But then the dramatic or active scenes, he'll overact and scream at the wrong moments. And this is a Shakespearean actor. But I heard he gets better, much like Riker with the beard.

Also, Quark is amazing. Garek is entertaining until he's found to be a pathological liar, exiled from Cardassia. Dax is sexy funny. Also liked her in Becker. Bashir is like an Indian Quagmire. Odo is acted very well, but his gloomy "woe is me" stuff gets old.

Edit - Why Quark is so great? The last line on my Netflix

"You should take my brother Rom. He only has a son to think about. Me? I have a business."

I think this is around 96 maybe, so the edgier stuff was starting to creep in on network tv. The Monday night Wars in wrestling are just kicking off.

DS9 was great, because they allowed the secondary characters, to shine. You were invested in the lives of Quark, Rom, Nog, Garek, Kai Winn, Damar, Dukat, ect.....

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

Still rewatching Voyager.

Love the one where The Doctor cures his creator Dr Zimmerman at Jupiter Station.
Or the one where they are in a void and need to work with other ships to escape.
Did you know that young Q2 is actually the real son of the main Q in real life ?

 

[sverre054]

Still rewatching Voyager.

Love the one where The Doctor cures his creator Dr Zimmerman at Jupiter Station.
Or the one where they are in a void and need to work with other ships to escape.
Did you know that young Q2 is actually the real son of the main Q in real life ?

Yup, he's now a foreign diplomat for the USA.

 

[Philo-Publius]

Star Trek has always been super progressive.

"Super progressive" has always been a relative term though.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I hope when Tarnantino makes his Trek movie, he decided to use Picard in his Yesterdays Enterprise movie.

I hope he doesn't make his ST movie

 

[sverre054]

Cbs hires a new VP of global development for Star trek


https://deadline.com/2019/05/star-t...franchise-group-expand-brand-fans-1202608011/

With an eye toward broadening the Star Trek fan community, CBS Television Studios has launched a new global franchise group that will manage and maximize the expansion of the iconic brand. Headed by Veronica Hart, EVP, Star Trek Global Franchise Management, the group will be based out of Alex Kurtzman’s Secret Hideout Productions in Santa Monica, and will be tasked with expanding the brand beyond linear broadcasting and streaming. Kurtzman is shepherding the Star Trek franchise and executive produces several Star Trek series as part of his overall deal at the Studio. The unit reports to David Stapf, President of CBS TV Studios.


Hart will manage the Star Trek global brand strategy to support the content development plans being developed within CBS and under the stewardship of Kurtzman.

The unit’s goal is to broaden the Star Trek fan community through additional branding opportunities, such as podcasts, a reinvigorated StarTrek.com and new digital spaces, consumer products and gaming, as well as live experiential events and global attractions. These are all designed to complement the Studio’s expansion of the Star Trek universe, which now includes two live-action series, two animated projects and multiple “shorts.”

The growing Star Trek universe for television includes a new animated Trek series from writers Kevin and Dan Hageman for Nickelodeon; Star Trek: Discovery and Star Trek: Short Treks, a series of short stories tied to Discovery and the overall Star Trek universe; the new untitled Star Trek series featuring Sir Patrick Stewart reprising his iconic role as Jean-Luc Picard; Star Trek: Lower Decks from Mike McMahan (Rick and Morty), an animated series targeted at mature audiences; and a new Star Trek project based on “Section 31,” which is in development with Michelle Yeoh attached to star. With the exception of the new Nickelodeon edition, the series are presented on CBS’ streaming service, CBS All Access, in the U.S.

In addition to Hart, the franchise team includes: John Van Citters, VP, Star Trek Brand Development, who will work within CBS and across the industry as brand experts while leading the implementation of initiatives and programs; Yasmin Elachi, Director of Star Trek Content, in charge of creating, relaunching and maintaining the new StarTrek.com along with overseeing all aspects of Star Trek social media; and Gabrielle Oliff, Director of Global Franchise Management Operations, who will focus on executing franchise initiatives and managing the review analytics and preparing presentations for cross-company communication.


“Veronica and her team are not only gifted brand strategists and veteran consumer products executives, they are also experts on the Star Trek canon,” said Stapf. “We are excited to launch this new business unit because the brand has an enormously rabid fan base, and we look forward to expanding its reach even further.”

“As we expand the Trekverse, Veronica’s team and Secret Hideout are dedicated to broadening ‘Star Trek’s’ brand reach by amplifying its core values globally: empowerment, inclusion, imagination, and above all, the exceptional storytelling that’s inspired generations of fans,” said Alex Kurtzman

 

[JDragon]

Not sure if adding overhead is what we need. I would be content with someone who understands why Star Trek became popular and why it continues to perform well even if the product is not what fans expect. We need products exclusively for the hard core base or the base will erode to become like all others.