The Star Trek Thread, V5.0

[sverre054]

I heard it's very sjwish. I was going to ask if the show got better because i'd like to begin watching a space show other than the orville, but was let down when i heard that.

There's a bunch of hearsay around Discovery, spread by alot of people who never watched it, or only watched the first free episode. The show starts off kinda odd and totally different, but all becomes pretty good by episode 4. Its the best first season of any trek series.

 

[sverre054]

Detail: additional animated series appears ''kids-focused".

Kurtzman today said, the lower decks animated series will be adult leaning, but not Rick and Morty in trek. The other animated series he just announced will be geared towards younger people.

 

[JDragon]

Kurtzman today said, the lower decks animated series will be adult leaning, but not Rick and Morty in trek. The other animated series he just announced will be geared towards younger people.

It doesn't have to be a bad thing. I watched like the first two seasons of Clone Wars and enjoyed it.

 

[JDragon]

Noooo

https://comicbook.com/movies/2019/01/10/star-trek-4-john-cho-optimistic/

 

[GtehMVP]

I heard it's very sjwish. I was going to ask if the show got better because i'd like to begin watching a space show other than the orville, but was let down when i heard that.

The problem with the show isn't SJW-ish stuff. Star Trek has always been pretty progressive, the problem is the Michael character. The name is terrible, always jarring, and her acting is spotty at best. The show focuses way too much on her too. I think that hurt the show more than anything, as Star Trek has always been more of an ensemble cast. Making her Spock's never heard of half sister is retarded. She's constantly raved about, which gives a Mary Sue vibe, but there's a good explanation for her character being so valued by the Captain, def the highlight of the season, which I won't spoil.

I loved the Captain btw (Jason Isaacs, cool arc), and her former Captain's counterpart. I don't want to spoil anything, but I always like Michelle Yeoh's accent. She reminds me of a character we'd see in TOS movies. Saru and the redhead are great characters as well.

There's a cool build up as the season progresses, and some cool moments long the way, but I found the ending anticlimactic. It's still worth the watch though. Every Star Trek has been awful in its first season, so this measures up well in that regard. The production values are off the charts too.

With Les Moonves out of CBS, I'm hoping we'll see some positive changes in Discovery and future Star Trek. I'm pretty excited to see Anson Mount cast as Captain Pike for season 2.

The upcoming Picard post Next Gen series sounds interesting too. Stewart is said to have some pull on its direction. He knows his audience, so I'm very hopeful it will be excellent!

 

[JDragon]

The problem with the show isn't SJW-ish stuff. Star Trek has always been pretty progressive, the problem is the Michael character. The name is terrible, always jarring, and her acting is spotty at best. The show focuses way too much on her too. I think that hurt the show more than anything, as Star Trek has always been more of an ensemble cast. Making her Spock's never heard of half sister is retarded. She's constantly raved about, which gives a Mary Sue vibe, but there's a good explanation for her character being so valued by the Captain, def the highlight of the season, which I won't spoil.

I loved the Captain btw (Jason Isaacs, cool arc), and her former Captain's counterpart. I don't want to spoil anything, but I always like Michelle Yeoh's accent. She reminds me of a character we'd see in TOS movies. Saru and the redhead are great characters as well.

There's a cool build up as the season progresses, and some cool moments long the way, but I found the ending anticlimactic. It's still worth the watch though. Every Star Trek has been awful in its first season, so this measures up well in that regard. The production values are off the charts too.

With Les Moonves out of CBS, I'm hoping we'll see some positive changes in Discovery and future Star Trek. I'm pretty excited to see Anson Mount cast as Captain Pike for season 2.

The upcoming Picard post Next Gen series sounds interesting too. Stewart is said to have some pull on its direction. He knows his audience, so I'm very hopeful it will be excellent!

I agree with everything you write except the bolded part. We have a precendent with Sybok and this will be focus of Season 2, so I think the jury is still out on that.

 

[GtehMVP]

I agree with everything you write except the bolded part. We have a precendent with Sybok and this will be focus of Season 2, so I think the jury is still out on that.

Sybok was awesome. Everyone hates on Star Trek 5, but I loved it. I hope he's in season 2. Still though, I really dislike the half sister thing. At least the guy who played Sarek was solid. What was up with that interstellar mind meld thing though?

 

[JDragon]

Sybok was awesome. Everyone hates on Star Trek 5, but I loved it. I hope he's in season 2. Still though, I really dislike the half sister thing. At least the guy who played Sarek was solid. What was up with that interstellar mind meld thing though?

I found that odd, too. Then again, we don't really know a lot about the effects of mind melds.

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

People calling eachother not a real Star Trek fan.
This thread is serious business.

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

 

[zuul]

I heard it's very sjwish. I was going to ask if the show got better because i'd like to begin watching a space show other than the orville, but was let down when i heard that.

I heard that too and it’s not.

The only thing I found somewhat Irritating was the way that they seemed to want to highlight the gay dudes relationship. That shit should’ve been written in exactly the same way a hetero relationship would’ve been. But, in my opinion, the producers seemed to make a point of it and want the audience to realize that these two dudes were gay and “look how cool this show is for showing it” like this.

It would’ve been way cooler (and honestly, much more progressive) if they hadn’t built it up and just treated it like a completely normal thing.

Otherwise, I thought the first season was awesome and was easily the best first season of a trek show.

 

[sverre054]

I heard that too and it’s not.

The only thing I found somewhat Irritating was the way that they seemed to want to highlight the gay dudes relationship. That shit should’ve been written in exactly the same way a hetero relationship would’ve been. But, in my opinion, the producers seemed to make a point of it and want the audience to realize that these two dudes were gay and “look how cool this show is for showing it” like this.

It would’ve been way cooler (and honestly, much more progressive) if they hadn’t built it up and just treated it like a completely normal thing.

Otherwise, I thought the first season was awesome and was easily the best first season of a trek show.

Yeah most likely because the creator Bryan Fuller is Gay, and the believe the first season show runners were as well. I don't think its overly pushy in the show, but they were defiantly pushing that angle before the show launched.

 

[zuul]

Yeah most likely because the creator Bryan Fuller is Gay, and the believe the first season show runners were as well. I don't think its overly pushy in the show, but they were defiantly pushing that angle before the show launched.

I’m cool with the gayness I just don’t like how they took extra time to make sure that they were to show the dudes have physical contact.

When I kiss my wife and it’s no big deal and I want to see tv shows treat gay relationships in the same nonchalant manner. Drawing attention to their relationship and making certain people are definitely aware of what you are doing seems strange to me.

The gay dudes I know just want to be treated like other people, not have attention drawn to them every time they touch their partners in public. Who knows though, maybe I’m bitching about something others are down with.

Either way, the show is good and we’ll worth watching.

 

[Fatality]

I'm a long time Trek fan but I hate Discovery and the most recent movies. Trek at its best is drama, not action. I also hate the whole diversity/ideology bent they are pushing.

I agree with those saying the main problem with Discovery is the main character. The role is poorly written, the character is off putting and the actress is god awful.

 

[JDragon]

https://trekmovie.com/2019/01/11/ku...-how-michael-burnham-prepared-spock-for-kirk/

Love how Kurtzman is finally doing some media work right now.

 

[Prefect]

I have a group of friends who have been hardcore Star Trek fans since the seventies. Watched every episode of every series, watched every movie, read every book, played every game. They're all around fifty now, and they still get excited when a new Star Trek game comes out. We have discussed Star Trek shows for almost four decades.

The general consensus in that group is that although the new show got off to a rocky start and the new Klingons were awkward looking, it's as solid a first season as we've ever seen and better than most.

The first season of TNG was pretty mediocre. I have gone back to watch it and have wondered what were the writers doing. Sometimes, I wonder if writers should be forced to write a pre-season before the actual season so they are not using the first season as a science experiment.

 

[JDragon]

The first season of TNG was pretty mediocre. I have gone back to watch it and have wondered what were the writers doing. Sometimes, I wonder if writers should be forced to write a pre-season before the actual season so they are not using the first season as a science experiment.

This affects all shows. Even those among the all-time greats such as Buffy had horrible first seasons. I think it is everything: from authors to actors to producers not totally understanding the characters, the actors and their strenghts, and the interaction of both. Unless you have a heavily serialized story and great actors, I think this is inevitable. (Lost IMO had a great first season. Cannot bring myself to watch it again considering the horrendous ending, but the beginning was spectacular.)

 

[Prefect]

This affects all shows. Even those among the all-time greats such as Buffy had horrible first seasons. I think it is everything: from authors to actors to producers not totally understanding the characters, the actors and their strenghts, and the interaction of both. Unless you have a heavily serialized story and great actors, I think this is inevitable. (Lost IMO had a great first season. Cannot bring myself to watch it again considering the horrendous ending, but the beginning was spectacular.)

Not all shows. Firefly was good from day 1. Same with Freaks and Geeks The Wire's first season was its weakest but still very solid. Game of Thrones and True Detective had it all worked out day one. It isn't the rule but it happens.

Here is something I never quite understand. How come the writers and actors don't spend like a million dollars on a play version or a rough shot of the series or a movie before actually shooting it? That isn't a lot of money to get the kinks, flow, and charectors worked out. Like no where else in the world is something put together for production without developing a working prototype. If this had been done with Aquaman, everyone would have noticed a lot needed to be cut out to keep it moving.

 

[JDragon]

More Kurtzman on the Picard show:

https://trekmovie.com/2019/01/12/al...and-ds9-and-why-star-trek-is-his-new-mission/

People will come into [the Picard] show with expectations and we will meet some of them and we will fail in other ways. Because there is no way for everybody to love everything. Part of the beauty of Star Trek is people debate it and have different points of view about it. Very rarely does every Trekkie or Trekker agree on everything and that is sort of the point. It asks its fans to engage in a debate and conversation. Because something is so meaningful to people and has endured for over 50 years, we couldn’t possibly please everybody and that’s okay. But where you really fall short and people get really angry, is if they feel you are somehow disrespecting the franchise or throwing a kind of darkness into a character that they did not feel that way about. If you are mutating the character into something that doesn’t feel like what they love, that’s hard. We are always debating where that line is.

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The writers’ room has broken about eight episodes and we’re moving quickly and I couldn’t be more excited about it.

 

[JDragon]

"Picard's life was radically altered by the dissolution of the Romulan Empire"

Now admittedly I have only seen the 2009 Abrams movie once or twice in its entirety and it's been 8 or 9 years since the last time. I know Romulus has been destroyed, but I wonder if it has ever been made explicit that this is automatically the end of the Romulan Empire?